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PG! Are they kidding!


I am posting this at the behest of my 7-year-old daughter who felt that "Millions" should have been rated PG-13. I warned the video store regarding the movie's content, so he could warn other parents, but my daughter insisted that I put something on the internet. I'm not surprised that she objected to the rating. This movie shows a boy masturbating, unmarried people naked in bed (with the implication they just had sex), and boys ogling nipples shown through a lacey bra. She thought the theft and dishonesty themes in the movie were cause for it to be PG-13 (although I don't necessarily agree with that) and, according to her, there was "bad language", but I do not recall any. Not everyone will agree with this assessment (obviously a board of adults determined that a PG rating would suffice); however, I thought it was important to let someone know that at least one child thought the movie was inappropriately rated. Nevertheless, we liked the movie quite a bit.

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I would like you to be a little more accurate about the masturbating scene. As the mother of Lewis McGibbon who plays Anthony in this film I have read the script, been present during all filming and probably seen the film about 20 times. There is no scene of a boy masturbating in this film. I am quite concerned that a 7 year old said that there was a masturbating scene in the film. I cant recall my children knowing what masturbation was at that age. Also as I recall the film is actually a PG13 in America too, so it is up to the parents to watch the film either first or alongside their children and decide if it is suitable.

I hope this clears up any confusion.

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First, it isn't PG13 in America, it is rated PG. Second, I did watch it with her. Third, my daughter wondered what Anthony was doing with his hands under his desk, leaning in against the desk, shaking, in the dark...when she asked, I told her he was just probably doing his homework. I, however, was mortified that a child was seen masturbating in a PG movie (or, at the very least, that his movements were indicative of such behavior). By the way, my daughter doesn't know the word "masturbation," but she is aware that boys "play with themselves." You are naive if you think 7-year-olds are unaware of this fact (in any country). Fourth, your son did an awesome job with his role. He developed a wonderful depth to his character. I thought the movie was fantastic. I'm sure you must be very proud, and you should be. Well done.

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Well yes I am very proud..... and in the "Millions" of people who have watched it.. you are the first to say you think he is masturbating... please dont insult my intelligence in suggesting I would allow my 12 year old child to film a scene containg such implications.... do you think he would talk to his young brother whilst doing so? Dont you think there may have been some questioning from his younger brother about it??? If you feel thats what you have seen then I am sure that there is no changing your mind but I assure you...that is exactly where it is... in YOUR mind....

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Me thinks thou dost protest too much. I'll note, you never have said what it is he is supposed to be doing in that scene...mmmm? You are missing the point because you think I am attacking your mothering skills or something. It is no business of mine if you allow your child to whack-off in front of millions...who am I to question how you earn money for your family. I'm kidding, I'm kidding, don't have a stroke! I'm just poking fun at you. Just take a step back for a minute. Believe me when I say that I am not criticizing you or your talented son. I am merely positing that the movie should have been rated PG-13 in the U.S. Just my humble opinion, that's all. No need to be indignant with me. The scene was so fleeting; he could have been doing any number of things. I am certainly willing to concede for your piece of mind that it was not your intent or his intent to portray him doing anything un-PG-rated-like in that particular scene.

Of course parents need to monitor their children's viewing and, obviously, I did in this case. I read the jacket cover to determine the subject of the movie, I made sure it was PG before renting it, and I watched it simultaneously with her. It is unrealistic to think that any parent is going to watch every PG movie twice (once alone and once with her kid after deeming it appropriate). Since the ratings system is not infallible, parents need to speak up when they think there is a problem with a rating. Relying on the assessment of other parents is just another means of determining the suitability of a movie for your child. It was only for this reason that I bothered to give my opinion of the appropriateness of this movie for a 7-year-old (nearly 8). If I thought there was too much going on to be rated PG, and my 7-year-old did too, then chances are there are others who would agree. I certainly respect your opinion that the movie was not inappropriate for children, since your child was involved with the production of it, but I'm afraid we will just have to agree to disagree that this movie was not suitably rated in the U.S.

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I've got your back, smellymarinara. I think it was an easy PG-13. Although I don't agree that he was masturbating in that scene, I think it was clear what he was looking at and what he was about to do. Anyway, the zoomed-in, 5-second-long shot of the nipple was enough for PG-13 when added to the creepy burglar scenes.
Man, people on these boards are quick to fight. Yours was a perfectly docile post, too.

