I've seen a documentary that seems to prove that it wasn't Canadian Roy Brown who killed the Red Baron but Australian land gunners and it was very convincing. They did it by the use of lasers.
even if this hasn't been proved conclusively it should be made clear in the film as the case for Roy Brown shooting him down has got serious questions !
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Yes, after a lot of controversy and conjecture, it was pretty conclusively proven that Von Richtoven was killed by ground fire and not by Roy Brown. The documentary that explained the methods used to prove it was very well done.
shareIs this going to be explained in the film i wonder? If there are signs that it isn't maybe we should contact the film studio to find out why. It sould be made as authentic as possible if they want people to take it seriously.
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Well, I have seen a documentary not long time ago and it said that there is ab big chance, that a Polish infantryman afterwards code named Lis in an Australian uniform shoot the Red Baron. They brought up many convincing arguments. What is true now??
shareI haven't heard of this but maybe they should do alternate endings then or clearly explain that there's conflicting theories? Because there's such big questions now about Roy Brown it won't be right if he's shown to be the one who shot him down.
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Funny you should say that, Captain Roy Brown was also known as Snoopy, which was his nickname. So it probably isn't a mere concidence that the Snoopy character from Charlie Brown is often shown battling the Red Baron.
share"it wasn't Canadian Roy Brown who killed the Red Baron but Australian land gunners and it was very convincing. They did it by the use of lasers. "
Haha- for a second there you gave me the mental image of the red triplane furiously trying to dodge big red beams of light blasted up from the ground!
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"it wasn't Canadian Roy Brown who killed the Red Baron but Australian land gunners and it was very convincing. They did it by the use of lasers. "
Haha- for a second there you gave me the mental image of the red triplane furiously trying to dodge big red beams of light blasted up from the ground!
It wasn't Australians or Roy Brown who shot the Red baron down it was Darth Vaders tie fighter!
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""it wasn't Canadian Roy Brown who killed the Red Baron but Australian land gunners and it was very convincing. They did it by the use of lasers. "
Haha- for a second there you gave me the mental image of the red triplane furiously trying to dodge big red beams of light blasted up from the ground!
It wasn't Australians or Roy Brown who shot the Red baron down it was Darth Vaders tie fighter! "
Yeah! And it would have been one of Darth Vader's wing men if Han Solo hadn't swooped down in the Millenium Falcon in the nick of time!
The Red Baron was obviously about to attempt the trench run...
Don't believe in Kennedy-like conspiracy theories...It was this Australian gunner! It was that Australian gunner! It was the Australian gunner on the grassy knoll! Conspiracy theories make great books and documentaries. But the fact is, Roy Brown shot down the Red Baron. His bullets hit their mark. There were witnesses in the air and on the ground, including Australian gunners who testified the Baron's plane went into a death-dive after Brown's pass. The movie has that right. But they, apparently, have left out the plane Richthofen was chasing at the time. You can't see it in the trailer.
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Don't believe in Kennedy-like conspiracy theories...It was this Australian gunner! It was that Australian gunner! It was the Australian gunner on the grassy knoll! Conspiracy theories make great books and documentaries. But the fact is, Roy Brown shot down the Red Baron. His bullets hit their mark. There were witnesses in the air and on the ground, including Australian gunners who testified the Baron's plane went into a death-dive after Brown's pass. The movie has that right. But they, apparently, have left out the plane Richthofen was chasing at the time. You can't see it in the trailer.
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It's not a conspiracy theory it's based on very convincing recent research! and you know for sure do you that it was Brown who bagged him? Were you there by any chance?
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It's not a conspiracy theory - The OFFICIAL result of both Allied AND German commissions of inquiry - He was shot down by Machine guns of the 24th Australian Machine Gun Company!
Therefore claiming it for BROWN is the "unofficial" conspiracy theory.
Brown did a good job in deliberately herding him down towards the ground. Brown never claimed the kill, it was claimed on his behalf by the British Royal Flying Corps. He later conceded the kill to the ground fire. Browns guns had jammed 10 minutes earlier. Other allied pilots who were eyewitnesses all said the same thing. Observers on the ground all said the same thing. The autopsy proved it.
