Guess I'm a fascist...


I just saw this movie last night at a midnight sneak preview screening (I work for an independent theatre chain in Colorado - it's one of the perks)...I'm sorry, but this is one of THE WORST movies I've ever seen! If everyone else digs it, that's totally cool...but why am I now a "fascist" for thinking it absolutely stunk?

Before you make any assumptions that I'm some hoity-toity film buff who only watches "real" movies like "Ladies in Lavender" and "Sideways", think again - I'm a huge fan of B-movies, and Bruce Campbell in particular. His trademark character Ash is one of my favorites, and his portrayal of the aging Elvis in Bubba Ho-Tep was phenomenal.

But hey, B-movies still have the potential to be reeeeally, reeeeally bad (and not in that "good" campy way we all love)...and that's what watching this particular one was like for me and my fellow co-workers. With the exception of that one tracking shot where Bruce runs through the square and scares the kids, there were no laughs to be had. Overall, we found the story to be mind-numbingly stoopid, the pacing mollasses-like, and the so-called humor dumber than a bag of hammers. (I'm sorry, but Ted Raimi's "Pavel" character was not comic relief...he was just plain retarded!) Believe me, we all went into this really wanting to like it, but left feeling incredibly disappointed and robbed of two hours.

This sneak preview was in advance of Bruce's arrival in town, to do the autograph/Q&A session he's been on tour for (mentioned in some of these other postings). I can appreciate paying $12 to see this legend of indie cinema - but refusing to autograph anything other than his books, and requiring that you bring multiple copies of said books if you're interested in more than one autograph, just smacks of cynical greed to me. If you're truly a "man of the fans", why turn away the kid who brings his Evil Dead II DVD, or Army of Darkness poster? It's not like they didn't pay already to stand in line for an autograph...

If you absolutely loved this movie, plan to see it multiple times, want to marry and have kids with it, etc., that's fantastic - we all like what we like, so you get no judgement from me. But don't go questioning the sense of humor or fan loyalty of those who aren't having multiple orgasms over Campbell's latest cinematic coupe. This flick was a steaming turd sandwich in my humble opinion...and as a true Campbell fan, I'm allowed to say that!

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<but refusing to autograph anything other than his books, and requiring that you bring multiple copies of said books if you're interested in more than one autograph, just smacks of cynical greed to me.>

I want to defend the book signing, although I have to say I was not a witness to the behavior you mentioned.
He started the signings on time, spoke briefly to each person, and let people take photos, even more than one. More people showed up than expected but he nearly got everyone done in time for the movie, which made the midnight showing possible.If he needed to set a few ground rules about what he signed it was for good reason (besides the fact this was a *book signing for a *book tour).
A rep from Tattered Cover, who organized the event said it was one of the biggest signings they had ever done.


{wonton burrito meals}

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"....but why am I now a "fascist" for thinking it absolutely stunk?"

I haven't read wherever you were called a fascist, but this is my guess as to why:

- apparently, plenty of people have seen the film, and really enjoyed it. And others apparently looked at in the way that you mention things like "Bubba Ho-Tep" and other B-movies you've enjoyed it - they evidently thought it was silly, but at the same time, really loved it. So that puts your credibility in question right there.

- assuming that you really do like B-movies, and Bruce in particular, it does seem a stretch for you to be so violently disappointed by this one, given that if nothing else it had lots of screen time for Bruce and Ted, and will earn lots of director/writer royalties for Bruce. Not that you certainly don't have a right to do so - but usually if one is a big fan, one can find something enjoyable, no matter how silly something may be. Like me and "Terminal Invasion," or "Assualt on Dome 4" - both had little to recommend in them, but there are parts that made me smile, and I'd certainly want to see those individual bits again, and would even sit through either again if someone else were particularly enamored of them.

