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if you´re not from Venezuela...


Things are better from the outside right????
Live here and you´ll see...

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So how are things up there?

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I'm actually living in Venezuela. In 2002, opposers to Chávez stopped the oil industry and generated loss of money to the country. They also did sabotage to some of the equipment of the state oil industry. The military took control and the oil industry started again. That was two months of zero exportings for the Country. The Economy was completely depressed. In 2003, Chávez started lots of new plans and the Economy grew up again. Right now in 2004, the country is exporting more oil than in 2002 and the prices are higher. The excedent are spent in social programs, namely "Misiones" like Misión Robinson, which alphabetized more than a million people, Misión Ribas and Sucre, which are giving people education in their own homes, Misión Barrio Adentro, which is putting at least one doctor in every humble neighborhood ("Barrios", like Brazilian Favelas) and so on. Economy is not good, there is inflation and unemployment, but financial institutions (national and international) agree that the actual plans are making a better economy. However, the political background is very heavy right now and people are polarized as pro-Chávez or opposers. In my opinion, politics are the only thing which is stopping the peace and progress in the Country. Greetings.

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... the Economy grew up again???? Who do you work for, Comedy Central???

In fact since Chavez took over Venezuela's Economy as done nothing but stall and decrease and is in negative points right now. Venezuela is the only Latin American country with negative economy having had the highest oil prices in decades (don't blame the Oil Strike but rather corruption and oil give-aways to assasin regimes like Cuba or Rwanda).

Chavez regime is the most corrupt and incompetent administration ever in Latin America. Levels of poverty have done nothing but grow and your beloved Misiones are nothing but a way to divert finds to ilegal paramilitar organization or bolivarian circles.

The matter of all facts is that Venezuela is a country hostage of its own creation: the Frankestein moster of indolenciy, stupidity, mediocricy and ignorance that is Hugo Chavez and most of his followers. And hostage since the government is cheating left and right to avoid the recall referendum forseen in his own constitution.

Screw Chavez and his fake revolution. The only things that has changed in Venezuela are the name of the counrty, the name of the thieves and the increase in the levels of corruption that allows the purchase of consciences like those the makers of this stink of a documentary.

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Please look first at the numbers at Banco Central, Caracas Stock Market and inflation, minimum wage, PDVSA's efficiency and so on before making an abstract opinion about economy. Economy is numbers. Numbers are science. Science is facts. Facts are there.

The so called "give away" is an international trade agreement with countries boycotted like Cuba. Thousands of cuban physicians are working in Venezuela thanks to this trade agreement. Venezuela's sport selections are being trained in Cuba and lots of people are sent every month to Cuba to receive surgery and training. More than a hundred young people have gone to Cuba to study medicine at Cuba's university. Are Venezuelans giving away something?

Please tell people in Argentina that the Chávez one is the worst government in Latin America. Families of those who died from hunger will kindly explain you a bit about corruption and poverty.

I am in need of documentation of paramilitar organization financement or bolivarian circles being armed. Please send them to me as soon as possible (I assume that you have lots of stuff about that)

Nevertheless, Venezuela is stalled because political discussion is everywhere, even in movie forums. Saying that Venezuela is a hostage is kind of bizarre. Everyone is able to do anything at Venezuela.

Warm greetings from Venezuela.

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Like I am writing from outspace. . . I am too In Venezuela. Although I kind of doubt you are after all this lala-land talk.

Please send me your address and I will kindly send you copies of documentation showing governmental support of the paramilitary circles in Venezuela, among other things. You ask me to send proof ASAP but you don't post an address. Neither have you private messaged me with your address...so how am I supposed to send you anything ASAP. Or you can wait for the documentary we are putting together to denounce all the filth and corruption of Chavez and his gangsters. And as you probably know and will never acknowledge, the ilegitimate goverment of Chavez that you so elocuently defend also supports the blood thirsty guerrillas in Colombia. Before denying this please read yesterday's cable where FARC spokeman once again supports Chavez.

Anyway. Having said this, please post the Central Bank figures as far as I can tell the accumulated Consumer Price Index for this year is 7.5 and THIS IS ONLY UNTIL APRIL. Tell about mimimum wage to the lady next to you in the grocery store. Don't lie here.

