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Light on the suicide terrorist?


The depection of the terrorist in this movie seemed to me a little to kind. The hatred that motivates them was missing. The movie only focused on their religious motives, and that too was light.

This was most likely done because of the fear of backlash from the Muslim community, and the negative publicity it would cause.

No fear from hollywood to offend the oil companies in a negative light however.
Evil corporations will always be favourite target of Hollywood

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The movie was not about terrorism. They could have left all of those scenes out. But, I guess that had to show what happened to the missile Bob lost track of. "No fear from hollywood to offend the oil companies in a negative light however." That's what the film was about. The West's need to have continued access to the middle eastern oil fields.

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Evil corporations will always be favourite target of Hollywood
You appear to have succumbed to a simplistic interpretation of the film. Syriana's political leanings are much more ambiguous than that - the film doesn't really take sides.

Ample time is devoted to the argument that oil, the lifeblood of industrialized society, is worth all the underhanded dealings that take place to acquire it, because, without it, any consuming nation is screwed.

JIMMY POPE (to Bennett Holiday): ”We use one quarter of the oil in the world, Bennett. Your house is light and warm and my house is light and warm, but what if it was that way half the week, or none of the week. Hell, China's economy ain't growing as fast as it could because they can't get all the oil they need. I'm damn proud of that fact.”

MARYLYN RICHARDS, Deputy National Security Advisor (to Deputy CIA chief Terry George, in deleted scene 29): “Imagine gasoline $10 at the pump. Or heating oil that costs $2,500 a month for a two-bedroom apartment. If oil goes to $100 a barrel, the U.S. turns into a third-world country. That is a fact.”

DANNY DALTON (to Bennett Holiday): "Corruption is our protection. Corruption is what keeps us safe and warm. Corruption is why you and I are here in the white-hot center of things instead of fighting each other for scraps of meat out there in the streets."

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Marylyn Richards character (and most likely the viewers of this movie)probably never heard of Adam Smith and the power of the 'invisible hand'.

I really had to laugh at Danny Daltons diatribe defending corruption. What a complete load of crap. I feel sorry for anyone who bought that statement.

Transparency.org annually cites a 'corruption index' list of 180 countries on how corrupt they are.

Top of the list 2008 (least corrupt) 1) Denmark 2) New Zealand 3) Sweden 4)Sinapore

Bottom of the list 2008 (most corrupt) 177) Haiti 178) Iraq 179) Myanmar 180) Somalia

Stick these facts up Danny Daltons ass and ask him if he would like to be deported to Haiti.

And if this statement by Dalton was an attempt to convice that viewer that the US government is overly corrupt. The US finished 18th of least corrupt states (out of 180) by the way, one behind Japan (17th) , but several slots ahead of France.

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Not all corruption is equal. In many poor nations, lots of low-level government officials require a bribe to do anything for anyone. This is well known.

It is a different matter entirely when a powerful nation uses its military might, spy network, corporate dominance and economic clout to pursue a self-serving agenda - e.g., the overthrow of the elected government of Iran in 1954, the 2003 invasion and devastation of Iraq, the ecological carnage wrought by Texaco in the country of Ecuador from 1964 until 1992, etc.

Do thousands of small acts of corruption equal one large act?

The U.S. is a great country and a world leader that produces a lot of good, but it is also 5% of the world's population consuming 25% of the world's resources, and the ongoing maintenance of that ratio has been a major driver, and is the question of the day...

As for "Adam Smith and the power of the 'invisible hand'" see my post on your other thread.

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The hatred that motivates them was missing. The movie only focused on their religious motives, and that too was light.


Oh I see, he should been another two-dimensional, crazy-eyed, Middle Eastern fanatic that's all too common place in America action films these days?

Your nativity and overly-simplistic view of terrorism and the motives behind Islamic Fundamentalism only expose your ignorance.

Mohammed Sheikh Agiza wasn't supposed to be some two-bit, suicide bomber wannabe from the slums of Iraq.
He was an experienced, highly-connected, international weapons dealer whom the movie strongly implies was motivated by far more than simple religious conviction.

