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I'm very confused...


Ok I just watched this last night and it was pretty good, I prefered it over the American remake anyway.

I'm just really confused by some things, so if anyone could clear them up for me that would be great and appreciated:

1. The first scene we see is meant to have happened before the scene with the couple and the husbands mother living in that house, right? Which is why she is still there when Rika comes to visit? A few questions about this -
(a) Why does the old woman never speak? What's wrong with her?
(b) Why does Kayako kill the woman when Rika gets there, why not before when she killed the couple? (I assume that black, thick 'mist' was Kayako?)
(c) The husband of the couple said something to his sister Hitomi about his wife cheating and that he's not sure the kid is his... they didn't have any kids from what I could tell, so what was he talking about?

2. We see the police detective ask the retired cop about the case. He takes him into the station and he watches the tape. He goes home (? I assume it's his home?) and then opens the door to see his daughter much older just staring at him... what's that about? How did she suddenly age, or was this meant to be many years after watching the CCTV tape?

3. When Izumi is listening to the news, it says a body has been found under the roof of that house and it belongs to Rika... wasn't she alive? And I thought it was two bodies that were found, both being the couple I mentioned in question 1? I'm very confused...

4. What's wrong with Izumi when she's sat in her room with her hood up and all the windows covered with newspapers and the curtains drawn? Does she feel the curse's presence or something? Also, why are her friends zombies? :-/ How did they die? Why were they trying to get her?

5. How could that kid have been going to school in Mariko's class if he was supposedly dead?

6. Can anyone give me the correct, chronological order of this film? The way it was filmed at different times and events made it really confusing and hard to follow, IMO anyway!

Thanks!! :)

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(a) Why does the old woman never speak? What's wrong with her?
I think she's just kinda lost it. Got old, you know. Also, it appears from the way she's talking in the scene where she dies, she's been being tormented by Kayako for some time.
(b) Why does Kayako kill the woman when Rika gets there, why not before when she killed the couple? (I assume that black, thick 'mist' was Kayako?)
There's not really any rhyme or reason to Kayako's behavior other than the fact that anyone who enters her house eventually gets killed.
(c) The husband of the couple said something to his sister Hitomi about his wife cheating and that he's not sure the kid is his... they didn't have any kids from what I could tell, so what was he talking about?
He'd come under the possession of Takeo, Kayako's husband. If you saw the first movie, you know that Takeo killed his wife because he found her diary where she'd written about her obsession with another man.
2. We see the police detective ask the retired cop about the case. He takes him into the station and he watches the tape. He goes home (? I assume it's his home?) and then opens the door to see his daughter much older just staring at him... what's that about? How did she suddenly age, or was this meant to be many years after watching the CCTV tape?
He went to the cursed house, not to his home; his home was just a little apartment. Izumi goes to the cursed house with some friends many years later, and Toyama somehow manages to see a vision of her and her friends when he's in the house. Time is a pretty fluid thing in that house.
3. When Izumi is listening to the news, it says a body has been found under the roof of that house and it belongs to Rika... wasn't she alive? And I thought it was two bodies that were found, both being the couple I mentioned in question 1? I'm very confused...
That's explained in the next scene. Several years after Rika witnessed Sachie being killed, Rika goes to the house to save her friend Mariko and gets killed too. This is right before Izumi gets killed by the ghosts of her friends and Kayako.
4. What's wrong with Izumi when she's sat in her room with her hood up and all the windows covered with newspapers and the curtains drawn? Does she feel the curse's presence or something? Also, why are her friends zombies? :-/ How did they die? Why were they trying to get her?
In the scene I just answered you about above, in which Toyama saw her, she'd abandoned her friends in the cursed house and was terrified they were coming back to take revenge on her for it. Her mother tells Izumi's friends that Toyama did the same thing before he died, I guess because he'd left Nakagawa and Igarashi to die in the house and thought they were coming back to get him.
5. How could that kid have been going to school in Mariko's class if he was supposedly dead?
I assume she was a teacher in the same school as Kobayashi was in the first Ju On movie, and she happened to teach in the same classroom Kobayashi taught in, which was Toshio's classroom. Judging by your questions here, though, i'm assuming you haven't yet seen the original two Ju On movies from 2000.
6. Can anyone give me the correct, chronological order of this film? The way it was filmed at different times and events made it really confusing and hard to follow, IMO anyway!
Hmm. I'm not sure I remember the order perfectly. I was planning on watching this movie again soon anyway, so I think i'll watch it again right now to refresh my memory. Then i'll edit this post and give you the correct chronological order.

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Ok, i'm watching the movie right now, and i've got the chronological order down:

1: Takeo kills Kayako, starting the curse. Takeo and Toshio (and Toshio's cat) also die, becoming part of the curse. See the first two movies from 2000 and you'll understand all this much better.

2: The Katsuya scene. This is 5 years after the Saeki family's deaths. Kazumi encounters Toshio. Then Katsuya comes home, Kazumi gets killed by Toshio, and Katsuya gets possessed by Takeo. His sister Hitomi comes over for dinner, but Katsuya sends her home. It isn't explained how Katsuya dies, but he's later found in the attic by Detective Nakagawa.