- Since Bruce's previous writing attempts (books and comics) have quickly become best-sellers, and his directing efforts (Herc, Xena, and VIP) have been well-received, it also seems less credible that his directing an writing suddenly turned bad. In other words, if the low budget, SFX, and Bulgarian cast were the weak points of this, that would be expected. But it seems awfully hard to imagine that Bruce screwed up here. And that veterans like Ted, Stacey Keach, Tamara Gorski, etc. all managed to screw up at the same time, just in time for you to see it and have a bad experience, when others have had a good one.

That's not impossible, but do you see how increasingly unlikely that is becoming?

- it becomes even more of a coincidence when you concede that you were upset by the autograph policy. Since autographs technically have nothing to do with a movie, but you do connect both to Bruce disappointing you, there could be the *appearance* (whatever the relaity) that you became disgruntled over the book/autograph deal, and decided to slam the movie.

- since you see the film as a steaming turd sandwich and a waste of your time, this puts the credibilty of the whole thing even more into question. Movies are a modern miracle - via camera and light, actions of real life people are somehow captured on flat pice of slick material, and then can be replayed at will, at mutliple locations, even made to look larger than life..... this has been unknown for the first 6 billion or more years of the planet, yet now we have it at our command. Add to that that some of our favorite actors and behind the scenes people can make money *doing* that???? Well, that's just amazing. People pay money just to see travelogues of Bulgaria - if nothing else, there was that much in the background, regardless of what the actors were doing in the foreground. Girls (well, and some guys!) pay money just to have glossy still photos of Bruce, just to look at his face. Here they were able to see it larger than life, moving and talking and making money. That's incredible! If you were to have said this was one of his lesser efforts, and for die-hard fans only, and not really to your liking, that would be one thing. But my guess is that you came across as attempting to make some definitive pronouncement as to whether or not the movie was any good.

For comparison - I went to see Paul McCartney's "Give My Regards to Broad Street" at a matinee when it came out. It was essentially one long music video, featuring lacklustre visuals on some old Beatles songs and some new solo material. Someone asked if I liked it. I replied "Well, seeing Paul McCartney sing 'Yesterday' is worth $2 any day of the week."

And to put it in greater perspective, why would strangers on the internet care if your time were wasted? I'd be quite happy if 200 million other people wasted their time. Bruce would make more $$, and it wouldn't affect me at all! :P

- my guess therefore is that no one actually thought you were a real fascist, as far as advocating a totalitarian form of government. This was probably what is called a *joke*. What they may have meant to call you was a "bunghole," quoting Beavis and Butthead. Because that has its own self-answering defintion:

Beavis: "What's a bunghole?"
Butt-head: "You're a bunghole, bunghole!"
Beavis (to himself) : "Hmm... I kinda like that word - bunghole.... bung-hole..."

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Hey man, I enjoyed this film and you did not. It's all cool.
I would recommend checking out the comic book version, preview it at the shop if you will. The art is catchy and story a little more stream-lined.
But if not, it's still all cool.

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I was only hoping to get a pic WITH him instead of a pic of me staring at him from across the table. I also went to the Mayan in Denver for the signing. It was cool, but disappointing. I understand he needs to have a system down, as jerkish as it might seem, so he can get everyone through, but I wish he could have taken a little more time just to ensure more signatures if wanted and a more personal picture.

My chief complaint was with Tattered Cover. I think they might have tried, but ever since I started calling -asking about the event months ago they have been very uninformed and disorganized. I hated that I had to buy one of the books from them for a ticket for one signature. I hated that I got less than 30 seconds with him as they ushered in a new person. I hated that they said I needed to rush, when ultimately, I could just go whenever since I had a definite place in line. I hated the unclear pamphlet telling me that a postit would be supplied to me in advance, so I could write my desired message when there was no postit handed out and I was only allowed to write my NAME only. It was a messy event and I will definitely reconsider if Tattered Cover handles it again.

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I don't understand.

I went to a book signing in Dayton, and it was set up like the Johnny Carson Show, he sat at a desk, I went on stage, sat down in the guest chair, and he interviewed me about my job before signing my book. It was a very pleasant exchange.

There was an audience of people in chairs in front of the stage.
It was very surreal.

