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This film would be great! but the content is false!


As a Filmmaker, we always know where there is an opportunity to find good material, and definitively, the events before April 11 2002 in Venezuela and their consequences, were a stupendous opportunity, not just for one documentary film but for a complete saga.

I must to say this movie has no objectivity, and I think that in the field of documentary film making you should try to show all the facts, here all we see is an Idealized Chavez, a kind of hero, we don't see the two sides of the coin, to go even further, it is quite paradoxical that this documentary denounces the manipulation of the media against Chavez’s regime but what nobody seems to realize is that this so called documentary crew did exactly the same thing that they so strongly criticized of the Venezuelan Media, why? because they themselves believe in president Chavez, for that reason they show just what they want to show, the same as the Venezuelan Media who happen to not believe in Chavez’s regime.

Of course I cannot prosecute the beliefs of the filmmakers, in fact I find the technical level of the film really good, the only thing I ask of people who see this "Wonderful Film" do so with a pinch of salt and to think of it as the ever so popular “Reality TV”. For me it's just the kind side of a Tyrant.

By the way, it is my belief that they have put all the takes in which Chavez has been nice, but if this topic interests you I suggest that you go into the internet and look under Chavez where you will find that most of opinions regarding his persona are full of violations, lies, threats and mainly lack of tact. Reality check: the man was in prison for a fouled intent, to overthrow one of the previous Venezuelan governments.

I am Venezuelan, I didn't vote for Chavez because he has always seemed to me as a person with a very violent temperament, however when he won, I told myself "He won democratically, so I hope he makes half of what he says he will do". I am not a political specialist, I'm in theater and films, however Chavez has not completed 10% of what promised.

You be the judge

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Yes, these guys can make now the movie about how Fidel Castro and Hitler are the biggest competition of Mother Theresa when getting a place on Heaven...

This movie is based only on lies... that's the truth.

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May I ask what the lies are? I honestly don't know, so please point them out to me. This is the way that I viewed the film...
Chavez was democratically elected, the media manipulated his image and, when the coup occured, the media praised the new government. That is NOT democracy in action. I don't care if he hasn't been a good president, that's what elections are for. Also, could you give me a few examples of his lies or lack of leadership? The American media is just as good as yours is at manipulating the facts to make the leaders look strong, so nothing about the coup (or america's involvement) was mentioned.
For me, the most powerful image from this film was the thousands of people that took to the streets and demanded Chavez back in power. If he was such a bad leader, why did he have such a loyal following from the poor, especially if the media had a bias?
I am uneducated on the subject, and google searches have not been helpful.

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Dear Theelfpat,

I am deeply involved with Venezuelan affairs and would like to help set the record straight. Yes, you are right, coups d'etat are generally not a nice way of changing a government. That's exactly what democracy was invented for: as long as the parties that are not in power can see that they have a realistic chance of returning to it in the foreseeable time, they will not want or need to resort to violence.

When basic conditions of democracy (such as free and transparent elections, and the separation of the powers of the state) are not met, the parties that are not in power perceive that they no longer have a realistic chance of returning to government. That's when things can start turning nasty. That was precisely the situation in Venezuela in 2002, and it has still not changed.

The opposition is thwarted at every turn by Chávez's machinations. He has made a mockery of the separation of powers in the state; he controls not only the executive (which he is supposed to), but also the legislative and the judiciary. He also controls the mechanisms by which elections are held, and has used this power to frustrate the opposition's every attempt at removing him from office. The most recent attempt was the recall referendum on 15 August, which he claims to have won; however, there are so many question marks hanging over the process that I tend to disbelieve his assertion. (That's a long and complicated topic, too long to be discussed here.)

Anyhow, you asked to learn something about what was wrong with the film "Chavez - Inside the Coup". I've attached a few observations for you below; they were taken from http://www.petitiononline.com/gusano03/petition.html, a website with a petition against the further distribution of the film.

Regards,
John.