I don't need to go to Argentina. I just have to step outside and asked to dirty glue smelling child lying down in a dirty cardboard layer. Remember these kids? The same ones that Chavez bowed to protect, educate and get out of the streets or he would resign. Kids are still in the streets, more and more each day and Chavez is still in power. So much for an electoral promise!!! What about the indian mothers in downtown with their starving childs hanging from their sides. Why would I go to Argentina? What the hell are you talking about?

Venezuelans are giving away oil and money to Cuba. In return Chavez gets protection and training for the paramilitary circles. Aside from the fact that doctors and athelets could be very well trained in-house and not in that rotten little island. Cuba is robbing oil from Venezuela and reselling at price market. Doctors??? you have got to be kidding. you call doctors those poor guys desperate to leave Cuba or the Special intelligence forces that pose as such?

Anyone is able to do anything in Venezuela? Tell that to the goverment employees that signed the petition for the recall election and are now threatened to be fired or worse were already fired. Tell that to the people that can get a passport because they signed the same petition. Tell that to the merchants that have to bribe National Guards to do the most elementary activities of their trade.

Please sir don't lie, have some decency and let me have your address if you really need that documentation.

In the meantime, warm greetings from Caracas to you too.

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As some Chávez opposers, you have just typed what you really think about Venezuela. You said that tourists will be lucky if they get alive out of the country, that children smell glue at the streets and that this country is full of blood and guerrilla.

In other of your posts, you also say that, for a venezuelan who opposes Chávez, United States is "his country". Some opposers to Chávez, like Orlando Urdaneta, said that spanish made the venezuelan with their human waste.

That's what you really feel about the country. Please be critic.

There's nothing left to say. I've just pmed you my email address.

PD: Venezuela is one of the preferred caribbean destinations. The most important airport at Venezuela manages about 3.000.000 passengers, just internationally. The country is not just poverty. You will spend a great time here, contact your local travel agency.

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1. You haven't pmed your address. Don't be a liar. You do, I'll send you proof.

2. I haven't mentioned anything about tourists no being able to get alive out of the country. Don't put words on my mouth. The fact that I haven't mentioned any of this doesn't mean that the security situation in Venezuela isn't horrible.

3. Tell me that there are no kids sniffing glue, tell me that there are no kids beggin at all times in any street, in poor and rich neighborhoods. Tell me that Chavez didn't say that he would quit office if after one year in his presidency there were still kids in the street. I am no making this up. Is out there for everyone to see.

4. <<In other of your posts, you also say that, for a venezuelan who opposes Chávez, United States is "his country". Some opposers to Chávez, like Orlando Urdaneta, said that spanish made the venezuelan with their human waste>> What is all this?? You don't make much sense (I know my English isn't perfect but I make more sense that that). When did I ever said such a thing? I am not really sure what you are saying. We Venezuelans are a beautifull mix of all races, indian, black and Spanish. I am very proud of it. My great grand mother was a black lady and I have always been very proud of it. For your information though, I dislike the extremist oposition almost as much as I dislike Chavez. So do not put words in my mouth.

5. If there is nothing left to say, what is that stupid little PD thing full of lies. The preferred destination in the Caribbean Venezuela? Tell it to KLM that just cancelled is decades old flight to Maiquetia. The preferred destination in the Caribbean are Aruba and Saint Marteen. 3,000,000 passengers internationally. Maybe in your dreams or Chavez's. The truth is that Maiquetíá's traffic numbers are composed mostly by IN TRANSIT passengers. Hotels in Caracas are lagging and slipping to bankruptcy and Margarita as became a cave for terrorists. I don't need to contact any travel agency because I live right here in Catia and study in the Universidad Central.

Man you are such a liar. Shame on you. Still waiting for your private message.

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Hahaha, this joseparrella says people are able to do as they will in venezuela... people aren't even able to express their opinion through a referendum without being menaced by the government with losing their jobs.

In these last days a lot of things are happening, and the government is making a lot of moves that are very obviously dictatorial. I think they're finally dropping the democratic mask they were using.

