This had potential to be a really good movie.


Unlike many others I didn't think this movie was terrible. I actually did enjoy the movie and I would say it was solidly ok, but quite a few things held it back from greatness.

I'll start with what I consider the major issues and then address the minor ones.

1. Shia Lebouf, no surprise there for many I am sure. He was just terrible. His acting sucked, he was annoying, and he had zero charisma in comparison to his very charismatic on screen father. He was also very hard to take serious a tough guy greaser. A different actor would've made all the difference in the world

2.Ox, Every time this blithering old buffoon was on screen I kept longing for the wise and charismatic Henry Jones Sr. to be on the adventure instead. Especially at the end after the saucer flew off Indy calls Mutt Jr. and they all laugh and he said "somewhere out there your Grandfather is laughing" He should have been right there with all of them laughing for the love of God! They even started playing music from The Last Crusade. IN fact Sean Connery was willing to comeback as Henry Sr. if he they gave his character a significant role. Instead they just wanted to give him a cameo. Bad move!

3. Col. Spalko, She just came off as a silly over the top caricature and was hard to take serious. She also didn't come across as a very formidable adversary for Indy compared with the main antagonists of previous films such as Beloq, Donavon, and Mola Rom. She had nothing on those guys. Indy straight up laughs in her face in once scene

4. Mac, He was so buffoonish and annoying. They should've just brought back Sallah

Those what I thought were the main issues, and the movie would've been better off if the bottom 3 characters were replaced, and a better actor for the role of Mutt. Next I will address the minor issues I thought were pretty stupid and unnecessary

1. CGI prairie dogs

2. Mutt swinging on vines with monkeys

3.The quick sand scene where Mutt saves them with the rat snake. That scene only existed so Mary could telly Indy mutt was his son. They quickly get captured again only to escape the Russians a second time.

4. When Indy falls off the motorcycle and slides through the library right under the desk of one of his students, and the student is totally not phased then proceeds to casually ask a question. It was so ridiculous I actually burst out into laughter the first time I saw it

5. Old man Indy remarks from Shia Lebouf. Yes we get it! he's not that young anymore, but he looks good for his age and can obviously still kick ass

6. Very forced 1950's references. They really want you to be aware this movie is set in the 1950's. "I like Ike" has to be the worst. Why would he possibly say that when the Russians had him cornered? Maybe just to remind everyone this is in fact the 50's. You ain't nothing but a hound dog by Elvis Presley is on the radio while they drive to the top secret government storage facility. The fight in the cafe someone yells out "get that greaser" and Shake rattle and role starts playing. During the quicksand rescue scene there is a reference to buying a rope at Sears and Roebuck. Yes we get it back in the 1950's Sears was called Sears and Roebuck. Before Indy jumps in the lead lined fridge Howdy Doody Time is playing on television! IS this suppose to be in the 1950's or something, because I would have never guessed!

7. After Indy and Marion elope, wind blows Indy's hat right in front of Mutt"s feet and the classic Indy score starts playing. Mutt is about to adorn the hat before Indy grabs it right from his unworthy hands. That was one moment my heart sunk to my balls. Tease me with anything else except Shia Lebouf as the new Indiana Jones. Tell me my house burned down, and all my money was stolen, but teasing me with Shia as the new Indy is just a bit too cruel and usual.


8. The nuclear fridge scene. I'm honestly mixed on this one. Realistically Indy had little to no chance of survival, but it was just such an awesome scene that I'm willing to over look that

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You make some notable points.

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Very well stated. Here is my take:

1. I thought that the whole point was for Mutt to be a punk, not some young stud rebel. Otherwise, he would living in the shadow of father, Indy, which he could never outdo except become a man in his own light.

2. He was kind of a third wheel, only there to make the other characters look better in comparison. I can only assume he is in the film to act as fold for the others to bounce their personalities off of. Did not know about the Sean Connery fact. Wow, missed opportunity but you just know he would have been asking for a major salary for a major role, always career-minded.

