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Some People Touched On Ths Already

posted 7 years ago by cindyw_02
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This felt contrived for many reasons. It seemed to come somewhat from left field. They didn't have any build up. It's not just the dating part. They never so much as referenced him or Bishop keeping in touch with him. She also JUST got divorced because her husband cheated on her. She healed awfully fast or this is a rebound relationship. They basically did the opposite of what they did with Tony and Ziva. T/Z had so much build up, was drug out too long and never brought to fruition. This was brought to fruition too early. They may be trying to do Kate / Ari 2.0. In the episode, they free an innocent man. Maybe he is not what he seems and this is a back door way of putting him on the show. It would be an interestin way to repeat a storyline which does happen whe a show runs a long time.

[–] fictionalman 7 years ago

Agreed. It was contrived and politically correct. I hate when TV tries to brainwash not entertain.

That's just my two cents.

[–] woodcat2-428-460785 7 years ago

She's just dating him isn't she? She's not suddenly announced that they've been married 6 months and she's expecting his child?

[–] unosez 7 years ago

What exactly is "politically correct " about this??

[–] SevernSarge 7 years ago

I hate when TV tries to brainwash not entertain.

Agreed! This episode was basically one long sermon from beginning to end.
I will not be preached at, and may be through with NCIS if it continues.

I've given this show many "chances" over the years. They usually surprise me and make a comeback. I hope that at least "that" trend continues.

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[–] fictionalman 7 years ago

I will not be preached at, and may be through with NCIS if it continues.

Unfortunately all 3 major TV networks are guilty of alienating half their audience with liberal bias.ABC's Marvel's Agents of Sheild bashes Foxnews.
CBS is also a typical liberal TV network. CBS's Madam Secretary was a failed attempt to get the public ready for a Hillary Clinton presidency.I stopped watching Blue Bloods long ago because it was too politically correct. I stopped watching Hawaii Five-O and Scorpion because they were just plain stupid.

That's just my two cents.

[–] julietrecamier 7 years ago

I wonder if they'll have the secretary run for the presidency and lose at the close of the series.

[–] slackersmom 7 years ago

Madam Secretary was a failed attempt to get the public ready for a Hillary Clinton presidency.

Not sure what a female Secretary of State has to do with a female president..... 

[–] trixie30 7 years ago

Apparently a significant percentage of Republicans/conservatives decided blonde, female SoS absolutely must be a plug for Hillary Clinton. Nevermind that they're not the same age nor do they have even remotely similar backgrounds, family lives, viewpoints, or anything else. Nevermind that Tea Leoni tapped Madeleine Albright for help on portraying the character. Nevermind that it's simply an interesting show that does idealize what we might think of as the best of our country. By that I mean someone who knows she's not perfect, who questions both herself and others, who doesn't always win, but who tries to do what she believes is right without passing the buck (so to speak). She owns both her successes and her failures. The character's political leanings are more centrist than outright liberal, but for many if she's not an arch conservative, she must be super liberal because there is simply no in-between for them.

Honesty, if anything the show makes many of us wish that's what we had with Hillary Clinton, rather than making us say, "Oh right, this is Hillary on TV."

[–] RJBose 7 years ago

"It was contrived and politically correct. I hate when TV tries to brainwash not entertain."

I completely agree.

[–] coloradotex (769) 7 years ago

I agree

[–] anbmom 7 years ago

I just hate that she and Jake had to break up. The whole idea of a spouse who gets along with Gibbs was really refreshing and gave us lots of places to go. I also liked the actor who played Jake and thought he would be a big asset to the team.

[–] woodcat2-428-460785 7 years ago

Please could someone explain to me how a story of a love affair on a TV show that has featured love affairs pretty much since it started is in any way propaganda.

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[–] slackersmom 7 years ago

Please could someone explain to me how a story of a love affair ... is in any way propaganda.

Who said anything about propaganda? The 'relationship' of Bishop and Qasim was a contrived, ill-conceived plot device, to be sure, thrown in from way out in left field, but that would be the case no matter what the man's name and/or background was.

And for sure nobody said anything about it being "propaganda." 

[–] ivitt 7 years ago

The fact EW went public and tried to explain the relationship was a pretty big tell they were prepared for some backlash. I personally hope there is a bigger story there down the road.