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Right on, will do! I LOVE the comic art on the poster - perhaps I can thus glean some enjoyment out of this story after all, albeit in a different medium.

Thanks!

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My "Guess I'm a fascist" post has generated some superb feedback...my sincere appreciation to those who have jumped into this discussion, whether they be of the "Loved It" or "Hated It" side of the fence. (hey, that's what makes these forums interesting!) To clarify a few things:

The "fascist" reference I made refers to someone's posting from June 23rd, where the subject line read "Dude, amazing. If you didn't like it, you are a fascist!" (the body of the posting then included, "All you movie fascists out there can go rot!") Now, I didn't actually think that my contrary opinion of this film would magically transform me into a bona fide goose-stepping totalitarian...but (given my opinionated rant that followed), it clearly irked me. This guy was wildly, enthusiastically delighted with the film...fantastic, I say! (wish it had had the same effect on me) But why should my overt UN-delight with "The Man With the Screaming Brain" fit me with this unpleasant label? (which Yes, I know, isn't literal)

My bad for throwing my equally negative opinion of the autograph policy into my overall treatise on this film...as one replier to my post quite correctly put it, this has absolutely nothing to do with the film overall. You can simply chalk up the enclusion of the autograph jab to petty grouchiness on my part (or grouchy pettiness...whichever).

One thing that puzzles me, however, is the matter of my "credibility", brought up by the same poster (i.e, since so many other people really loved this film, that puts my "credibility" in question) What the heck does credibility have to do with any of this? I'm not a professional film reviewer (never claimed to be one), just Some Guy With An Opinion. I'm not making any ultimate pronouncements on this film ("from this day forth, ye shall ALL deem this film fetid and unworthy of viewing...there shall be no other opinions held but Mine!"), just putting my measley two cents into the discussion ante. As for whether strangers on the internet should care if my time was wasted in seeing this film (or any other aspect of what I've said here) - they shouldn't! I didn't submit to this forum in hopes of garnering sympathy for my unhappy movie-going experience...I did it for the same reason everyone else is participating in this cyber-debate: I felt like it. After all, isn't that what these forums are about? To weigh in with your viewpoints, good, bad, and however off-kilter they may seem? (otherwise, why are any of us doing this? We should all be outside playing, it's a beautiful day...)

Again, people like what they like, and don't like what they don't like. The fact that Bruce Campbell is enjoying a career as a bestselling book/comic author and well-received director doesn't mean bunkus when it comes to the genuine reaction one has to seeing his latest work. Heck, Ingmar Bergman is considered one of the world's greatest cinematic geniuses, with a gallery of truly brilliant work in his corner. But if someone were to declare to me, "Christ, I'd rather be sewn into a laundry bag full of fire ants than sit through another viewing of that piece of crap known as 'The Seventh Seal'"...do you think pointing out Bergman's highly-praised career and the respect and adoration of multitudes worldwide is going to alter this person's opinion? Or should even matter?

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Nope, but I'd call that person a fascist. (or a bunghole.) :P

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Hey, that's totally your perogative...but you obviously seem to have issues with anyone whose opinion isn't a carbon-copy of your own. Must be rough, living in a world mainly populated by us bungholes and fascists... :)

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I liked the Seventh Seal...
:(

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Oh, so did I! (Personally, I thinks Bergman rules...) I was just making an extreme example of how unpredictable and random opinions can be (including mine, of course!).

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I'm with you on this one, kenstru.. I saw this flick at the Main Art in Royal Oak, MI last night - Ted Raimi was there with Bruce, as was Tamara Gorski (the killer gypsy broad). This made for a interesting & pretty funny introduction to the movie, and then... THE MOVIE FLAT-OUT SUCKED. I was so let down! I mean hell, I love all the early Raimi movies, too.. Bubba Hotep, all kinds of cult/foreign/cheesy/"weird" movies, etc etc.. This movie is not good-bad, it is BAD-BAD. But to be honest I think Bruce and Ted are aware of that, because they joked about it being a stinker several times, and said we wouldn't see them at the end of the film because they were taking the money and running. This is for the best I'm sure, because there was only scattered "polite" applause at the end. The one good thing I can say is that since Bruce was signing at the theatre, you could have him sign ANY one thing, not just a book.. I now have had all the cast members (and Tom Sullivan) of Evil Dead sign the DVD.. Now I gotta get Raimi!


