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Did Picasso paint Modigilani for the competition??


Is that true and if not what did Picasso paint. Also, I can't find a painting by Madigilani with Jeane in a blue dress

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I just recently watched the movie, and have asked myself the very same questions... Since I've now gone through every internet site there is(well, more or less!), I can only conclude that the paintings in the film are made FOR the film, since the painting that most claim to be Modi's last, is of Jeanne, but is quite different from the one in the film.
Also, I can't seem to find a single web page with Maurice Utrillo's "Madness"(which I thought to be beautiful, albeit a bit discomforting), nor Picasso's "Modigliani". But I have found a painting by Mod, of Picasso.
http://www.abcgallery.com/M/modigliani/modigliani29.html
As for the last painting of Jeanne, it ought to be "Jeanne with door in the background", to be found among others at:
http://www.intofineart.com/md01.htm
I do however want to know if any serious art student(or some such) could tell me whether or not I'm wrong, as I would love to find copies of both Utrillo's "Madness"(should it exist...all I can find are nice but slightly boring paintings of Paris), and the last painting in the movie. I love Modigliani's(real?) work, but no matter if the last paitning is real or not, I found it beautiful! ;o)

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The Utrillo painting never existed. It was created for the story/movie. The painting of Jeanne doesn't exist, it too was created for the story/movie. Hope that helps you.

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does anyone know if the painting of the woman wrapped in a mexican flag inside a cage supposedly by diego rivera, exist either?

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im sure i'm biased since i'm mexican/spaniard... but i really felt that painting from Rivera, i think the title was "Mexico" in the film... i'd also like to know if it exists

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The Rivera painting was made for the film. Does not exist and was not even close to Rivera's style. He was still finding his style during his stay in Paris and even dabbled in cubism in the process prior to returning to Mexico.

He also did not embrace "Mexicanismo"in his painting until much later when he returned to Mexico nor did he embrace it enough to wear a zarape and a straw somebrero as portrayed in the film. If you notice Frida Kahlo appears paripherally in the film but Rivera did not meet Frida until years later and they never traveled to Paris together.

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It's true what festivejane said, but i find funny that the women with the mexico flag seems to me the painter Frida Kahlo, Diego Rivera's wife (not in that time).

But the paint of Modigliani by Picasso was also invented for the movie, or it will appear in every book of modern art.

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there is a disclaimer at the beginning of the film that clearly states all of the works included are not real, but were created for the movie.

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In the credits it gives the names of the guys who actually did the paintings. In the film they looked like reasonable pastiches of the Modigliani's and Picasso's styles, though they wouldn't stand close scrutiny.

There is a long and mixed tradition of creating paintings for movies, these are at the quality end of the scale IMHO

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Im highly doubtfull that the competition in the movie ever took place.

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i am a masters student of art history and this era is my primary focus. the movie was fun, but at best, mildly dancing near truths. it is true that jeanne hebuturne threw herself out the window just days after modi's death while she was pregnant. it is true that he died young and penniless from a litany of problems including t.b. it is also true that he had a tumultuous relationship with picasso, but at that specific time, rivera had an equally large rift away from picasso.

as for an earlier statement, rivera didn't just dabble in cubism, he was considered quite formidable in the style. easily considered a top 5 cubist by most. and, he had played just a little bit by that time with mexican nationalism, however, it wouldn't develop until after his return to mexico in the early 1920's.

another little interesting note... rivera and modigliani were known to be as close as the movie portrays his modi's friendship with utrillo and soutine. rivera and modigliani were known to stir up quite the ruckus at bars and coffee shops around montparnasse during this time.


this is the image of modigliani i've seen most throughout my studies...
http://www.peoples.ru/art/painter/modigliani/modigliani_1.jpg


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Thank you for your knowledge. =)

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all these answers thanks to the curiosity and perspicacity of some spectators prove that this film is an insult to our intelligence. what a difference with the famous Gerard Phillippe portraying Modigliani

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They showed a disclaimer at the start of the version I saw, which was on IFC, which stated that the paintings were not real and most of the action was fictitious too.

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I'm a painter---no, not a prestidigitator of computerized makeshifts--a painter in the immemorial tradition of using hands and body to communicate.

Can people tell the difference?

If they're not recoiling at the images paraded on film as masterpieces of Modi, Picasso et alia.., perhaps not!