He mentions the "irresponsability" of the 2 months "oil strike". Well, if he'such a chavez fan, then he must watch all the alo presidente programs, and then he must know that this strike was a "wise move" by chavez himself to get rid of all his oposers inside the industry. He said it himself... So how come they criticize it.

If he had been inside the oil industry, as I was, then he'd know that there was no choice production had to be stopped after the ships stopped, not doing so would be stupid and suicidal. Then the military came and made it impossible for all those not with the regime to enter the facilities. Also the "bolivarian circles", of course.

People in venezuela have been tortured for expressing their opinion. Don't forget that the march of april 11 that was savagely attacked by chavez's followers, and that started it all, was totally peaceful, I remember seeing it with so much emotion because it was so big (about 1,5 million people, in Caracas, a city of less than 5 millions), so peaceful and so full of joy. Of course that same thing upset chavez, and he ordered attacking the manifestation.

The subsequent "coup d'etat" was, in my opinion just another move by chavez's people to take off themselves the weight and international pressure from all the dead people in such a peacful and humongous march, and also to get rid of a lot of people that opposed the government, and to get to know which militars were with the government and which weren't. I believe so, because it's the only theory that makes sense. If the military took chavez out, they wouldn't place him back, no matter how many "authoritarian" measures carmona was making, because after all, he was placed there by them, and they could demand him to rectify, which he was actually doing before they took him out.

Well, typical of all chavez followers, to state that economy is great, etc. All lies, you don't have to watch the numbers to get a feel of how the econommy is doing, worse than ever, with the highest oil income of any government. Just go out in La Victoria, Valencia or Maracay and you'll get a feel of the situation, a lot of industries closed, and many moved to colombia, where it's safer, believe it or not.

The saddest thing for chavez, to conclude my letter, must be that he really proves that as bad as they were, in comparison "con AD se vivia mejor". And no, I've never been adeco.

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Obviously what we see here are message posters who are indoctrinated by the United States press into hating Chavez. The news reporting here in the USA is no better than the private news channels in venezuela controlled by the wealthy few.

Lets not forget that while Bush failed in venezuela to install his rich venezuelan friends into government, he did succeed in haiti, knocking off a popularly elected president. The irony is that Aristide was more popular than bush, netting 55% of the vote in the 2000 haitian election while George W. Bush got only 50% in his 2000 USA election.

The usa has a long history of knocking over governments. We don't even deny anymore that we overthrew the chilean government in 1973, and actually overthrew the australian government once. What kind of ally are we when we knock over our own friends?

I'm sure many Chavez haters also miss the wonderful Batista regime of Cuba, or Jose Marti. The good old days when the italian mafia used cuba as a base of operations. The people rejoiced, ha.

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So what you're saying is since US hates Chavez and you hate the US (or what it may represent to you) then you must like Chavez!, in fact a large part of Chavez's speech is based on that. To Chavez the end justifies the means, but what end? for the past 6 years or so, it's all been empty promises. Facts? this is the most corrupt government in venezuelan history. Freedom of speech, human rights? Just take a look at the Human Rights Watch site and see the reports. Look at the OPEP productions numbers, and let's not talk about Pdvsa, it's balance is now more mysterious than ever, no one knows where money goes (or they dare not say!). More than half of all industries have closed doors in the past 4 years of so, if that's economic improvement to the venezuelan government, we're screwed for sure. I've never been with any political faction, but if I were a Chavez sympathizer I'd be thinking again to support him, I mean, let's forget the "war" between political factions and see what's become of Venezuela in the past years. Then with the hand on heart make your decision on what you want for your future.

