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Low Budget my butt


I've been watching this thread for a long time...everyone either loves or hates this movie. Those who love it say "so what if it's low budget" and other say it looks like poop.

No one has responded to my commenting that the low budget is no excuse for the film's lack of quality.

There are things that could have been done better *without* increasing the film's budget.

The director and the editor have both edited enough of these low budget movies to know what to do.

Unless they're making these to make quick bucks. Has anyone considerred that? Look at how many movies the director has done. No one can honestly make that many movies and honestly say they've been passionate about every one of them.

I bought this movie on a rack of many, many other $2 no-name horror movies. If they're using cheap to semi-cheap equipment, which we all know they are this is definately something that can be profitable. Even with expensive equipment here and there, with that many films, it must have paid off.

So here's what I'm trying to ask....Why don't the film makers give more attention to detail? For instance, in the beginning, they have shots of the band playing. As soon as they cut to the dialogue, it's very apparent those two sequences were shot on different days. More than likely this is due to scheduling conflicts.

Here's how they could have gotten around that, without increasing the budget. Use the audio from the band in throughout the dialogue, and cast extras to play the band members. As long as they're in the background, no one will notice. Ta-da!

Even if they don't have the money to get costumes for the extras to match that of the band, all they have to do is tell the band to wear something easy to find, something common, so that they wont' have to spend money to match those costumes.

Watch that part of the movie again. There's a blunt change in the audio. It stands out like a sore thumb.

There are many other problems like this. There's one shot of the van driving that looks like it was shot with the gain all the way up. Come on! Light it better, or shoot it differently.

This film has many amateur level mistakes that could have been easily prevented on any budget.

With that many films behind them, my personal opinion is that the film makers are only in this for the fun of it, or possibly for the money. That's their business...but be honest with yourselves, this movie is crap. Not necissarily the idea, but the execution of it.

The interviews are all shot in the same room, someone's living room by the looks of it, probably a cast party after they finished shooting.

Don't give me any "they had a low budget" nonsense unless you know what you're talking about. If anyone can actually back up this movie without using that excuse, I'd love to hear it. All I can think of is that they're just having fun, or just making money.

I don't want to turn this into a flame throwing contest either, so let's keep intelligent.

Of course, if I come back in a few months and see that this comment has no intelligent responses...I won't be surpised. But hey, prove me wrong!

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Here's a list of the directors previous films:

Bloody Tease (2004) (V)
Goth (2003) (V)
Scream Queen (2002) (V)
Lord of the Vampires (2002)
Demon's Kiss (2002) (V)
... aka Kiss Me If You Dare (UK: DVD title)
The Coven (2002) (V)
Death Factory (2002) (V)
Witchcraft XII: Lair of the Serpent (2002) (V)
B-Witched (2001) (V)
Evil Sister 2 (2001) (V)
The Zombie Chronicles (2001) (V)
Mad Jack (2000) (V)
Babes in the Woods (2000) (V)
Camp Blood 2 (2000) (V)
Camp Blood (1999) (V)

Excuse me, but which of these demonstrate that the director "knows what to do?


This guy can't be in it for the money. A good cab driver would earn more than a garbage director of this caliber. In fact, I bet he's in deep debt, clinging to the next opportunity to waste film and everybody's time.

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I do agree with you, and he probably is deep in debt.

The length of that list would [normally] suggest that he would have gained *some* kind of experience. You learn something every time you make a film. Or at least you're supposed to.

If he were making these for artistic reasons, that would definately be the case. He'd be learning from his mistakes, and his films would get better after time.

What I meant to say, and I guess I said it in a very round about way, is that since Goth is one of his latest films and it's just plain awful, he can't possibly be making them for artistic reasons.

Money is the only other motivation I can see. Or maybe he just has the Ed Wood syndrome.

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I respect what you're saying and you're right. I know it's not going to win any awards, but on a personal level, I like this movie whether it's big budget, low budget or no budget. But I do understand what you're saying, I could pick out all the goofs and submit them here.

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The Ed Wood syndrome is probably more common than you think. But sadly few of its victims have the "Ed Wood touch"

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I think aka-ed just nailed it. They really need to come up with a cure for the EW syndrome lol.

And how many times do I have to say the low budget is no excuse? I knew at least one person would comment on how they liked it regardless of the budget...come on, that has nothing to do with the quality of this--or any--movie. As long as someone knows what they're doing, they can make do with what they have. Usually that ends up bringing out the best, since it forces the filmmakers to really think...but obviously not in this case.

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And I'm not going to stop liking it.

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Waste video tape you mean. Not film.

P.s. P. Dollar = best facial expressions eva!

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I've seen only one Brain Damage film, and this was it. I can understand a liking to them, because if they are anything like this. Then they are some of the worst films I would of probably ever seen in my life. To the point I can break down laughing, as I did several times during this movie. If they accept scripts, directors, and actors this easily. I wouldn't be surprised if I even had a chance of making their line up.

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yes. it was hilarious. hilariously bad. i totally agree. why does anyone think the script was anything remotely close to good? and the acting? especially dan stann (boone?)

is it supposed to be a parody? because it's too boring for that!

my friend ryan wants to let you know his arse is enormous. sorry about that!

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he has actually made a bit of money for his films, Brain Damage fans (such as myself) love those movies, and we buy them...most of us don't watch them from a serious film critics point of view, but rather, we just watch them for fun, entertainment.

I'm also a fan of Troma films, which, trust me, some of those movies are much worse...but their fun, their cheesy, campy, slumber party fun. And a lot of people like them.

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I like a good low budget film as much as the next guy, but whoa.

It wasn't campy, cheesy, or fun.

I would pay someone to take this film off my hands.

Overall quality was sub par even for a low budget film, the plot, the
acting, the editing, the sound, all bad.

I can laugh at a subculture I have been involved in for the better part
of 20 years, it is fun, but this was not only an awful portrayal it
wasn't funny, tongue in cheek, or even cheesy.

It was just bad.

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i know what you mean. 'Dead end' was low bugd and i thought it was great

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I must agree that the execution of the idea could have been better. for me it was the fight and death scenes that let it down- they were quite poor. However, the little imperfections, and most movies have some-good and bad, didn't bother me. I thought the idea was a good one. and i enjoyed phoebe dollar's performance- until the action scenes that is, which weren't believable enough. not to mention the brothel scene!
this is an odd movie in that all the right elements are there in the right order, the ideas are good, the soundtrack is good. BUT its not done well enough. shame- it could have been great. i'd like to see this film remade with better action scenes and more tension and more attention to making scenes believable.
i still enjoyed it though,beginning to end. and its better than raving maniacs!

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