-T (Tim)

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Anyway, the zoomed-in, 5-second-long shot of the nipple was enough for PG-13 when added to the creepy burglar scene

Seriously? What do you think will happen to children <13 if they are exposed to the horror of a freaking nipple? Will they be scarred for life?
Will they become serial killers? Will they turn into sex offenders?
Rapists? Schizophrenics? While at the same time it is perfectly OK to play violent video games and watch violent/horror films? I really hope you do not have children mate. They would suffer with you.
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Blah blah blah bla blab blab .........self righteous gibberish from a mother who DOES protest too much ! Keep your twisted patronizing to your sick self 'Smellymuff' ......... weirdo .

That which does not Kill me makes me Stranger . . .

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Anything inappropriate for a 7-year old to watch should be rated-R, blah blah blah....

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dear smellym: well I guess you can protest too much yourself. The woman mom of the actor is perfectly reasonable and completely correct...and you still tell her is it in her mind. It is her own son for heavens sake. I am not sure about all the pg rating stuff but to say stuff like "for your piece of mind" is pretty darn insulting and makes me shy away from listening to anything at all from you. Also note that the jacket covers are never accurate. good luck with your movie choices and watching.

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Hang tough Clare. The OP is obviously disturbed. Don't directly engage with someone who sees sexual content in your childs acting where there patently is none. That alone smacks of pedophilia, or wish fullfillment, not sure. It's weird, and creepy, and base. For the OP to then attack you personally is far out of bounds.

Cheers for your attempt to engage, but it's best to leave it. Let the OP stew in their own perverted juices.

Cheers Clare!

Kim

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Fair play 'claremcgibbon' - there are only so many minutes in the day to devote to educating the ignorant , or , in this case , the insane !

That which does not Kill me makes me Stranger . . .

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So only boys masterbate? Girls don't? Babies, of both sexes, have been known to masterbate at the age of 2! They do it because it feels good - it is not sexual for them yet. It's perfectly normal and well documented.

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I agree no masterbating scenes or implications that I recall. As for the "nipple" through the bra, I agree was a little much but it was very brief. I also agree on the "implication" of having pre-marital sex, however if this film in all its goodness be condemned for that, then 95% of films in the world must be as well. I take the good from this film and zoom past the very quick detours.

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Dont listen to the OP s/hes a freak.

BTW i thought your son did a really good job in the film. I wish both of you success in the future. :D

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Okay, I just finished watching this movie, literally ten minutes ago, and smelly, I have to say I have no idea what you're talking about. I watched this with my mom and neither of us had the impression that he was masturbating. After reading this post I decided to check out that particular scene again, and I still don't see what you're seeing. As for the film being PG and the nipple thing, it says right on the DVD box that there is sensuality in the film. But honestly, I've seen worse in PG films before. Some of the innuendos I hear in ANIMATED films, of all things, are pretty cringe worthy.
The bottom line is, you can't judge whether a film is suitable for young kids unless you watch it yourself. I mean, Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets is PG, and that end scene with the snake scared my 7 year old cousin for weeks.
PS Ms. McGibbon your son was awesome :D

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Agreed. Just watched it last night. There was no masturbation. There was nothing so inappropriate in that regard, and I double checked, too.

This, however, is wildly inappropriate:

"Me thinks thou dost protest too much. I'll note, you never have said what it is he is supposed to be doing in that scene...mmmm? You are missing the point because you think I am attacking your mothering skills or something. It is no business of mine if you allow your child to whack-off in front of millions...who am I to question how you earn money for your family. I'm kidding, I'm kidding, don't have a stroke! I'm just poking fun at you."

That is not "poking fun," in my humble opinion. This smelly person should be ashamed of herself. First, for interpreting a scene in a way NOBODY else did, or would for that matter, to the point that you see a child masturbating to pictures on the internet in a family film. Second, for this very immature response to someone writing to you very fairly and formally. Going off on a rant like that, then making the excuse that you're "poking fun" at the person doesn't fool anyone. Grow up, and stop looking for scenes of child masturbation where there aren't any.

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You are an idiot. Sorry, I do admit that was immature, but I felt it was appropriate given your moronic response.

Ms. McGibbon was clearly responding as though I was personally attacking her and her son. I, however, wasn't, and I wanted to make sure she understood that. But, since she seemed to be unclear about what a personal attack sounds like, I'd thought I'd give her a sampling of the sort of ridiculously unfounded attacks I could have made. I considered it "poking fun" at her because I was, in essence, teasing her about being so oversensitive to what it was I actually WAS saying. (But, undoubtedly a dimwit such as you would not understand this distinction). The absurd and shocking allegations were used as a means to shake her a bit so that she could understand that I was not making a personal attack, just merely giving an opinion regarding my views of the movie's rating. I'm sorry you are so dumb. It is probably a good thing that you live in a country where English is not the native tongue...less chance you'll expose your mental deficiencies to co-workers, etc. Good call on your part.

