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Sometimes Toshio is real

posted 18 years ago by kanuffelrik
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I'm not looking for an explanation or anything, but I've noticed that in "Ju-On: The Grudge", "J-O: TG 2" and the American "The Grudge" there are times when Toshio appears as a normal boy, and not the white ghost. For example, the first time Rika sees him in Ju-On, and when Karen first sees him in the grudge. Also, in Ju-On when Rika's friend, the school teacher is at the house "waiting for the parents", Toshio is a normal boy. A few other places as well. Interesting...

[–] kanuffelrik 17 years ago

Anyone else notice this or have any thoughts?

[–] GrudgeBoy89 17 years ago

He's still a ghost. When Toshio is white, that means his spirit is combined with the spirit of a black cat.

[–] JeffL1965 17 years ago

OK, I agree he's a ghost, but why the cat? Is it his obsession with cats? And if he didn't die the same as the others, is that why he still has a human form? And as I said in another post (and so did someone else) what about Rika? Is she prevented from returning or is there another reason she's gone and Toshio isn't? Much to ponder.

[–] trovster 16 years ago

There are some flashbacks in both Ju-On: The Grudge 1 & 2 (I can't remember the American versions), and in these parts Toshio is alive. Such as in Ju-On: The Grudge 2, he appears in the dining room, behind where the horror actress is sitting. She doesn't interact with him, but it's a portal back to when he was alive.

[–] SherlockVonEinstein 8 years ago

Well, it's established firmly in this installment that the curse can cause the affected to shift back in forth through time. Perhaps that's what's happening?