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· When showing the presence of presumed working classes in front of the Presidential Palace “Miraflores” on the morning of April 11, 2002, the film used images of a concentration that happened on a different day and in a different city in Venezuela, where people appear happily singing, with children, while that day members of the government were really convoking people aggressively to “defend the Revolution”. Later, in the same film, a clearly different platform can be seen to be in place in front of Miraflores on April 11.
· In the same segment, the voice of the narrator says that “… very early, the opposition concentrated in Chuao…”, but that text is edited with images of the opposition rally hours later, in another part of the city, where effectively the rally showed a greater pugnacity than at the beginning, although at no time were armed people seen. Indeed, to show the opposition rally, the filmmakers used only closed takes and horizontal angulations to avoid showing the gigantic magnitude of the rally, close to one million people, according to the abundant available audiovisual registries.
· The film makers responsible for this film ignored the “radio and TV cadena” of President Chávez on April 11 from 2:30 to 4:30 pm, during which the President spoke for almost two hours while in the surroundings of Miraflores, 21 Venezuelans were killed and more than 150 were wounded. In your country, these “cadenas” are not usual (Chávez used them 31 times between April 8 and April 11, 2002). They consist of forcing all the open signal TV channels and all radio stations, AM as well as FM, to link to the government channel (Venezolana de Televisión, Channel 8) to broadcast the same content. In the middle of this particular “cadena”, the private TV stations decided to divide the screen in two parts in order to show, simultaneously with the image of the President, the tragic events that were happening, and then the government jammed the signal of the private stations, an action that requires complex technical preparations to be done, revealing that the government had prepared this action in advance. Do you think that this sequence of facts, essential for the understanding of what happened in Caracas that day, and otherwise relevant images from every audiovisual point of view, could be ignored in an objective and responsible report of these events? Another important TV “cadena”, broadcasted at 2:15 p.m. on April 11, was omitted. There, the highest military chiefs, lead by general-in-chief Lucas Rincón, backed President Chávez. At that moment, the colossal opposition rally was arriving the surroundings of the presidential palace.
· The film insists that the President never resigned office. However, the military high command, led by General in Chief Lucas Rincón, the main military officer and current Secretary of Domestic Affairs of Chávez, broadcasted a statement by radio and TV at 3:20 a.m. on the morning of April 12, in which he announced that “... (the) President was requested to resign office, which he agreed to”. This fact leads us to two possibilities: (1) either General Rincón stated a truth that was accepted throughout the whole country (as a matter of fact, after that information, the President surrendered peacefully at Fort Tiuna, a military base several kilometers away, without any physical threat and escorted by soldier friends and priests), or (2) that General Rincón lied, because he was an accomplice of a coup d’état (however, that seems not to be the truth, because he is still one of the main men of Chávez). This singular event, known by all Venezuelans and of undeniable importance to reconstruct what happened that day, was simply ignored by the film makers. They only edited the exit of the President from the palace and immediately thereafter the announcement of Pedro Carmona – at 04:50 a.m. of April 12- of a new government. By the way, they did not include the historic images of Chavez’ arrival at Fort Tiuna, where he was amicably welcomed by several military chiefs and two bishops.
· The so called “case of the gun shooters on the Llaguno Bridge” is more complicated. Those who are not experts in audiovisual matters cannot have perceived what Eng. Wolfgang Schalk could notice and demonstrate. As you can remember, the images of a group of President Chavez’s supporters shooting from a bridge in the direction of the place where the opposition rally was coming became famous (the journalistic team that took the images was awarded the King of Spain’s Journalism Prize for this report). The film supported by you backed up the government “propaganda version” that those people were not shooting at any rally, and for this, film makers used images from an amateur video taken from a different angle than the one used by the journalistic team that won the prize in Spain. In this second video, the bridge and the avenue underneath are completely empty, without persons or rally walking and no person shooting from the bridge. Using a “shadow analysis” procedure similar to the ancient sun dials, Mr. Schalk showed that the images of this amateur video were taken from about 1:00 to 1:30 in the afternoon, when the opposition rally was not even near that location, while the images taken by the prize-winning journalists were taken between 4:30 and 5:00 in the afternoon, when the tragic events were indeed happening. If the film makers had access to that amateur video, they could have also shown the images of the same place three hours later, when tens of people could be seen running and falling dead or injured in the same avenue, which was empty before.