Now, just so we are clear, my response to YOU was inappropriate, but, oh-so-enjoyable! Save your reply rant...I don't care.

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Your head is in the gutter. It's a PG movie. Chill out.

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yea, i have to agree, i cant see how you thought thats what it really was, now you just seem like a pervert.....that was waaaaaaay off base. i do agree that there was some inappropriate content for PG....however, what you are sayin is just gross based on what they showed, thats making a pretty big leap knowin the preface of the movie....

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Totally agree.

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Okay, I was with you the first couple of posts (even though I have seen the film twice and don't recall any masturbation or anything like it). I could see your perspective, and I did think that certain things were borderline for a PG.

However, you have now descended into directly insulting people. Once it gets to that, how can anyone take you seriously? You are a parent of a 7-year-old. Presumably you should be able to act like an adult.

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I can't believe no one has pointed out yet how moronic it is that a 7 year old is telling her mother what to put on the internet, and the parent is doing it! This is what we're teaching children to do - complain on the internet that the warning for a movie should be stricter?! Why? Because you think a kid was playing with himself, they show a nipple through a bra, and imply sex?

The movie Millions has to be one one of the tamest movies I've ever seen. Maybe you should have explained to your 7-year old that she shouldn't obsess about some stupid detail like that. Maybe you should explain to her the central theme is about helping people, not body parts and functions you find offensive!

It's this type of puritanical attitude that embarrases me to be an american. And to actually debate this with the mother of the actor!

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I agree with aleisterhigen that this is a very odd 7-year-old. If the story is true (sounds a little exaggerated to me), she is destined to have a very hard time in school.

However I think that very short and insignificant scene did imply masturbation, due to the room being dark, his hands being under the desk, and his panic when the little brother entered the room. But the director left it ambiguous enough that the average 7-year-old (and, apparently, older) could interpret it as simply watching a computer screen.

Anyway, so what? The brother was older and worldier, and had the added burden of impending puberty to deal with. That was an important part of the story. I'm glad the 7-year-old and her parent were able to see past the parts that upset them in order to enjoy the whole film. These are valuable skills to have in our world.

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I haven't watched this film, my sister is reading the book in school and I thought I'd check it out and see what it's about, that's the only reason I'm here, so I have no opinion on what's going in the film.

I do though have an opinion about what you just said to the actor's mother. Your first few posts, while coming across as pompous, did express yourself well and set the tone for the argument, you sounded formal and informed, and I could see where you were coming from. As I read on, though, YOU changed to insulting the woman who hadn't said anything awful about you, merely that she disagreed with your view. You didn't in anyway state that that was "the kind of thing you could have said", you actually said it to her.

Maybe I am also just a dumb halfwit as you suggest, but English is my first language and I believe you were highly insulting and continue to be so throughout, and that has lost you the argument. You may consider it "poking fun" but clearly from the rest of the responses, most of the rest of the board agrees you went too far.

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I just watched this film, (really enjoyed it), in the UK it is 12 rated and i think that is exactly right. the strange this is, all of the things you are complaining about and none of you have mentioned the fact that the first saint he speaks to (inside his box house before finding the money) is smoking a joint!
so better a 12 than PG.
also... masturbating? come on, at most he was maybe looking on the underwear websites you see him looking at later in the film out of curiousity, there was nothing seedy about it at all.
(and what kind of a 7 year old knows that boys 'play with themselves'? that's just wrong, i live with small children, they are 6, nearly 7, and completely innocent to any of that kind of sexual behaviour, and they are not the sort of children who have been shielded from the world either before you say that.)

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quote: "I can't believe no one has pointed out yet how moronic it is that a 7 year old is telling her mother what to put on the internet, and the parent is doing it!"

More likely that the OP is just a sad, uptight, mental cripple who made up the part about having a daughter, to try to make her ridiculous objection more powerful.

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I suppose that scene could be taken that way if you are looking for it. I have a seven year old daughter myself and if she made any comment about what he was doing in regards to masturbation, then I would have serious questions as to where she would have found such information. That is what worries me most, where is she getting this info from?

