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Bob Barnes + his son....


When Bob Barnes meets his son at Princeton they are sitting in a hall way and the son says something to the effect of “maybe they will make you ambassador to France, Italy, or Ghana”. Then Bob asks his son “how is your mom”. Cut to the Mexican restaurant and the son is asking for a car to get back and forth from Boston and New York. Then they start talking about living in Islamabad and he asks what does Mom do while they are living there. Is any one else as confused as I am by this scene? Is Bob under cover as an ambassador? He hardly seems the type, even though it would be an obvious cover. He seems to be more of a field agent. Why does the son need a car if he is going to Pakistan? Is Bob married? It does not seem like it but yet he and “Mom” are going to Islamabad where she is a secretary, another obvious cover. Finally, Bob never seems to be Islamabad through the entire movie. This is a very incomplete scene and very confusing. Can some one fill it in for me?

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You are right that Bob is a CIA field agent. His wife (and his son Robbie's mom), is also a CIA agent, stationed in Islamabad, Pakistan. Bob doesn't see his wife very often, as they are both married to their careers. She is never seen in the film.

Robbie lives with his mom, and he hates living in Pakistan, and he hates that neither of his parents will be straight with him about what they do for a living. His suggestion that his dad could be "made ambassador to France, Italy, or Ghana" is just wishful thinking, of course.

At this point in the film, Bob assumes that he will be getting a transfer to a desk job at Langley, and Robbie will come back to the U.S. to attend college - that's why they're visiting Princeton, although Bob would prefer the University of Maryland, where he has residency, so the in-state tuition would be more in line with his salary.

After their visit to Princeton they have lunch in a Lebanese restaurant, where Robbie and Bob both pour on the hot sauce.

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A couple of quibbles/comments:

I don't think it's ever made explicitly clear that Clooney's character Bob's wife is also CIA (?). My reading was that they are perhaps divorced and we (purposefully) don't know exactly what she does. I could be overreading the text but wondered whether Clooney's repeatedly wandering eyes in this scene (see my earlier reply) was meant to intimate that he had (in)fidelity issues.

I think you might be misreading what *may* be the significance of the location change in the scene. IF (and it's a big "if") these two conversations are separated by some time, my reading was that in the first scene in which he changes the subject by asking "How's your Mom?" when Robby is indeed expressing wishful thinking about an ambassadorship, Clooney hadn't yet blown his "audition" in Washington.

After we segue to them actually eating and not just talking, Clooney mentions thinking he may have "screwed up at work." I therefore don't think he was 'assuming' he was getting the desk job. They were visiting Princeton because I think Gaghan is saying (as he does explicitly in one of the DVD supplements) that that's the kind of school these privileged people send their kids to. (He makes more commentary about academic institutions with the somewhat obtuse inclusion of one of Bryan Woodman's [Matt Damon's character] work colleagues mention that University Of Chicago was founded by J.D. Rockefeller.)

But, if the scenes two parts took place close in time--say, the same afternoon--why not have Clooney say a tag at the end of the first part such as 'wanna get something to eat [at that Lebanese place?]?' to make the timeline more clear? But I'd surmise Gaghan would think that too "on the nose," as evinced by his writing style in nearly the entirety of the rest of the movie.

Again, problematic little scene.

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The scene is problematic for some directorial reasons. First, it's somewhat typical of Gaghan's low level of narrative disclosure: he seems to like to let viewers piece things together rather than be very explicit and is willing to let things be less than clear in achieving that.

Second, the first part of the scene is in one location. We cut to the kitchen/food preparation, track with the prepared plates of food being carried by the server to Bob/Clooney and son Robby and they are in a different location (which is not necessarily a Mexican restaurant--I know you're cuing off what kind of food appears to be on the plates; but the other responder herein says Lebanese restaurant and I think that may be it). The dialogue of conversation is nearly uninterrupted on the soundtrack through the location change. But they are wearing the same clothes.

Oddly, Clooney is seemingly distracted in both locations by young girls who we only hear off-screen in the first location, but then see at an adjacent table in the second (they are the ones from whom Robby borrows the sauce).

My reading is that Robby was referring to himself and Mom when says "we" in asking "What does Mom do again that that we have to live in Islamabad?" My reading was that he has already been living in Pakistan, not that he's going there and needs a car. He says "So I know it's still a year away . . ." to introduce his request for a car. I think he's *preparing* for his hopefully "normal" senior year at Princeton in asking for a car ("so that [he] can get into Boston and New York"), not preparing for Pakistan.

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Yall see it completly wrong. Without this scene you wouldnt be so fast to feel for Bob-whats-his-name. Its there to show that Bob-whats-his-name is a *beep*-up in life so you would petty him and not think to harschly of the guy when he attempts to kidnap and probably execute nassir, the only good guy in the movie.
It served its purpose, so what now theres a plothole, its how Hollywood portraits characters, and they cross there fingers in the hopes noone notices it, reading these posts, they succeeded once again apparently.
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They've also apparently succeeded in making you think that all movies must have definite protagonists & antagonists.

I once had a signature. But, then I realized how bleak & meaningless such personalizations are.

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I took the son's asking about a possible ambassadorship to mean that Bob's 'cover' is that he works for the State Department (not unheard of for CIA agents). Apparently the mom is also undercover: the son asks about what she does, Bob hesitates then says she's a secretary, and the son angrily replies that both his parents are "professional liars." I got the impression that his parents haven't even admitted to him they're CIA, but he's figured it out.

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I took the son's asking about a possible ambassadorship to mean that Bob's 'cover' is that he works for the State Department (not unheard of for CIA agents). Apparently the mom is also undercover: the son asks about what she does, Bob hesitates then says she's a secretary, and the son angrily replies that both his parents are "professional liars." I got the impression that his parents haven't even admitted to him they're CIA, but he's figured it out.


^^This. I thought the same too. That's why the son was upset, he knew or at least guessed this much because of how his parents lied to him.

"I am the ultimate badass, you do not wanna `*beep*` wit me!"- Hudson in Aliens.

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