When will people move on from this topic? I am not trying to be ignorant, but come on! All you have to do to get an oscar or credit is make a movie about the holocaust. Yes it was tragic and shouldnt be under stated but there are other issues in the world that hollywood should be focused on portraying and spreading knowledge on instead of a motif that has 5 movies a year about.
Personally, with the way Hollywood is going currently, I'd be happy to see a Holocaust film every year, since "House of Wax" and other horrible teen horror flicks are awful. xP
And, I don't know about you, but the last Holocaust film that I saw, if I remember correctly, was Schindler's List. Oh, wait, no, the Pianist. I don't think it has 5 films a year made about it, and even if it does, most don't make the news.
It was genocide, and a terrible topic. Many of the films take different views of the tragedy (business man, pianist, etc.) so there is always a different element to them. This one just happens to be based off a book by a Nobel Laureate. =_= Get over it.
Either way, don't watch it if you don't like movies about the Holocaust. :x The rest of us will keep watching them with a respect for the survivors and for those that were slaughtered. =_=
There are lot more other kind of movies: World War II. movies, Vietnam movies, Gulf war movies. And? Do not watch it, if you hate it. However, Fateless is a very non typical holocaust film, so you complaining at a very inappropriate place.
I really don't think this relates to any of those other holocaust movies you see, firstly, this depicts the emotional and physical challenge in a Concentration camp from a post-puberty teen. Also, there are not many movies based on the Hungarians in WWII. Most movies are large hollywood english movies with much larger budgets. This movie, along with Triump of the Spirit, are by far the best two WWII movies based on life in a concentration camp.
shareThank god we have these reminders of horrors like the Holocaust. If we don't remember the past, we are doomed to repeat it.
shareUhhh they have been repeated many many times since WW2 but just because they don't make a bunch of movies about it, it doesn't exist? You are a dumb ass. But I downloaded this movie for free and will continue to download holocaust movies so they don't capitalize on the horror of killing human beings.
My feet smells like *beep* Its because I stepped on dog poop.
IM gonna go off here for a second because the shallowness of that comment really p'd me off. my grandparents survived the holocaust, and are now dead, so id say theres only a matter of time before there are no survivors left to have their version of this story told. this was one of the greatest tragedies in recorded human history, if not the greatest in terms of cultural significance, and i found the comment about it being an 'overdone topic' sad and yes, ignorant. the director did not make this to win an oscar he made this because he read the book and became friends with the author [kertesz is a REAL PERSON who survived the holocaust, a word that unfortunately is tied to our collective consciousness only in the context of films and books we tend to forget it actually was, er, real] and it moved him enough to make this film, an AMAZING thing if you think about it., seeing as there had never really been a film portraying a hungarian side to this history-- precisely because of the reasons given in the film - people for the most part ignored it there after it occured. koltai and kertesz are both hungarians , the film is hungarian and it is not out of hollywood. i agree that hollywood sometimes sticks its nose into subject matter that it has no business being in, but hungary was a deeply repressed and censored culture up until a short time ago, so i actually find this film more significant and genuine than the spielberg 'hollywood holocaust' version of events. i mean if spielberg with all his little toys and money as toilet paper gets to tell a story that he never lived through, then let the person who actually lived through the trials set for him in life tell his story and shut up, its more important and just a better and more beautiful film than the crap hollywood churns out daily, and in my opinion the most unique and visually stunning of any film done on the topic.
shareSurvival can never be an overdone topic, any more than love or fear or faith can be overdone topics. There are millions of personal stories of people who are still alive today that we can all benefit from. We can learn from survivors how they overcame fear, developed courage, and lived from one minute to the next, how they had to let go of loved ones, grieve, and then make a new life.
>>> I am not trying to be ignorant, but come on
For someone who's not trying to be ignorant, you're sure doing a lousy job
>>> there are other issues in the world that Hollywood should be focused on
Yes there are. And over the course of a year we see movies about alot of them.
>>> instead of a motif that has 5 movies a year about
There is noting wrong with a few holocaust movies coming out every year. The event itself demands it. Your comments say more about yourself then they do about Hollywood. Are you as embarrassed as you should be?