He fell on religion as a cynical ploy to recruit and indoctrinate new followers or basically, cannon fodder, whom he could use to further his own political ideologies, while he focused on funding the means behind them.

If you think every terrorist in the world is religiously motivated you've got a lot to learn.
Terrorism by definition is using fear to achieve political objectives and for the latter half of the 20th Century, it was just that.

Look at the ETA, IRA, Black September, PLFP, MKO, the Tamil Tigers, or Saddam Hussein (who staunchly opposed Islamic Fundamentalism) and open your friggin' eyes.

This was most likely done because of the fear of backlash from the Muslim community, and the negative publicity it would cause.


No, it was most likely done to provide a complex, multi-layered plot that goes far beyond the simple, overly-contrived bullsh*t your used to from your garbage, all-American action movies.

And yeah, Hollywood really doesn't apply enough pressure on the Muslims, I mean I hardly ever see them portrayed in a negative light:

http://www.ibiblio.org/prism/jan98/anti_arab.html
http://pages.emerson.edu/organizations/fas/latent_image/issues/1996-04 /arabs.htm

No fear from hollywood to offend the oil companies in a negative light however.
Evil corporations will always be favourite target of Hollywood


Yes because the multi-trillion dollar corporations who hold the free world hostage with their iron-fisted controls on the one resource the worlds runs on certainly don't deserve that?

Grow up. Learn a thing or two. Then come back and attempt to deliberate some more.

When the Defecation hits the Oscillation.

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Have you all seen some of the postings on "Rendition?"

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can you post a link?

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I also thought it was missing but
1. that was not the main plot of the movie.
2. there is a possibility that they were "recruited", meaning that they would get money for their jobs. So, religious indoctrination may not be the only cause here.

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And I suppose you've met a lot of terrorists...

I don't think it was light, or done because of the fear of backlash. It highlighted the difference between the professional terrorists (Mussawi, Mohd Shiekh) and the poor, ignorant suicide bomber.

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This movie was not focusing on terrorism, of course, as has been mentioned several times. However, "hate" is not a prime motivator for suicide. As was depicted in the film, the recruits were jobless, far from home, and felt that the best way for them to make a difference for their families was to do this one thing. Faith and religious motivations were definitely part of it, and sometimes "hate" is a motivator; but hate would generally lead to people bombing and shooting from afar. While I can't claim to know many suicide bombers, I do know one whose bomb failed. While he is still Muslim, he no longer supports such violence and is very outspoken. He was not motivated by hate and his explanations offer primarily religious and familial motivations.

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what the movie is trying to show is that the suicide bombers/terrorists, the ones who get to blow them self up, are just peons, young people being used by organized religious extremists ( like the blue eyed arab). poor, uneducated, unemployed, their future is uncertain and they were told that they dont have any choice and this will bring them to heaven and stuff,
its happening all over the world from palestine to indonesia, and the us bombing some muslim countries with drones isnt going to help anyone

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I think that's somewhat true. The Muslim world, for whatever reason, produces lots of these young guys. And the handlers who know how to appeal to the anomie. If the rulers had the slightest concern for anyone but their own selfish interest, maybe the guys would have some small hope in THIS world. But, then, I think we have produced deliberately that kind of ruling class. They serve our "interests" so well. Interesting that they brought up Mossadegh. He, too, thought he could help his people. He too was toppled by the CIA. And bad as Saddam Hussein, when he threatened oil money, he became doomed. Even the "democracy" of America couldn't stop oil interests from removing an uppity Arab dictator. When up against the moneyed classes of the world, democracy is a string to push on.

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MARYLYN RICHARDS, Deputy National Security Advisor (to Deputy CIA chief Terry George, in deleted scene 29): “Imagine gasoline $10 at the pump. Or heating oil that costs $2,500 a month for a two-bedroom apartment. If oil goes to $100 a barrel, the U.S. turns into a third-world country. That is a fact.”


Oil went upto $150 a barrel a few years ago.

The USA has no need for foreign oil and the price does not matter because the USA can print off as many dollars as is necessary to buy anything it requires on the world markets.

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