3. It's possible that the filmmakers had her deliberately as a more restrained villainess to demonstrate how Indy has been there, done that, acknowledging his famous reputation and bold charisma to not give a crap. It didn't help that Indy 4 was aware of needing to tone down the Soviet antagonists, eager to not further upset discontent already present within the Russian market after the nation's active Communist Party boycotted the film in protest. If this film was made today, given growing animosity between the United States and Russia, it would either be better received to pull punches or worse for inciting hostilities.

a) Agreed. Funny though takes viewers out of immersion.
b) Same reasons above. Meant to show Mutt's maturity but no pay off.
c) Done for the sake of creating continuity with the original trilogy with throw-backs to nostalgia.
d) Done to blend the distinction between Dr. Jones, college professor, and Indy Jones, adventure seeker.
e) Probably for young newbies not familiar with Jones should they watch this film first for some reason.
f) Nothing to add. Spot-on. Though great intro for those not familiar with any of this. They exist. They really do.
g) Thank you! Mutt did not do enough to earn my respect for such a pivotal scene, even though he didn't wear the hat.
h) Unbelievable the first time I saw it! I expect such antics from Star Wars. It's cool now.

~~/o/

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There was something about the whole film that was off. They wanted to recapture the magic of the first 3 so bad, but ultimately crashed and burned by trying to be too ambitious. That is what felt off about it to me. It's almost like getting together with some old friends, and going out to do all the things you loved doing together so much, but years have passed, everyone's lives have changed, and the whole thing feels focred and unnatural.

It was an ok film, and I wasn't bored watching it, some very good action scenes, and Harrrison Ford delivered. There was a tad of magic in the scenes with him and Karen Allen. I pretty much agree with everything on your list here that held this back from greatness, but ultimately it just couldn't recapture the magic of the original 3. That was it's biggest problem.

I definitely agree not bringing Sean Connery was a terrible idea. I never knew he was down to return. Not bringing him back was a bad move to say the least. I say they were being cheap. Paramount is willing to spend over $100 million to make a movie, but didn't wanna pay Connery what he wanted was probably the case here. Having Connery in this would have brought back more of that magic to.

You made a very good point about the main characters, especially the antagonists. This movie suffered from weak antagonists. In previous Indy films you have the main villian who is driven, calculated, and challenges Indy on an intellectual level, and you have right hand man who is a scary, intimidating, monster. In the case of Temple of doom Mola Rom was just a scary and intimidating as his monstrous right hand man. In Raider's Beloq was every bit Indy's inellectual equal, and the right hand man Todt was creepy as hell. In Crusade Donavan played the role of the intellectual, and the nazi commander Vogel played the role of the intimidating right hand man. In Krystal you get silly and foolish Col Spalko, and a Russian commander by her side who came off as just a generic big and mean brute

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This movie was SHIT. accept that fact and everything will be fine.

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A very substantial chunk of it was shit

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Regarding Connery.. he would only have been about 76/77 when filming - younger than Ford will be when he does Indy 5!

It was kind of wrong to kill him off screen anyway when Connery was still alive and kicking.. at least have them thinking he's dead or missing presumed dead then he turns up near the end.. or a fun cameo right at the end with the wedding like the last scene of the Costner Robin Hood (thats probably why they wanted him to do)

Maybe they plan to use him in Indy 5 for a CG deaged flashback scene

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The problems all stem from the script. Frank Darabont wrote a good script which did not feature ‘Mutt’ and had that element that secretly makes Indy movies great - horror. But Lucas vetoed it in favour of the terrible David Koepp script we ended up with.

Crystal Skull has no horror or menace, other than possibly the red ants. The humour falls flat, especially the ‘gag’ with Marcus’ statue head, and there’s no class or elegance to the script. Compare it to the perfectly structured Last Crusade script with its endlessly inventive ideas, brilliant dialogue, great characters and fluid pacing.

Then there’s the weird direction where everything looks fake, like it’s all CGI or something, and the stunts seldom feel real. Right from the weird prairie dog opening the film feels ‘off’ and never brings the audience with it. Again, compare to the perfect young-Indy opening of Last Crusade. It’s just amazing that the same creative team can make such a balls-up. I get the impression that Lucas either knowingly or unknowingly sabotaged this project and Spielberg held his nose and just got it finished so he could move on.

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Ox was OK, if you want to see a buffoon just watch Connery and Marcus in Last Crusade.

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