· We could prove an open lie in the film. They say that the signal of the state owned TV station was cut on April 11 by the “coup mongers” and even showed the effect of a noise interrupted TV image. Regarding this act, all Venezuelans know that on the night of April 11, 2002, a military officer supporting Chávez, who was assigned to the Venezolana de Televisión, Channel 8, government’s TV station, broadcasted a black image, announcing that the TV station was surrounded by hostile persons and that a column of “coup d’état troops” was advancing towards the station. Immediately thereafter, they left the facilities peacefully. The truth is that there was no hostile multitude and that “coup d’état troops” never arrived, for the simple reason that all the army men were in their quarters, none were on the streets. The doors of Channel 8 remained open and its facilities empty for almost an hour, until a group of reporters of Globovisión news station entered the place and showed us all the studios, offices and technical centers totally deserted. It was after that, that a group of officers of the Miranda State Police (the Venezuelan state where Channel 8 is situated) arrived in order to protect the facilities and equipment.
· Certain images were presented in the film as if they had happened before April 11, 2002, when in reality they were filmed, without written consent, three months later. This is the case of a neighbors meeting held in June 2002, with the aim of preparing defensive actions in the face of the threats made by the government through its “Bolivarian Circles” (groups of aggressive militants of the government’s party who frequently attack the opposition rallies with stones, sticks and even gunshots) of attacking the housing estates of Caracas where the opposition predominates. These neighbors, almost all of the were women, received self-defense training from a voluntary instructor in order to learn to defend themselves – in June 2002- from a presumed attack by the government supporting groups. In the documentary being sponsored by you, that scene was edited and presented as if it had happened in January that year, as a part of the presumed “coup d’état” climate promoted by “rich people” against Chávez. That scene, otherwise, gives a somber atmosphere and is preceded of a general view of the city at night and a luxurious building, as if to underscore the presumptuously subversive character of the meeting of “ladies of the high society”.
· The documentary was broadcast again by the BBC2, on October. In said broadcast, a detail was added: in the scene of the Neighbors Association, a title, that was not shown in any other previous version of the video: June 26, 2002. As this addition corresponds to the documented denounce that Mr. Wolfgang Schalk presented before you in a letter dated on July 2003, it is evident that the versions of the film are being corrected in order to try to remedy the severe faults to information ethics that are being denounced by us. Regarding this point, we wish to say that these corrections only confirm the authenticity of our exposures and do not in any way diminish the responsibility of the directors, the producers and your TV Corporation in the misrepresentation of the historic truth of the events happened in Venezuela. We have enough copies of the videos broadcasted in different countries and by the BBC in the past, to confirm said statements.
· This manipulation of mistaken images, dates and hours is presented throughout the entire film. For example, the film producers were devious in selecting the images of popular support to Chávez, when they used film clips taken in February 2000, when the support was undeniable, enthusiastic and massive. These film clips, which can be easily proven to be from the year 2000, are presented as being evidence of the current following of Chávez. It could not be different, because the film makers could not use current takes of the government supporting rallies, as these are now much reduced and unenthusiastic, attended for the most part by people who are paid to attend. This purposeful manipulation of times and events is aggravated by the claim of temporal exactness observed throughout the film, marked by subtitles indicating dates and even precise hours. The film makers falsely tell its viewers: “this is an accurate narration, with its clearly indicated days and hours.”
· The distortion of times is particularly atrocious in the sequences corresponding to April 11, 12, and 13. There, the movie changes irresponsibly the hours of the events, in order to build a report subordinated to its communicational project, which is no other than to sell the thesis of an “oligarch coup d’état, supported by the United States”. For example, it situates the statement of a group of generals and admirals at 3 pm of April 11, while this really happened at 6:21 pm, through the international channel CNN. The documentary talks about channel 8 going out of the air a little after 3 pm, while this happened (voluntarily, as we have already informed you) towards 10 pm. And neither did they show the “cadena” on 2:15 pm April 11 where the Venezuelan Military High command said that they were backing President Chavez, exactly the contrary of the story told in the film.
· There are many others of these manipulations, the enumeration of which would be very vast. However, the most severe cannot be obviated: the construction of a parallel edition of images and sounds of the inauguration speech of Pedro Carmona (who took over the transition presidency for a few hours, after Chávez’s exit) and images of police repression very close to the presidential palace, against alleged Chávez supporters protesting against the coup. The film tells us unequivocally: “while Carmona pronounced his inauguration speech, two blocks away the police was hitting and shooting against the people...” (there is even “voice over” of Carmona on the images of repression). You should know that this is completely false. On April 12, Caracas was normal; the only street demonstrations were made by some exalted opposition members in front of the Embassy of Cuba and in front of the houses of two or three leaders of Chávez government. It is truth that small government supporting groups posted themselves in the vicinity of the presidential palace on the afternoon of April 12, without disturbing the peace; however, their meaningful reaction started in the night of April 12 and the dawn of April 13, when they went out to the streets on the morning of that day. The scenes shown by the film of policemen dispersing demonstrators certainly happened on the morning of April 13. This disarrangement of times can not be considered to be an innocent film mistake, as it leads to totally erroneous conclusions regarding what happened in Venezuela those days.