3: The Hitomi scene. Hitomi encounters Kayako at her workplace, runs home to her apartment, and gets killed by Kayako there. The security guard in her workplace also gets killed.

4: The Rika scene. Rika goes to the house to take care of Sachie after the original caregiver disappears, and witnesses Kayako killing Sachie.

5: The Toyama scene. Detective Nakagawa is investigating Sachie's death and everything, and when he learns about Toshio, he and Igarashi get Toyama to help them with the case. Toyama had been on the Saeki family case 5 years earlier, investigating Toshio's disappearance. Toyama sees Kayako on the security camera video from Hitomi's workplace, realizes there's a curse, goes to the Saeki house to burn it down (notice him pouring gasoline around the kitchen), sees a vision of his daughter Izumi and her friends in the future, narrowly escapes Kayako (Nakagawa and Igarashi get killed in the process), goes insane and eventually gets killed. Hirohashi, Rika's boss, is also found dead in this scene. And Rika is being tormented by Kayako and Toshio.

6: The Kayako scene. Apparently this is several years later, because a radio in the Izumi scene mentions Rika being found dead, and Izumi was only a little girl at the time of the above scenes. Rika's friend Mariko is apparently working in the same school as Kobayashi was in the first movie, and Toshio is somehow registered as a student. He doesn't show up at school (since he's been dead for years), so Mariko goes to his house to find out why, and gets killed. Rika goes there to save her, and also gets killed.

7: The Izumi scene. Izumi has been to the house with some friends and seen her dad there in that little time warp moment in the Toyama scene. She got scared and ran away from the house, and her friends died there. She's gone insane, thinking they're coming back to get her. Which of course they are, and they do.

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Thanks so much Kawada you cleared a lot of things up for me! :)

You're right I haven't seen the original Ju-On films, I wasn't aware there were any but I just looked it up and it's called Ju-On: The Curse or something? I'll have to check them out, thanks :)

I'll have to watch this film again after you've put everything in order for me, should make sense now!

Just one last thing - about point 7 you made. When Izumi was going insane, weren't her friends with her trying to show her the photos and trying to calm her down? I thought they were the same friends who came back to get her. Was she just imagining talking to them or something? But that doesn't make sense, because her mother also spoke to them.

Thanks again

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Thanks so much Kawada you cleared a lot of things up for me! :)

You're right I haven't seen the original Ju-On films, I wasn't aware there were any but I just looked it up and it's called Ju-On: The Curse or something? I'll have to check them out, thanks :)

I'll have to watch this film again after you've put everything in order for me, should make sense now!
You're welcome! Glad to help. You'll enjoy the first two Ju On movies, I think. They're fantastic.
Just one last thing - about point 7 you made. When Izumi was going insane, weren't her friends with her trying to show her the photos and trying to calm her down? I thought they were the same friends who came back to get her. Was she just imagining talking to them or something? But that doesn't make sense, because her mother also spoke to them.

Thanks again
Different friends. I got the impression that Izumi wasn't really very close with the girls who died, maybe just hanging out with them to be cool because they were popular or something. One of the dead girls' names was Saori, but the ones who visited Izumi in her papered-up bedroom were Chiharu and (I think) Miyuki. Recall how, after Chiharu and Miyuki left the apartment, they looked at the photos and noticed that Izumi's eyes and the eyes of three other girls were messed up, kind of like in the photos of cursed people in Ringu if you saw that movie. Those three girls were the ones who died in the house and came back to Izumi's apartment.

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Ahh right ok then, thanks a lot

I can't seem to find the first two Ju-On films, do you know where I can get it? (preferably region 2)

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They are kind of hard to find. I don't think they've ever been officially released outside of Japan. I got all four Ju On movies from Cannibal King on eBay, who personally put the English subtitles on the Curse movies. But that was in 2005 and it doesn't look like he's doing it anymore. So I did a quick search and found these:

http://www.asianjunction.com/product.php?productid=16162&cat=248&a mp;amp;amp;page=3

http://www.asianjunction.com/product.php?productid=18305&cat=248&a mp;amp;amp;page=3

Those are the ones. It says they're all-region, and it says they have English subtitles. Hopefully they're as good as the ones from Cannibal King.

EDIT about two months after I posted this:
Damn, looks like my links no longer work for some reason.

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I don't know if you managed to get those movies yet, but if you didn't, I just found another site that sells them.

http://www.kurotokagi.com/

Go there and you'll find those movies in the Horror section.

Apparently the site is run by the same guy who I bought my copies of the 'Ju-On The Curse' movies from on eBay 6 years ago. So the DVDs are definitely good-quality.

"couldn't care less" = "don't care at all".
"could care less" = "care at least a little".

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I'm watching it now for the second time and admit it is a little confusing. Thanks for the timeline post. I hate all the good looking Japanese girls had to die.

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