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Clean hospital beds and humane treatment...


This was a very moving film. I've viewed many films about the Shoah, but I'm confused about something towards the end of the film.

Just when the boy is on the verge of death, naked, and basically marked for death, we next see him being wheeled around on a cart with other dead/nearly dead prisoners (presumably to the crema,) they are all suddenly given a shower and then the next thing we know, the boy is wearing clean clothes, put into an actual bed with clean sheets and a blanket, is treated with kindness and given soup.

How can this be? At first I thought that maybe I had missed something and that the liberation had come, but I know that's wrong. How could he still be in Buchenwald and receive a reprive from certain death like that? Why would the SS take a nearly dead "mussleman" and send him to a clean, sanitary sick bay? it just doesn't make any sense...

Does it explain more about this in the book?

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It wasn't the SS; the liberation had indeed come. The whole thing is shown from the boy's point of view, and he was too weak to be aware of was going on: he was basically just carried around. Remember he had been lying next to a dead boy for two days? _That_ was the German version of the sick ward: nowhere near clean beds.

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I don't think that's right. There was an announcement over the PA system, something about "All SS personnel evacuate the camp!" This was a good deal after the unusually good treatment started.

I think this was supposed to indicate that the Germans knew they had only days left before the cape would be overrun. They were covering their tracks and making it look like conditions had been far better for the prisoners than they really were.

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No, the camp has already been liberated. It was a Polish soldier talking to the boy when he was lying in his clean bed, not a German one - you could actually hear him speaking Polish. One _could_ assume this was a soldier from one of the Nazi-supporting Polish units, but this would be a very far-fetched idea.

Also, I suggest you read the book.

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Had it been liberated? I don't remember that, but now that you mention it, that's probably what happened. Though, I don't think it was a Polish soldier, because he was wearing the same prisoner outfit with the jewish star on it. At least, that's what I remember from the movie, haven't read the book yet.

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The inmate who looks after the boy so well in the "clean" hospital is in fact the Pole who is exposed as a SS guard when they return home at the end of the film.

"You won't need eyes where you're going"

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The camp had not yet been liberated at the beginning of this scene. Remember Gyorgy is woken in the night by the sound of gunfire: he goes to the window, sees people running around outside and the sky lit up from explosions. I'm siding with those who believe the good treatment is due to the realisation that the camp will soon be liberated - or overrun by the enemy, from the guards' point of view. They needed all the goodwill they could get.

Good job recognising the Pole in both scenes walshan! I knew he was familiar but didn't make the connection. That explains the reaction shot between him and Gyuri, it puzzled me at the time. He was hoping Gyorgy would speak up for him and explain that he'd been treated well.

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"Good job recognising the Pole in both scenes walshan!"

Bad job, different persons.

"They needed all the goodwill they could get."

More likely to shoot/burn (alive, like at Gardelegen) the prisoners or just desert and leave them behind.

Also the camps were actually in the worst shape (meaning the worst conditions) nearing the literation, you wouldn't believe Bergen-Belsen (of the Ann Frank fame) was supposed to be light-regime "recovery camp" after seeing the mound of bodies (because the whole camp system broke down and the typhus epydemic happened in the overcrowded camp, killing 35,000 and almost killing the remaining 60,000 - only the Allies had resources (and actually will) to stop this after the takeover).

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No, what I meant is they burned the bodies to kill the bodies.

http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Gardelegen/Massacre.html (for example)

If you meant Bergen-Belsen under the British administration, they used mass graves and bulldozers and the former German guards who later mostly/all died.

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"the Pole who is exposed as a SS guard when they return home at the end of the film"

It was a Hungarian man (speaking perfect Hungarian, returning to Hungary). Towards the end of war many Hungarians were assigned to guard duty (for example at Dachau where they were massacred with the Germans by the Americans).

The Pole didn't speak Hungarian at all (only Polish, some Russian and the campspeak-German).

Also, the boy was moved to an SS hospital. "Waffen-SS" is written on his pillow.

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It's possible the German guards had fled but the Americans not arrived yet and the stronger prisoners were now treating the ill.

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Stop being retarded - "the Polak" who was found out was a Hungarian and a different person.

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It was a Polish inmate.

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I thought I heard, toward the beginning of the movie, inmates talking about Germans giving good treatment to prisoners just before being sent to the crematorium....

Every man has two nations, one of them is France. (B. Franklin)

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Once again: people, read the book. The camp had been liberated by that time.

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I was confused by this scene as well. After re-watching, I don't think the camp had been liberated yet. For one, Gyorgy is taken to the hospital BEFORE the announcement is made over the loud speakers, calling for all S.S. to evacuate. However, there are some other signs as well. If the camp had indeed been liberated, he likely would not have been in the hospital alone with only one other prisoner. The allies brought in teams of medical personnel to treat as many people as possible and if the camp had already been liberated, the hospital would have likely been filled to full capacity, with doctors and nurses running around. The medical personnel would also be speaking English, not Polish, and would be treating his infection instead of just tucking him into bed and bringing him blankets and soup. The medical personnel would also likely have been filling out extensive forms, trying to ID all the prisoners.

What I think most likely happened is Gyorgy was taken to the shower room along with some other prisoners in the final days of the camp's operation. At the point, the S.S. would have been too busy destroying evidence, receiving rapid-fire orders from their superiors (or at least those who hadn't already fled/committed suicide/etc.), making escape plans themselves, and generally running around like chickens with their heads cut off to take any notice of the prisoners. In Auschwitz, the S.S. forced the majority of the prisoners on a death march, leaving behind those who were too weak or sick to participate. An S.S. unit was supposed to go to Auschwitz to kill everyone who had been left behind but things were so chaotic, frenzied and disorganized in the final days before liberation that the orders were never carried out. It's clear that this is near the end and the S.S. have other concerns besides the prisoners.

What confuses me, however, is why Gyorgy was placed on the train from Zeitz to another camp (after his knee had been "treated"), where he is immediately taken to the shower and then a clean bed. I'm not sure camp this is, although I believe it is somewhere in Germany since it was liberated by the Americans. Wherever he was taken, I do not think it had been liberated yet but the guards knew the allies were just hours away. It was likely total chaos, just like it had been in Auschwitz. I think what happened is, in the frenzy, a few kind prisoners decided to look out for Gyorgy, put him in the shower, get him into a clean bed, and hope he would make it to liberation, at which point the allies would take over and get him proper medical treatment.

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I`ve not read the book, but you definitely get the impression that when he`s near death the acts of kindness which save him take place when the camp is still under the control of the SS.

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