I saw a trailer for Flyboys on tv. It looks like it's about the same thing except it's about Americans. I saw a shot of a red airplane with swastika insignias being carried by a blimp and then dropped into the sky for it's take off.
How do you think this release will effect the Red Baron movie? It doesn't look like it's going to do well in theatres (my prediction) and it might affect Red Baron negatively.
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Are you sure it was a swastika? It was probably an iron cross.
shareHad to be an Iron Cross you saw, Swastikas werent used be the nazis till 1920, 2 years after the war. the Iron Cross has been around since the 1800s and is still used by the german military today.
"I will confess my sins to god when I see him, not to you."
Swastika's...hah....get your facts straight kid.
And I sure hope it dosn't do the hollywood pasty, over-acted, love-sticky nonsence
provided too us by movies like Pearl Harbour. Instead, I'm hoping for a more REAL, and humanistic view of the war, like Das Boot, which was another German made film.
~Rich
My bad about the swastikas. I really didn't pay a lot of attention to the trailer and I'd only seen it once on tv. Anyway, I haven't heard much about it. Did anyone go see it?
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"Swastikas weren't invented until the 1920's."
Not what I said, I know that the swastika was used by ancient peoples it is still used as a peace symbol by the koreans. What I said was the swastika wasn't USED BY THE NAZIS till 1920. If your going to try to upshot me at least copy paste and read it.
"I will confess my sins to god when I see him, not to you."
Swastikas were used on both sides during ww1.
Im pretty sure a number of American pilots had them on their aircraft and one infantry unit even used it as the emblem.
its not a nazi symbol
You're right. Werner Voss had a heart and a swastika symbol painted on the side of his plane (http://www.aspeterpan.com/book1/Voss.htm). Also, the American infantry unit that used it was the U.S. 45th Infantry Division (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._45th_Infantry_Division).
share"Swastikas were used on both sides during ww1."
While some educated pilots who knew what the swastika meant back then may have used them in decorating their planes, that would be a personal thing: neither legal "side" used the swastika as it hadn't been used in Germany as a political emblem yet and the Allies never used it. If you'd like to provide some proof for the fact that the infantry used it as an emblem, etc. I'd be interested at looking at it.
And how can you say the swastika is not a Nazi symbol? Maybe it wasn't originally, but it certainly is now: show someone a picture of a swastika and they'll think "Nazi", not "ancient symbol of peace".
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"If you'd like to provide some proof for the fact that the infantry used it as an emblem, etc. I'd be interested at looking at it."
http://www.45thdivisionmuseum.com/History/SwastikaToThunderbird.html
http://rexcurry.net/45th-infantry-division-swastika-sooner-soldiers.html
The swastika is one of the most anchient symbols of peace and power in the world. It has been seen on ruins in Germany, India, Korea, and thousands of other anchient sites throughout the world, many dating back to before the last ice age. Germans have held the symbol sacred since before Christ and during the Christian era it was outlawed by Charlemagne in an effort to convert the Germans to Christianity. It was still revered though until the 1920s when the Nazis hoped to capture some mystical German symbolism. During WW1 some Germans might have used the Swastika as a symbol of luck on their planes but it would be restricted to small font on the fusilage and not on the tail which was reserved for the Iron Cross. The Iron cross was the Prussian symbol of military might which came to prominance after Prussia's victorys under Frederick the Great.
shareOnly difference there won't be 30 all red Fokker Dr I's flying around, lol. Der Rote Baron looks like it will be more historically accurate. I just hope it's done in German with English subtitles much like Downfall.
shareFirst of all the swastika was not used by the German Air Corps or any German outfit in WW1. The Nazis were not in power. German war movies and foreign films in general do not cater to the same audience as the American counterparts. Most American films are blind to the realities of war and are more akin to recruiting films than art (with exceptions). Judging this movie by Flyboys would be like judging Das Boot by U-571.
There is a well known photo of jasta 11 which the first Dr1 in the line up has a large swastika on the sides and top of the fuselage, which ive uploaded for you.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v164/Phas3e/DR1_1.jpg
no units or service in general used them but it existed as a lucky charm
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Kinda pisses me off that Hitler did so much damage, the swastika is now Nazi, the roman salute (adopted by the Nazi's) is now Nazi and even that wee moustache that Charlie Chaplin styled is now Nazi because Hitler liked it.
Doesn't stop cats though...
http://www.catsthatlooklikehitler.com/