· The movie presents the Venezuelan crisis as a confrontation between a white and corrupt privileged minority, and a black or mixed-blood, poor, healthy and happy majority, defended by President Chávez. This simplified scheme, which otherwise corresponds to the political and diplomatic speech of the government in all international forums, constitutes a shameful misrepresentation of the history, the sociology and the political present condition of Venezuela. In favor of the briefness, we will not abound with the details of a complex situation, requiring a more extensive intellectual development. Be, however, assured that, if the film makers of this movie had taken the trouble to investigate a little on this reality, the results of their film would have been very different to those that were presented. However, it is evident that they were not interested in deepening this topic, but in producing a biased, superficial and, to a great extent, untruthful document, with the propagandistic target that the Venezuelan government had given to it. On the other hand, there do not appear any European (Spaniards, Italians, Portuguese), Arabs, Asians and Latin American immigrants, who came to Venezuela and were integrated therein, in the most diverse productive sectors: industry, commerce, arts, etc.
· Abounding with the preceding point, it is important to emphasize the diverse, plural and multitudinous condition of those who in Venezuela democratically oppose President Chávez, which is completely ignored by the makers of this movie. If this were a question of a real research documentary – as prestigious TV chains like BBC, ZDF, RTE, Arte y NPS should demand – the film should show the amplitude and variety of this opposing sector, constituted, among others by the most important writers, artists, scientists, thinkers, jurists and professionals of the country, as well as millions of men and women of the working class, poor people who believed in Chávez and have been disappointed by his appalling government. However, film makers Kim Bartley and Donnacha O’Briain preferred to reduce the Venezuelan opposition to the false image of a group of rich women, worried about their privileges. They preferred to omit the gigantic opposition rallies, the magnitude of which has astonished the world since last year. If they had included them, they would have shown the ethnic and social diversity present during these demonstrations, with a predominance of mixed-blood people and poor people. You should also know that those presumed “rich ladies” are Venezuelan women who have fought for three years a beautiful and brave democratic battle in the streets of Venezuela, along with middle class and working class women, even though they have been several times attacked and humiliated by the mercenary bands of the government and the very armed forces. Because the political problem of Venezuela does not consist of the class or racial confrontation, as the government disseminates and shows in this documentary, but the confrontation between the democratic aspiration of the majority and the dictatorial project which the government is trying to impose on us.
· In order to secure their thesis of a military coup d’état on April 11, the commentator voice of the documentary refers to some military tanks “surrounding the presidential palace of Miraflores as a pressure step for the president to resign office”; simultaneously, the image shows them briefly, parked inside the presidential palace. In the version presented by NPS in the Netherlands they are shown longer, in the proper introduction of the film, while they advance on the highway, an image that was omitted in the Venezuelan version. We shall inform you that in reality the presence of these armored cars on the streets was due to an order given by President Chávez to his military chiefs in order to apply the so called “Ávila Plan”, a military operation consisting in the military forces acting to repress thousands of civilians that were on the streets at that time of the day. This fact is documented by a record of internal radio circuit of the army and was publicly acknowledged by Chávez in the days after April 13, 2002. Chavez’s order was disobeyed by most of the generals and troop commanders, to avoid a terrifying massacre as a consequence of the attack of armored troops against unarmed civilians and they ordered the tank column to return to the military base. Most of them stopped and went back to the barracks, but a group of 4 tanks went on to the presidential palace supporting the President; there, the doors were opened and they were parked there as fire power supporting Chávez. By the way, this disobedience of the generals – outraged in view of the mass murder that happened earlier that day in the surroundings of the presidential palace – was the cause of the authority crisis that – hours later – led to the resignation of Chávez and his peaceful surrender to the military chiefs, a complex problem that the government and the documentary simplify as a classical Latin American “coup d’état”. You will understand the coarse inversion in the narration of the facts that this means. The film makers, simply narrated the facts totally back to front of how they actually happened, omitting such crucial – and newsy – facts as the long recod of the radial communications between Chávez and several of his generals in a moment of extremely serious tension and national security crisis.
· We have chosen only the most relevant aspects of the audiovisual manipulation present in this documentary. There are many more, the enumeration of which could be presented to you in a