[–] samnotsob-43670 7 years ago

The only big story to come out of this, is NCIS is toast

Jack Bauer is back in the White House

[–] slackersmom 7 years ago

Not everyone reads interviews on this or any other show; for this show, probably most viewers don't. In any case, the actress saying something in an interview doesn't qualify as propaganda.

[–] ivitt 7 years ago

No, but it was a explanation. They knew from Harmon to the cast, it would not be a popular decision.

[–] woodcat2-428-460785 7 years ago

The fact EW went public and tried to explain the relationship was a pretty big tell they were prepared for some backlash.

Pretty much the only subject Cote de Pablo ever talked about was potential relationships and that was nothing but show publicity. Why is it now propaganda?

[–] samnotsob-43670 7 years ago

Who said anything about propaganda?

she likes to make things up

Jack Bauer is back in the White House

[–] ghostbobb89 7 years ago

Ellie had been divorced since last December or January. Exactly how long should a divorcé wait before dating again? It's not like she's been dating Qasim since the time she broke up with Jake. She said they were friends, and a few months prior to this past episode, it became a relationship. That's at least 5-6 months of healing right there before their romantic relationship even started.

There's nothing wrong with this relationship storyline at all. Plus, it's on the back burner instead of at the forefront of the episodes. NCIS has done a very good job of making romantic relationships leave a very small imprint in the episodes. Do you see McGee & Delilah's engagement constantly talked about in long scenes? No.

The T/Z relationship storyline was an accident waiting to happen, and nothing like Bishop and Qasim getting together. Tony and Ziva were actual team members and if they had gotten into a relationship, their relationship drama would have ruined the whole show. Kensi and Deeks on NCIS: LA are a prime example of why Tony and Ziva getting together would have been a bad idea.

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[–] readerf61 7 years ago

She separated from Jake last Thanksgiving. She is dating someone else this Thanksgiving. In the episode where Ellie and Qasim meet, there is already mutual respect and admiration. So, the friendship and dating happened off screen, but it doesn't seem absurd or forced. We just didn't see it, and personally, I don't watch this show for the shipping. That so much of it happens off screen is a plus for me.

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[–] ghostbobb89 7 years ago

Exactly!!!

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[–] cindyw_02 7 years ago

You can have mutual respect and admiration with an acquaintance. It doesn't mean anything more. They never implied any sexual tension or attraction. Granted, he's not good looking. There was no indication in the episode in which he appeared that he was ever going to come back again, let alone that they would keep in touch or begin dating. You don't need to have long discussions about the relationship, but it DOES need to be referenced. Even the Tim/Delilah and Tony/Zoe relationships, which took place largely off screen, were referenced from time to time. In this case, references would add to the build up and final reveal of the relationship. Doing it in one episode took away from the episode because the focus was 'who is Ellie dating' instead of who committed the crime. It was a bit soapy. That's also why I raised the idea that it was a way of repeating the Kate / Ari story without actually repeating it. In thier defense, Ellie runs the risk of becoming something of a bland character and this does make her more interesting. Still, the story was executed badly. Also repeating storylines just inevitably happens when a show runs for a long time because there is a finite amount of stories you can tell on any one show befor they repeat themselves.

[–] readerf61 7 years ago

I can see your point about the focus being on "who is Ellie dating?" but it didn't shift for me, if that makes sense. I still watched for the solution of the crime and the interaction of the characters. That *seems* to be the reason most people watch certain shows, since so many "plots" begin to resemble one another after time. Even other shows seem to have similar crimes or motives or means. This happens all the time.

What I find so very interesting on this board is, that people *loved* the interaction between Tony and Ziva, or Tony and Jeanne or Ducky and his ex in London. And much of those stories were character driven, but no one complained about that. But give NCIS a story where so many new characters are the focus, including the 3 unwise men, and the show has suddenly lost it.

What I suspect is truly lost is people's willingness to give the new show and characters a chance. I think people can't get beyond a beloved character leaving, so shows that focus on the new people are too character oriented. Because one doesn't like the characters.

The "crimes" on some shows (coughBonescogh) are beyond ridiculous! I don't even think th writers care anymore, the shows have become night time soap operas. And when I complained, the core viewers were furious, because that was *exactly* why they watched the show. I actually think NCIS is more balanced, and I continue to watch it. I stopped watching one of the other show around season 4 and stuck with another one to the bitter end. Quitting was the better solution.
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