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Why do you have to be so arrogant? Why does it always have to be about the USA? Why isn´t possible that us Venezuelans are the ones sick and tired of the insane leader we have? You know, I hate Bush and his stupid war as much as many of you, but that doesn´t mean I have to like Chávez for opposing Bush and his politics. I hate hardcore right wing republicans as much as I hate Chávez and his stupid "Bolivarian Circles".
It´s true, maybe the news you get from Venezuela aren´t the most impartial, it´s true, most of the private Media in Venezuela oppose Chávez and maybe they´re not the most balanced, and that´s exactly why you have to be here and live it for yourself to really form an opinion. The situation is far more complicated than just socialists vs capitalists. Chávez is not even a socialist!! even less a communist, he is far too stupid to have intelectual and sensitive ideas as the ones communists had in their time.
And about this documentary, which is what the whole thread is about, it´s just a propaganda film paid by the goverment. I was there that day, I was right in front of the Government Palace and I saw who shot who. And you know, it´s true that shots were made from our side, as well as from their side. I saw the metropolitan police shooting their fire arms, but I also saw CIVILIANS supporting the government shooting at them and US at the demonstration, it was simply a civil war. There´s no black and white in this problem, there´s just a matter of conscience, common sense and years of corrupted politics that isn´t over. WE are the only ones who can understand the problem and WE are the only ones whoe can get out of it. We don´t need Bush and we don´t need Fidel.

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Apparently the Venezuelan people take a different view...

"Chavistas" have been celebrating outside the presidential palace
President Hugo Chavez has claimed a "victory for the Venezuelan people" after the release of results indicating he won a referendum on his rule.
Officials from the National Electoral Council said that, with 94% of ballots counted, Mr Chavez had 58% of the vote.

Opponents rejected the partial results as a fraud, insisting they had won.

But it now seems clear the opposition desire to force him from office failed as previous attempts did, the BBC's James Menendez in Caracas says.

There was a large turnout for the vote, in which Venezuelans were asked whether Mr Chavez should serve out the remaining two-and-a-half years of his term.

Had he lost, fresh presidential elections would have been called in 30 days.

'Unassailable lead'

The high turnout in Sunday's referendum meant some people queued all day and authorities were twice forced to extend voting hours.

In the early hours of Monday morning members of the electoral council, the CNE, announced that preliminary results put Mr Chavez a clear 16 points ahead of his opponents.

CNE president Francisco Carrasquero said the results meant Mr Chavez should remain in office until January 2007.

PRELIMINARY RESULTS
For President Chavez: 58.25% (4,991,483 votes)
Against President Chavez: 41.74% (3,576,517 votes)

Though Mr Chavez has not yet been declared the outright victor, his lead is virtually unassailable.

The opposition had not only to secure an absolute majority but also more votes than the 3.76 million Mr Chavez received in the 2000 elections.

Fireworks exploded across the capital Caracas before dawn.

There were wild scenes outside Miraflores presidential palace, where Mr Chavez serenaded thousands of cheering supporters from a balcony.

"It is absolutely impossible that the victory of the 'no' be reversed," Mr Chavez said.

"This has been a great victory for the Venezuelan people."

Mr Chavez also promised stability on Venezuela's oil market - an important assurance for international watchers, given Venezuela's position as one of the world's biggest oil exporters, say correspondents.

The results came as a shock to the opposition, which only hours before had appeared beaming before reporters, after their own private exit polls put them ahead.

Mr Chavez's opponents are dismayed by the preliminary results
"One cannot consider as official the partial results which part of the CNE leadership wants to announce," said Sobella Mejia, one of the electoral council's five members.

A spokesman for the Democratic Co-ordinator opposition coalition, Henry Ramos Allup, said fraud and "gross manipulation" had taken place.

"We categorically reject the results," he said.

Our correspondent says commentators are waiting to hear the verdict of international observers, including former US President Jimmy Carter and the Organization of American States.

They monitored the referendum and so far have appeared satisfied.

Repeated challenges

Venezuela was polarised by the surprise victory of Mr Chavez - Venezuela's first president from an indigenous heritage - in presidential elections in 1998.

His opponents, who are mostly white, middle-class and control most of the media and business, say he is authoritarian and has managed a rich economy badly.

Despite the country's oil wealth, 80% of Venezuelans are poor but Mr Chavez has won the hearts of many with extensive school and health programmes, analysts say.

The opposition has fought a tireless campaign to see him ousted. Mr Chavez survived a short-lived coup in April 2002 and a two-month strike that badly damaged the economy later that year.

The referendum was activated after the opposition collected signatures from 20% of the population - a recall mechanism inserted into the Venezuelan constitution by Mr Chavez in 1999.

If his victory is confirmed, it will be the eighth time Mr Chavez has won public approval of his rule and his policies, after two presidential elections and six referendums.

