Worse Than I Expected


After seeing Flyboys, I thought Der Rote Baron couldn't possibly be worse. I was wrong. I just viewed a German/Chinese edition on my all-region player. This version was dubbed in German. As an American with limited memory of high school German, I had hoped to be able to select the original English dialog. Unfortunately, this version only offered English subtitles. Even more unfortunately, the English subtitles were impossible to understand because the translation was awful and the characters names were changed to Mr. Fung Li and Lei Lai Man. I decided to switch off the horrible subtitles and immerse myself in the German. Unfortunately, the movie has little flying action and most of it is totally unrealistic and cartoonish. As a person with a deep knowledge of WWI aviation, the historical inaccuracies were very disturbing. The planes, the markings, and the fictional plot lines were more than I could take. Why didn't they show the combat where von Richthofen got his head wound? Why didn't they show his death? For a movie with little action, it seems like they missed a lot of chances to show-off more cheesy computer-generated combat scenes. This movie is a real waste of time.

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I agree with all of the above. Plus that I couldn't keep from being constantly irritated that they'd cast Til Schweiger as Werner Voss. Schweiger is 45 for Christ's sake - Voss was even younger than Richthofen, actually only 20 at his death in 1917.
I all the time sat trying to figure out what Schweiger's role actually was, since I assumed he had to be some kind of superior officer due to his being twice the age of the other actors - until I realised he played Voss...

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I was also disapponited with the movie.

I could not believe that when the pilots landed in 'no mans land' that it looked like it was peacetime - surely it would have been a landscape that was destroyed by shelling and barded wire?

I thought it was hilarious when the nurse apologised to Fiennes for taking so long to cross the lines to visit the grave site.....

I guess with Til Schwiger the company needed a name that had appeared in movies before (even if this includes Driven). I agree that he should have played another role - but then he may not have had as much screen time.

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Fair point about Schweiger's age. It's so easy for modern audiences to forget just how young most of the real pilots actually were. Nonetheless, I thought the casting for the most part was quite good. Aside from being a bit tall, I can't imagine there are too many actors out there who look more like the real Richthofen that Schweighofer.

I thought it was decent, not great. I'd have to say that well over 95 percent of all movies based on historical events often have very little accuracy; I tell myself that ahead of time so as to avoid disappointment. I do appreciate some historical accuracy though and thought the subplots and twists about MVR shooting Brown down and them meeting each other in no man's land, etc., was ridiculous and going too far into the realm of fiction. I understand writers' and directors' needs to use elements of storytelling, but I thought that was kind of absurd.

I guess what amazes me is I think MVR's story is an absolutely astounding one - a story that doesn't need to be exaggerated to make it interesting. The more you stray into fiction, the less exciting you make it. Hopefully someday someone will make a solid, worthy portrayal.

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Sorry chaps, I liked it.
Matthias Schweighöfer was perfectly cast as the title character and generally, regardless of their real ages, the rest of the cast performed their duties as well as I could have wanted. The only fly in the ointment for me was Joseph Fiennes - his accent was almost unbearably dodgy.
Ok much of the plot was fictionalised - so what? How many biopics show nothing but the truth - "got up, went to the toilet, had breakfast, etc."
As for the action of the planes and the movement of the engines - well some of us are edging into anorak territory there - if you want accuracy, watch the History Channel; if you want a well paced action European version of a Hollywood-type movie with intelligent dialogue, then here you are.
Again, sorry

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I knew it was gonna be crap during the first scene...when the pilot hits the grave with a wreath....that was a big eye-roller

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I was very disappointed with this film. An opportunity wasted to make a decent film about Von Richtofen; instead we got another "Fly Boys" full of Hollywood cliches. As for that ludicrous story line with the nurse! Give me strength .....

There'll always be an England ....

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They should have at least casted a real Canadian actor to play Roy Brown. Shawn Asmore would have been perfect.

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Haha normantater, i watched this on netflix last night so this is late but haha, COULDNT AGREE MORE... I have seen a lot of movies and know when the pure "crap movies" are around and that opening scene with the wreath made me pee my pants in the first minute. thats hard to do when a movie is trying to be a drama. Do you smell that?? smells like *beep* why do directors instantly discredit a film by having their first scenes show *beep*

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I would strongly suggest that the guy who wrote that scene try the following. Stand perfectly still twenty feet from a wastepaper basket and then try to throw something into it. Then he would get an idea about what it is like attempting to drop a wreath onto a grave when the plane was moving at 80 miles per hour and at least 200 feet above the ground.

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Yes, I thought this a very enjoyable dvd and well worth watching. No need to be sorry twatams!

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So did I...so much so, I re-rented Valkyrie and sought out Matthias in the film.

He reminds me of the late Oskar Werner.

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It's not a crime to like this film, but may I ask what is there to like? It's the same old collection of cliches. Yes, it's fictionalized (there's no such thing as a "true story" being that a story is a packaged view of messy reality), but how I would have fictionalized it would have been to emphasize the story of the planes. That's what drew me, and many people, to this film in the first place - but they turned these incredible machines into some kind of WWII prop-cum-jet flying machines that never existed. I don't understand why the engines worked so slowly, yet these planes were diving and rolling as if Chuck Yeager was going Mach 2 in them! The CGI was actually good - if only this film had, being a WWI film, recreated World War I!

Just because something is fiction does not mean that it's okay to be paint-by-the-numbers unoriginal or downright unrealistic, and this film was both! I would forgive human interest inaccuracies if the writer and director had chosen to more accurately tell the story of these planes, how they flew, what combat in them was like, how flipping dangerous they were, etc. Now, there is where you find your plot and your interest (and your character development). Instead, what we got was hilariously tongue-twisting, purple prose dialog, a plodding pace, and "action" sequences that abruptly terminated. I did not care about the characters at all. I was bored. The only thing I liked was the shots of the planes (when they weren't flying like Bell X-1s).

"Hell's Angels" was also fiction, but that film, focusing on the real details of WWI pilots' lives, is a taut, unnerving, and fascinating classic, and the primitive planes and airships made it all the more harrowing.

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I actually thought "Flyboys" was the superior flick out of the two. I had some major problems with this movie, especially the ending. We don't even see Richthofen get shot down and what the audience was told about said event, was totally ficticious.

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The Red Baron was a horrible flick with many dramatizations and inaccuracies to be excused. Then the battle scenes were so confusing.

I stopped watching this wreck about 45 minutes in.

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