I think the reason some people complain about "all" the holocaust movies is because they think the reason they are made is purely for PC purposes. Probably because they hear people saying all the time that we should never forget so we don't repeat history. While I think there is some value in that idea, I wouldn't put too much hope in holocaust movies preventing us from repeating history - humans are constantly repeating history.
Those people who complain should perhaps think of it in another way, that the holocaust and WWII in general was one of the most traumatic events suffered in living memory. Traumatic events are dramatic, and movies are all about drama.
Besides which, since the fall of the Soviet Union we have been able to learn about how people in Eastern Europe and Russia reacted to WWII. Don't see why everyone shouldn't have a chance to tell their side of the story.
I'm no buff, but it seems WWII and esp holocaust films spend little time (if any) depicting survivors _after_ the return. The Pianist did so a bit. This film did it a bit. Obviously there's Sophie's Choice (now you know one reason for my tag); but starting from the end-of-war, beginning-of-"peace" is what I'm talking about. From the survivors (not The Victors) point of view: German, Hungarian, complicit, resistor, whatever. E.g., if this film started with Gyorgy's walk from the square (i.e., the final scene).
Anybody suggest other films that have done that?
"I'm no buff, but it seems WWII and esp holocaust films spend little time (if any) depicting survivors _after_ the return. The Pianist did so a bit. This film did it a bit. Obviously there's Sophie's Choice (now you know one reason for my tag); but starting from the end-of-war, beginning-of-"peace" is what I'm talking about. From the survivors (not The Victors) point of view: German, Hungarian, complicit, resistor, whatever. E.g., if this film started with Gyorgy's walk from the square (i.e., the final scene).
Anybody suggest other films that have done that? "
This is an old post but I have to comment that Fassbinder's The Marriage of Maria Braun sounds just what you're looking for. And since you like Sophie's Choice, I would recommend Enemies: A Love Story. Very similar story.
StreepIrons, if you are still on here . . .
I haven't seen the 2012 movie "Lore", out of Germany, a story about survival of four or five German children and one camp survivor immediately after Germany surrendered. Looking forward to seeing it as I have been on a quest to understand pre-WW II behavior of the citizenry, Jewish and non-Jewish, AND to understand how the citizenry reacted afterwards.
The denazification trials are interesting to me, too. I've read as much as I can about those.
Unfortunately, exploring these things may have to happen with reading, but we should share any movies we know about, as they are easier for teaching lessons (classrooms, homes). Holocaust survivors' memoirs abound; they discuss the weeks, months, and years in Europe after the surrender but also the survivors' lives in whatever country they landed in. Like in this film, a lot of those memoirs are Hungarians.
This movie REALLY moved me. The DVD special features include "the making of . . ." and an interview with the author, a camp survivor at age 14 (he denies that the novel (pub. 1975) and, therefore, the film, is NOT autobiographical. The interview shared amazing insights into this experience.
Life's too short to be pissed off all the time. -American History X (1998)
All im saying is that if there were as many movies coming out every year that pertain to any other topic other than the holocaust then you would hear a lot more about it. but no one has the guts to say hey, enough already because they will get skewered as I have here.
There are more pertinent issues in the world today that need paying attention to such as the unjustices in israel on both sides, africa, asia, south america, even in the US.
this is more 'pertinent' than 98% of the shallow crap inundating the cinemas nowadays. thats asinine.
shareHonestly you want to know an overdone topic? Stupid and pointless movies such Epic Movie, Not another teen movie, Scary movie etc. those are the movies where you get 5 coming out a year. All i can say is what a waste of money, time and effort put into such sh!tty productions which fail to make any sort of impact on the viewer. More movies about REAL life(in capitals if you cant understand the signficance of how real these events were and that they REALLY took place) should be made to wake up the ignorant, selfish and uppreciative people of todays society who don't understand the value, beauty and most importantly the gift of life. I think todays younger generations take too much for granted and are too caught up in the materialist aspect of life they forget the meaning of it. This is not coming from a 30, 40, 50+ year old, but a 19 year old. I think my generation and peers should be encouraged to watch more movies like this, perhaps its the solution to turning the page and stopping them from wasting their lives, and helping many recover from drug addictions, violence or hopelessness, as this movie depicts the most impacting message of survival.
sharePlease name a film that has won an ocscar on this subject matter that didn't deserve it. Who are you to judge when people should 'move on'?
Life is just one damned thing after another - Elbert Hubbard
Yep.
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