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Dear John Endres,

I don't believe a word you say (write), you are obviously biased and none of the "information" you provide is the least credible.

For the people that read this post I recommend you get some non-biased information from for example the BBC, this information shows both the good and the bad sides of Hugo Chavez and his government:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4035787.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3517106.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2790605.stm

Thank you.

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Brief comparison between previous statements re: Chavez and the current US situation:

<The opposition is thwarted at every turn by Chávez's machinations.>

Karl Rove's office quoted on the record by the NY Times as establishing the policy of not responding to criticism in the Gulf after hurricane Katrina, and making every effort to shift the blame to the satate and local officials.

<He has made a mockery of the separation of powers in the state; he controls not only the executive (which he is supposed to), but also the legislative and the judiciary.>

Chief Justice Roberts anyone?

<He also controls the mechanisms by which elections are held, and has used this power to frustrate the opposition's every attempt at removing him from office. The most recent attempt was the recall referendum on 15 August, which he claims to have won;>

Ohio 2004? Florida 2000? Flawed Diebold voting machines? No paper trail? Stop recounting those votes!!

<however, there are so many question marks hanging over the process that I tend to disbelieve his assertion.>

I know how you feel. :o\ But if y'all are gonna be Chavez haters for these reasons, seems to me there is someone a little closer to home you should be directing some of that venom at. ;o)

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Don't mind them, they are clueless... and forgot that even during the referundum the american watchdog were there... and said that there was nothing they could criticize about the refurundun,....

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Dear John Endres,
You are a living proof of propaganda.
We don't need you to copy/paste 100lines of rant. A link is good enough.

Dear John Endres, all I know is that you should read some history.
If you are naive enough to think that it is "random" that Carmona was president, then you have some serious problems.

I rememeber a certain Pinochet being back by the CIA ? Any comments on that ?
Remember Allende ? A deomcraticly elected president.

Give me a break... Just look how that dog of Powell clears his throats at the end.

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<i>The so called “case of the gun shooters on the Llaguno Bridge” is more complicated. </i>

In the film "Llaguno Bridge: Keys to a massacre" it is proven beyond doubt that the people shooting from the bridge where shooting at a police vehicle and the street below was empty.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=u9wU0OIIEmY

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"When basic conditions of democracy (such as free and transparent elections, and the separation of the powers of the state) are not met, the parties that are not in power perceive that they no longer have a realistic chance of returning to government."