The only conspiracy is the Hollywood re-writing of history into "a gallant mono-e-mono feat of single combat between two knights of the sky," rather than "One day a grunt manning a machine gun looked up, saw a great big red plane and shot it". Hmmmm the second version just doesn't sound as dramatic.
Unfortunately the hollywood version's been told so often it has become fact.
the fatal bullet might have been shot from Australian gunners, but it was Roy Brown's flying and ability to get behind Richtoffen that led the German ace to get so low to the ground in order to shake Brown. That then opened him up to the Australian gunners on the ground. It was a joint effort, although there is still disagreement on this issue among historians.
shareI completely agree , even though Brown never shot down The Baron directly he defeated him by tactically herding him into allied lines to be finished off by the ground fire.
shareI completely agree , even though Brown never shot down The Baron directly he defeated him by tactically herding him into allied lines to be finished off by the ground fire.
Yes but is there any evidence he deliberately herded him into the guns? If this film doesn't show the Australian gunners and concentrates on Brown or even shows him being shot down by Brown it will be a travesty of history.
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I don't remember where I've read all of this, but as far as I understand this is what happened:
There was a fairly large dogfight on the German side of the front - lots of planes turning and shooting, and more and more planes rushing in from both sides to help, making the dogfight bigger and bigger. In that dogfight, there was a fresh Royal Flying Corps pilot belonging to the same unit as Roy Brown. Roy Brown had told him before that if we end up in a big dogfight, you try to pull out and run for home, because you are too fresh and unexperienced to survive for long in there. This fresh pilot did as he had been told, pulled out of the dogfight and ran for home as fast as he could, diving towards the British frontline. Unfortunately, the Red Baron was in the same dogfight and saw him leave the fight, and thought this was going to be an easy kill, so he followed him, diving towards the British frontline. Luckily, Roy Brown saw this happening, and started following the Red Baron. The Sopwith Camel was slightly faster than the Fokker Triplane, so the fresh pilot running for home in a Camel really should have kept going straight, flat out, which would have left the Baron in his Triplane way behind. But the Red Baron started shooting at him from a long distance, scaring the young pilot into zig-zagging. Which was what the Red Baron wanted, probably. So now we have the fresh pilot zig-zagging, diving towards home, getting really low over the ground about when he crosses the front line. And closing in behind him, going in a straight line, the Red Baron. And closing in behind the Baron, Roy Brown - still out of range, but firing a few bursts anyway, trying to scare the Baron into zig-zagging, so that the fresh pilot could get away. And from the ground, the Australian infantry was blasting away with everything they got, at the the Red Baron.
The Red Baron was killed, the Australian infantry claimed the kill, and Roy Brown did not - I think he reported that he wasn't really close enough to do any serious shooting, and he wasn't shooting at all at the moment the Baron suddenly rolled over and crashed. The autopsy showed that the Baron had been killed by a single bullet hitting him in the armpit and exiting through the opposite shoulder/neck area. Meaning it came from the side, and low. Quite impossible for Roy Brown to hit him from that direction.
But the top brass in the Royal Flying Corps wanted the Baron to have been killed by a RFC pilot, for reasons of morale: a lot of the British pilots feared the German pilots and thought they were invincible (well, at least that's what the British top brass thought that some of the British pilots thought), so the idea was that if a British pilot (well, Canadian in this case, but he was in the RFC) could kill the best German pilot, then the Germans wouldn't look so scary. So the official story was that Roy Brown killed the Baron, even though everybody who knew, knew that it was the Australian infantry who killed him.
Roy Brown never claimed himself that he killed the Baron - if people asked him if he was the guy who killed the Red Baron, he usually answered "Yeah, I'm the one who got the credit for killing him, that's right." And smiled politely.
Roy Brown wasn't trying to herd the Baron towards the Australian guns or anything - he was just following this fresh pilot who was running for home, and trying to get the Baron off this kid's back.
It must have been the Aussies that killed the Baron - the only other one nearby was Roy Brown, and he himself never ever claimed to have killed him.
But what do I know, I wasn't there... :-)
Aussies always try to claim everything.
Considering they shouldnt have even been there in the first place.
Used a cannon fodder by the english in 2 wars.
Eat the Neocons.