The paintings at the beginning of the film, while clearly not the real things, were clever, semi-computerized pastiches...I thought: 'I've seen worse in films.'

Worse was coming.

The portrait of Jeanne that shows her eyes (after he'd 'seen her soul') was as if in the film 'Amadeus' we were given an excerpt of Paul MacCartney's Liverpool oratorio, or worse, in place of Mozart's requiem.
Or in a film about T. S. Eliot, Shakespeare, Dylan Thomas...having verse pastiches by a Joe Blogs commissioned by the studio passed off as the writer's originals.
We won't accept that; why accept parallel abuses in the visual arts?

The succession of different painters' works at the contest at the end illustrates my point.
(Although the painting crew evidently had fun. The Utrillo 'Madness' was a striking hybrid of photographic and 80's neo-expressionist images--entirely unrelated to Utrillo's art.)




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Okay, it's not often I reply to comments, but this time I have to. You should read your own words and the 'visual' expression within them and you might actually get dizzy and throw up. You sound like a jealous little person. REALLY talented artists don't waste their time with such diatribe as you have scribbled. They're too busy painting! And it's McCartney, not McCarthy (the witch hunter of the 50's, which you sound a little like). You obviously do NOT understand story? It's a story! A movie! Not a documentary! If you are so hurt and affronted by the MOVIE, go buy a camera and make a DOCUMENTARY! Put everything right, then you can sleep at night! You are very transparent, you had to open your nasty little comments with a paragraph about yourself! You narcissistic little twat!


IT'S A MOVIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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My comments came in the heat of having just seen the movie; I little thought they'd ignite BigTam, whose 'own words and the visual expression within them' outrun mine.

On the subject of 'paintings in films', I heard Jack Hazan in a radio interview say that he'd refuse to do a film on a painter if he couldn't use the artist's original work. (Hazan directed 'A Bigger Splash' about David Hockney.) He said the makers of 'Love is the Devil' (about Francis Bacon) were refused permission to use originals by the trustees of Bacon's estate; Julian Schnabel may have had the same problem when he made his film about Basquiat (where Schnabel painted the 'Basqiats' in the film). If my (distant) recollection is right, in Jarman's film about Caravaggio and in the French films about Artemisia Gentileschi and Gericault (Bartabas), the paintings in the films were based on photographic blow-up's of unaltered originals .

It's relevant to say here: one of the occasional joys of cinema of the last few decades has been the inclusion of original artwork in films intended for a large public and not about artists ('Black Widow' and 'Changing Lanes' come to mind).
The art is often contemporary art we'd be unlikely to come across otherwise. Thanks to superior quality of color film and the discrimination of the filmmakers, we get the impact of this art as if it were for a moment a part of our lives, an impact different from that of the documentaries and semi-documentaries of, say, Kenneth Clark or Sacha Guitry, admirable in different ways.

The subject brings up a host of incidental issues, however--more appropriate no doubt for movie board discussion.

In the case of 'Modigliani' I was maybe using a hammer to crack a peanut.

More's the pity, as the male and female leads could have been brilliant in a better film.

The modestly budgeted film with Gerard Philipe as Modigliani shows the inhumanity of greed with simple, raw conviction.

Anyway, now you see, I hope, BigTam, there's no wall that completely divides documentary from movie, not on this issue.

Also, really talented artists--in fact, all artists from no talent to great genius--are generally much given to expressing their opinions. A number of great artists have written or been recorded: the results are unique as testimony and critique. Do you require a list, BigTam, or will you start finding out for yourself?

(thanks for correcting 'McCartney'--sorry Sir Paul)



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I really appreciate and enjoy your postings.... you have great, accurate knowledge on art and you also display graceful manners while attacked by that immature, low-standard poster.
In my own opinion, Modigliani had a very interesting, dramatic life. It was just totally silly for this film to create story lines that were obviously fictitious!

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Without the movie, I would have never known about Modigliani. Movies, about real people, that take liberties on the true story, have it's place as a piece of art all on it's own. Everyone doesn't have to like it. Beauty is still in the eyes of the beholder, and I liked this movie! I loved learning something about an artists I had never heard of and it made me want to know more about his work, and his real life, and I am all the more enlightened. :)

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LOL! Have to agree....

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Theyre all made for the film. Damn thats dissapointing cuz I think the one by rivera is better than anything he ever did

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