Ok, so come 2006 Chavez wins the election with 63% of the vote and a high voter turnout(he is more popular than most democratically elected leaders with that percentage). Also, all of the polls had him ahead by a wide margin. 2007 Polls still have Chavez way ahead of his opposition. Despite your banter on how he is "controlling" everything, the people like Chavez and it's evident in independent polling and election results (which are deemed fair and free by international organizations).

Venezuela is FAR more democratic than the US and Chavez won by a much larger margin than Bush did. Chavez is not an enemy of democracy. If you support a coup against him then YOU are an enemy of democracy.

One last statement. Your signature is WAY TOO LONG.

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I love these guys who stand up for freedom and then want to have 'a petition against the further distribution of the film.'

But not to worry. I have no doubt that the CIA will manage to engineer the "freedom" of the Venezuelan people before too long.

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John, you say:

"The movie presents the Venezuelan crisis as a confrontation between a white and corrupt privileged minority, and a black or mixed-blood, poor, healthy and happy majority, defended by President Chávez."

...which is right. And then you go on and start speaking in tongues:

"This simplified scheme, which otherwise corresponds to the political and diplomatic speech of the government in all international forums, constitutes a shameful misrepresentation of the history, the sociology and the political present condition of Venezuela. In favor of the briefness, we will not abound with the details of a complex situation, requiring a more extensive intellectual development."

...giving yourself away. Go on now. Say. Who's paying you to write this mumbo-jumbo?

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I don't think we'll ever know the truth. The media definitely manipulates people. For an outsider like me, you could be right... they could be right... none of you can be right. Is there ANY objective documentation available, so outiders can decide for themselves.

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IlluSion the smartest man has spoken, obviously its you. Of course we will never know which is correct, where the fabrications are. Simply because pro-chavez groups paint a beautiful picture of him and inversely anti-chavez will paint a blantantly grim picture of him. Those "neutral" parties usually are neutral thus arent looking too much in depth aside from the already obscured evidence!!

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To Brian Souter and anyone else here who has a brain:

Thank you.

Most of the people on here claiming to be students in film or whatever else can barely even type or spell, showing themselves for the braindead fascist morons that they are. The BBC are renowned the World over for showing facts and events as they transpired, not for sugarcoating them - usually damning their own country in the process. They are among the most respected journos and doc makers in the World.

All of the anti Chavez rants on here are of the weakest arguments I have ever heard and do little to sway my opinion. If you believe Bush and his cronies' rhetoric then your mind is already made up, and I pity you.

Anyone with a brain can check the BBC links above for well written and bias free articles. Ignore that unreadable mass above. The guy is a twat.

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If you believe Bush and his cronies' rhetoric then your mind is already made up, and I pity you.

Agreed.

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to jkle-1

My name is Wolfgang Schalk, I am a Venezuela Electrical Engineer that happened to study TV Production and direction at the BBC in London in 1.981 and one of the things they stressed out more is the ethical standards of the BBC. My carrer in the TV industry for more than 25 years told me that "the revolution will not be tlevised" was different to the BBC produced documentaries.
I had many questions with no answers and so I made an investigation for more than a year and made a documentary called "X Rays of a lie" together with a filmmaker and a web based magazine which show clearly the many inconsistencies, out of context edits and pure lies in the film. It is a very good thriller film but not a documentary.
In 1.936 a great german filmmaker, Leni Riefensthal, also made a docuemntary. It won may international prizes. The name "the triumph of the will ( Das triumph des Willens).It shows a nazi rally in Nürenberg(Germany). Its perfect, it shows how Hitler is a good guy, that the "Hitler Jugend" is a Scout group and the nazi party is a great party!!!. Some of the scenes of Hitler´s speeches were made after the rally because the originals did not come out well. The secret of the success of this movie is that Leni created the "sense of reality" and the people that see it "think" that everything you see is real..
This is the same principle is used by the Irish couple that produced this film but with a twist. The secret is that they used real images ( to create the sense of reality) but they changed the order of events and/or places whre they happen. They use a scene made months after the event and place them before to give the story a new "angle". Also , some important events are missing and therefore the story changed.
To finish, I will inform you that this film of propaganda is released free in all the Venezuelan Embassies of the world as the "truth" of what happened in the year 2.000 in Venezuela. This is very strange because the docuementaries normally put the events it show with 2 sides and let the viewer form its own picture and therefore no government would use it because there would be always a sense of doubt in some place. But in the case of this film it does not happen.
The BBC is a co-producer of this film and its editorial controls are missing I hope someday they will accept this flaw and rectify as did the New York Times with the journalist Jason Blair in the Year 2003.

