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The Village Voice is right: Bernard has an "inherent decency"


I feel like most (but not all) on this board, as well as among critics, are too hard on Bernard (and Noah Baumbach has said this himself). So I really liked this description of him in the Voice (where the alter ego of the Laura Linney character was a film critic):

He's a shamelessly self-pitying, grotesquely competitive, pompous cheapskate—but, as expansively played by Daniels, his comic flaws are complicated by an inherent decency and dogged insistence on artistic seriousness.


So yes: those flaws are there, acknowledged in the same sentence. But he's not a monster. He's not violent, not an abuser, he likes to spend time with his kids and talk to them and play tennis or ping pong with them. He's not wrong in his intellectual pronouncements, that we saw (he's certainly correct about Dickens and Fitzgerald). I would rather have Bernard as a father than 99 percent of the population. (Now, my own dad would be in the other one percent: but he got a Ph.D. from Stanford and liked to play racquetball and ping pong with me, so...)

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I just viewed the film twice, looking for that "decency" and saw nothing redeeming about the Jeff Daniels character. He was a selfish, cheap, opportunistic, narcissist with a strange lack of empathy or compassion for others (even his family), and all of his actions and dialogue during the film supported this. He was at least consistent, and in the end, got what he deserved.

The things that you cited, can still be attributed to selfish, self-serving motives. I think he DID genuinely want his kids, but mainly to reduce child support which he probably would have had to pay. He liked their company for his own selfish amusement and reducing his own loneliness (the movie outing, the adoration/hero worship, the domination in both games and intellect as if adult vs. a child is a fair competition). But otherwise, he completely forgets about his younger son. His broad intellectual pronouncements are basic canned opinions probably learned from his East Coast liberal arts professors, and he doesn't expect or want anyone to challenge him on it. Those that don't appreciate the same opinions or appreciate his high media are dismissed as "Philistines", implying his supposed superiority.

The last act shows the main character (the subject of this autobiographical story) finally seeing his father for the selfish fake failure as a decent human being that he is (sleeping with his student, not really caring about anyone else's feelings or needs, again asserting his adult guardian power "bring me a pillow", "you're a minor" selfishly, and still blaming everyone else but himself for his problems.

His cheapness was perhaps his only funny (charming) characteristic. And I can wee why even that would become annoying.

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The last act shows the main character (the subject of this autobiographical story) finally seeing his father for the selfish fake failure as a decent human being that he is...


But that doesn't really square with the fact that Noah Baumbach:

--himself professes to love and admire his father, and is taken aback by opinions like yours;

--has a close enough relationship with his father that he has shown him everything he has ever written before showing anyone else, with the exception of this screenplay;

--texted his father 30 minutes after he saw the screening of the movie, wondering anxiously why he (the elder Baumbach) hadn't yet given him feedback.

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Bernard asking his son to bring him a pillow was him asserting his adult guardian power? That's a bit of an over exaggeration

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