But more concerning is this quote: "...unmarried people naked in bed (with the implication they just had sex)"

Oh shock horror let us slap a high cert on all films that dare to suggest unmarried couples make love. Jesus I feel sorry for the OP's kid.

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That's assuming OP even has a kid.

Also, according to the IMDb page here, this film is a PG-13 and there is a cut PG version available. Where did you see the film? Did you see it uncut on television and assume it was a PG because you didn't bother to look it up?

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Look all of you. I'm not making any comment about what anyones attitudes, or behaviours are, but please just end the discussion. You people shouldn't even be discussing something so sickingly perverse about a child, no matter how strongly you feel it was wrong or right. Just stop please!!!

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Agreed. In fact, whilst I disagree with the OP, people trying to suggest she might be a paedophile or something just because she thought the kid might be masturbating are just being stupid and hysterical. It crossed my mind as well, but I decided he probably wasn't. He didn't seem panicked, just annoyed, and he wasn't shaking. He was merely leaning forward to look at the screen. Either way, if I were a kid watching the film it probably wouldn't have occurred to me at all that that might be what he was doing.

Anyway. To me, the biggest problem with her complaint is the bit about unmarried people in bed. So what???? Most people don't have any moral issue with two single consenting adults making love. Even if you do, you should rest assured that your kid will see far worse things in a few years.

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Thank you all. Really. One of the most enjoyable thread reads in a while.

As for my take - upon first view, I thought the kid was masturbating, as well. Jaw dropped, (as for the type of movie it is) I had to bump back the ole DVR. It was then very clear he wasn't. And btw, it's the scene prior to the one with the little brother and the bra ad. The one where the camera had an aerial view, passing over the walls.

I do appreciate Mrs. McGibbon standing up for her son.

Be sure before you attack.

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No masterbation. I hate when parents get all crazy at movies when they should have used their PG. Parental guidance means, there may be some situations not applicable to young children. I preview all movies before my kids see them, or I did when they were small.

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If you're REALLY concerned with the content of a movie...
kids-in-minds.com
Seriously.
Detailed descriptions on anything that could possibly be offensive.

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I am posting this at the behest of my mentally disabled, 70 year old aunt. She says "Smellymarinara" is just a long way round of spelling "troll." If you're that concerned don't let your seven year old watch a PG/PG13 movie.

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i read through most of this thread..

wow, the original poster is insane-

this is easily one of the best CHILDRENs films of the 00's-

it doesn't represent kids like clueless shells of characters that most children adventure films resort too- in that aspect, i liken Millions to ET- Strong children who are on their own (in certain ways)- who overcome obstacles to achieve their goals-

The original poster must be oblivious to the world and will end up with a very frightened and sheltered child in a few years-

On the topic of masturbation in the film... if pre-teen Damien was innocent enough to not figure out what his brother was doing, then i would hope that your 7 year old girl would also be clueless... that being said, i don't think Damien caught his brother in the act, just cause he is looking at boobs doesn't mean he is pleasuring himself-

Final Edit, i just watched the scene again in HD and he CLEARLY isn't doing anything inappropriate- smellymarinara must have a perverted mind to even think that.

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Can I just point out that you have a problem with sexuality and the human body, but you have no problem with the theft aspect?

Right there is the problem with today's society.

Everybody wants to be found.
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Can I just point out that theft is objected to in the very first post?

But why are we still discussing this? Shouldn't this thread have died long ago?

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That's not the point. She doesn't want natural things like adolescents dealing with coming-of-age sexually but she was fine with the inclusion of elements of dishonesty and theft...

Everybody wants to be found.
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I'm sorry, but even though I don't agree with the OP, your comment implies that it's okay for 7-year-olds to watch porn but not to watch films with criminals in them, like Home Alone.

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I'm just saying it's hypocritical.

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Well, it's understandable why a parent might be uncomfortable with sexuality in what she erroneously thinks is a PG film.

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I really don't think a 7-year-old would 1. object to those things and 2. urge her parents to 'put something on the internet' about it. You explain the alleged masturbation (while admitting that the question made you uncomfortable). Yet nipples only become 'offensive' by social standards. Jeez, nipples were your girl's source of food not too long ago. They only become evil when society says they are (and is lying about it since the thing everybody does and is crucial for the survival of the human race is somehow considered dirty).

I think you should stop using your child as a human shield and admit that you're simple too prudish to watch a PG movie. Please, stick to going to church and never come to Europe. You might have a heart attack when assaulted by the first nipple on a billboard.

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