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I made an investigation for more than a year and made a documentary called "X Rays of a lie"


This is not an advertising board.

And no one gives a cent that you are an EE. That's not going to make your points sound more true.

You did not give ONE single fact from your rant.

If I was Chavez, I would put you in jail, and broadcast the video 24/7 on your face.

You see it is understandable that he puts this video in embassies. Everyone is saying evil on him 24/7 ... between the propaganda of the US, the idiocy of people like you and the lies of the private channels... what do you want him to do ?

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I guess a white venezuelan cant be expected to speak well of a mulatto leader. But at least dont lie so obviously. Chavez is one of the least violent leaders alive today. You notice the dictatorial opposition are still all alive.

Sorry honey but are you stupid? 80% of venezuelans ARE mulatto..wow(sarcasm) you REALLY are informed!

im not sure why you hate Chavez so much. Perhaps its because he actually does something for the poor of venezuela.

Yeah that's probably why during his government the unemployement rate has grown so much, and that's why during his government poverty has grown from an 70% to a 90%...Yeah, you can check a census if you have the pride to do so.

To infinity and beyond!!

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but that leaves 20 % pasty whites....and that 80% are the ones who voted in Chavez as president. Tough luck, honey!

My mom is mulatto, she didn't vote for Chavez. My grandmother in from French heritage, she is insanely white..she voted for Chavez. What's wrong with you? Jesus, why is people trying to create some kind of racist problem here? I am white and I am not poor(I'm not rich either so shut up) most of the people of my classroom are from middle class too, they didn't vote for Chavez and let me tell you that only me and two other women are the only white ones from that groups of 20 people.

I don't understand why people are trying to create hate from something that doesnt exist! Do you actually enjoy it?
And dear, my figueres are not incorrect..compare any census you want, you'll see I'm right...ANY worldwide census you like to check out and you'll see(anyone will see) that the statistic I pointed ARE right.

Oh by the way, Chavez won by 56 % of the votes...not 80%, so LOTS of "mulatto"(what's wrong?do you guys actually enjoy dividing people by their skin tone) voted for him also lots of poor people too.

Look for it at any source, I'm right...

To infinity and beyond!!

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Back up what you are saying.


Yeah that's probably why during his government the unemployement rate has grown so much


Do you even know anything about economy ?
http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/news.php?newsno=1531

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In Venezuela there are four networks which are against the government, so the information is pretty much manipulated.

My country is very bizarro, for example:

Some people say that chavez is a tyrant but when a guy arrives and auto-proclaims presisdent and start to dismisses judges and delegated becouse it's his will, then that's democracy!?

Some people say also that chavez is so badly that they proposed to leave Venezuela without Oil to export and gasoline for the country, later when they recognize that this was an error decide that the one that prevail of Oil and fuel was Chavez and not they!

They are more things.... The content of the documentary one is true, I lived it, I was in the streets of Caracas the 11, 12 and 13 oF April 2002, not like they, they have been put to write here on lies and the 13 of April were in their own houses seeing the cartoons that was on air by the four Venezuelan networks, trying to hide the truth.

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I don't think you have "little notion of culture and history"
First because you are kid, second because you probably don't know about Pinochet, Allende,.... the role of the CIA in south america.

Give us a break and go watch disney movies.

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