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I was also at the Royal Oak screening, and I must say, the applause at the end was rather loud, with screaming and hooting. And yes, I was at the second showing too.

Also, Mr. Campbell signed a friend's copy of his book for me, and signed my autograph book as well. You could tell he was a bit annoyed at the stupid questions a couple people asked, but he was still very nice. And I flagged down Ted Raimi on his way out of the theatre, and he sat down and chatted with me for a minute and signed my notebook too. *swoon*

I enjoyed the movie. I thought it was funny as all hell -especially- Pavel's rap.

But that's just my opinion. =)

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I saw the movie this weekend at Flashback Weekend at the Crown Plaza Chicago O'Hare. I very much enjoyed it and the crowd seemed to as well. It was a horror convention & drive in, not really a screening so we got to see it for free along with a handful of other movies (well it was included in the price of our convention/drive in costs) Bruce did also do his book signing of course...and he did it for a whole load full of people over the 3 days he was there (Fri, Sat, & Sun) He signed the book and one other item of your choice for every single person. He sat with you....talked for a few minutes, shook your hand, possed for a picture (or 2 or 3) There were several panels and Q&A sessions and he was hilarious. They had an Evil Dead cast reunion and they all seemed to really like and respect him. I really enjoyed myself and found him to be very pleasant.

"She might have fooled me, but she didn't fool my mother." ~Norman Bates~

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Just went Monday to the book signing and showing. He was very cool with everyone, posed for pictures and signed other stuff besides the book. It was only $10.00. Even saw him at a nearby bar between the signing and movie. Very fun.

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I also was at Flashback weekend in Chicago and got to see the movie. While this was no Evil Dead or Bubba Ho Tep...it was what it was a silly, campy, eye rollin movie. And with the fact it's going to the Sci Fi channel, I would certainly watch this one over as opposed to such "great" Sci Fi movies like Mansquito (enough said on that one). And honestly I enjoyed this movie better than the really bad movie Chaos (which they also screened that weekend).

Bruce was great at the autograph signings...we even got him all flustered and he messed up on the signing of the book because I (well I couldn't ask, my boyfriend did because I have such a crush on Bruce......)
kiss, for which he politely said he would but that it would't be fair to his wife. He was funny and great. I think all the other crap had to do with the publishers....

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Raimi's a twat

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I've been reading the comic of this movie.... I and I'm not impressed. I love Bruce, love Evil Dead, love Bubba Hotep... but for some reason, this one is just coming off really lame to me.

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I like it myself. I thought it was one of the good campy b-movies.
In my book-signing experience he let people get their evil dead stuff signed, i myself got my army of darkness dvd signed.

I'm not suprised that you dislike the movie, i think my friends and i are probably the only people that will like this movie ever. (in the middle of the showing my friend looked over and said "this is the best movie ever.... why is this the best movie ever?" )

It was a film that reminded me of my dreams. really random. also, that if i thought, 'hey wouldn't it be great if ___ happened?' whatever i thought of whould happen. like with the vespa. and the robot.

i liked it.

that's just me. of course, i'm the stupid kid who will turn on tv, see that 'tornado' is on, and watch it, just for bruce.

oh, and your talk about cynical greed? well, at least he hasn't released 'jack of all trades on dvd'... heh.

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I liked Jack of All Trades... :(

I always felt that show tanked because of Cleopatra 2525

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I can appreciate paying $12 to see this legend of indie cinema - but refusing to autograph anything other than his books, and requiring that you bring multiple copies of said books if you're interested in more than one autograph, just smacks of cynical greed to me.


At the San Diego Comic Con he signed pretty much anything. He also had about three or four different autograph sessions and his last one went for about four hours.

In this world gone mad, we wont spank the monkey, the monkey will spank us.

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