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Didn’t Anyone Else Look Into The Father’s Books?


I did after watching this the first time. The most rewarding aspect of the film. Jonathan Baumbach. “Reruns” and “You:Or the Invention of Memory”. Solid books.

Having been finagled into watching this film again by someone who was watching it for the first time I even see more clearly how honestly tormented the father is; and he is the most interesting character! Kids are not that conflicted. The way these kids are portrayed: that’s looking back at memories and seasoning them with adult perceptions. And the scenes outside of the kids; how does the writer know how the father or mother acted, thought or felt? Preposterous. I don’t understand why the father is portrayed as an “elitist” or thought of as such for being able to read a book and understanding it beyond a mundane level. Those are conceits... just like what everyone else on Planet Earth possesses. No difference between Artistic Conceit and forcing your child to watch and love a certain sports team or playing a certain sport; or choosing a certain political party affiliation; or forcing them to pledge their allegiance to a Religion for their entire life before they are too old to think; or making them become a vegetarian or a steak lover; or finding anything artistic requiring more than an reactionary emotional response to be “elitist”.

One kid mimics the father.... like most kids. And that’s the kid’s issue to deal with, and figure out. What every child on Earth goes through: trying to be their own person. Most people never do; and seeing full grown “adults” mimic what they watch on TV or read in the newspaper for how to walk and talk is much more disturbing.

And both kids are angry and confused……like most kids. As if divorced kids have a right to act obnoxiously. They don’t.

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I agree with most of what you say, and I definitely want to check out his books now, that's a good tip, but I feel you are downplaying how tough a divorce can be on a child, and how, them being obnoxious is not so much a right but just them dealing with a situation that has nothing to do with them yet affects them greatly, so therefore, by acting difficult, they are exerting the little power they actually have.

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Did you check them out?

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I'm with you! I thought Bernard was pretty cool overall, though he obviously had his faults like everyone does.

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Well, as far as the father being portrayed as an elitist for reading and analyzing, that's just an outgrowth of society-wide anti-intellectualism which has been growing since World War I. People who value analysis over simply following their intuition are universally (or so very nearly so that a distinction is irrelevant) seen as handicapped in their ability to understand other people or feel emotion. They are always depicted as cold, calculating, and lacking compassion. Even in movies where they are one of the main 'hero' characters, the situation is always the same - their arrogance leads everyone into danger, and the main hero has to 'follow his heart' and bust in with guns blazing to save everyone. Such characters humanity is portrayed as being measured by exactly how far they are willing to go in abandoning reason and embracing unthinking emotion. It's not that these are themes or openly discussed, that would suggest that a discussion was still going on. It's not. The discussion ended decades ago. Intellectualism lost, and the idea that it makes people unfeeling and dangerous to those around them is now the bedrock upon which all popular culture is built. No one questions it any more than they question gravity or the existence of air.

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