Observers say this referendum is unlikely to put an end to the conflict. They warn that in fevered Venezuela violence is never far away.

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Wolo - you are absolutely correct. To some extent, the same phenomina that has been occurring in Venezuela has been occurring here in the USA. The uneducated and/or ignorant tend to latch on to whoever has the loudest voice and simplest message. It doesn't matter if the message is true or false, it's all about good old fashioned fire-brand "in your face" dictatorial tough talking.
When I married my wife, a Venezuelan, in Merida back in 1997, $1 USD would buy about 400 bolivares. Today, 6 years later, on the black market, you can get nearly 3,000 bolivares per dollar. Chavez' economic ingnorance is incredible - thinking he can control an economy by placing artificial controls on its currency! Promises, promises. He talks so much and so long, its hard to know what he hasn't promised the poor (which by U.S. standards amounts to about 90% of the nation). And the poverty striken masses continue to buy his crap year after year, election after election. Of course, the election angle helps when the government employs nearly half of all those working. That makes for an easy campaign for the incumbant - vote for me or you lose your job.
It's no different here in terms of politics. True, economic conditions are about a thousand times better, but the political corruption, if left unchecked, could cause crisis here also. Bush's nazi like policies of divide, demonize and exclusion along with his campaigns of misinformation while he attacks not so innocent sovereign nations to divert attention from his own shortcomings is similar to Chavez' "us vs them" rhetoric. Chavez and Bush are actually cut from the same mold. The only difference is that one has more means than the other. The U.S., like Venezuela, is on the verge of re-electing a corrupt moron who veils his adgenda under the guise of Christianity - grabbing the moral high ground while pushing policies of war and hate. It amazes me that we learned nothing from 1930's pre-war Germany - a place where a minority leader (Hitler) rose to power, divided a people through hate and fear, scapegoated and then pursued a policy of pre-emptive war against defenseless neighbors. The alternatives to the incumbants are weak for both nations. Does Venezuela return to the days of the entitled? Where the key to financial freedom is based upon a "who you know" and how much are you willing to bribe that official (of course, those days are still here)? Who's the opposition's candidate, the "other guy"? Our other guy is John Kerry who has been demonized for returning from war in Vietnam and telling the truth about what was happening there. Yes, he has been labeled by the administration in Washington (who lied and lied and lied to the American people as well as the UN about the so-called threat in Iraq) as unloyal - and the American people are buying it! Amazing, lie, attack a sovereign nation, cause the deaths of thousands, and you're a leader. And for those who actually go to the front lines, fight, witness the atrocities, return and reveal the truth of the insanity, and you're demonized. What's going to happen in Venzuela - more of the same I'm afraid - runaway inflation, greater class divide, a tougher life for all. Good luck to you.

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Simon-109, why do you hate democracy so? I take it you are very rich and have spent your entire life not giving a damn about the 80% of your country-men and women who live in poverty? If you really think that the state of Venezuela is entirely Chavez's fault, then fool be you. Take a look at http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/ for official documents on how the US continually intervenes in Latin American politics and economy to their own advantage - and the advantage of the 15% of people like you who benefit from the misery of the 80%. What sort of human are you.

Lafey24 - you are certainly wrong in one sense about Chavez and Bush - the former had a far far greater vote than Bush. Oh yes, and Chavez is trying to help the poor 80% instead of the rich 1% that Bush is giving tax breaks to against the interests of the majority.

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spit at Chavez as much as you will
It's still a fact that he just can't be worse than the fascist "democratic" opposition.
Unless you're a White middle/upper class fascist yourself that is.

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Good on you - savagesteve13

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Good Things Happening in Venezuela April 04, 2005
By Michael Parenti

Even before I arrived in Venezuela for a recent visit, I encountered
the great class divide that besets that country. On my connecting flight
from Miami to Caracas, I found myself seated next to an attractive,
exquisitely dressed Venezuelan woman. Judging from her prosperous aspect, I anticipated that she would take the first opportunity to hold forth against President Hugo Chavez. Unfortunately, I was right.

Our conversation moved along famously until we got to the political
struggle going on in Venezuela. "Chavez," she hissed, "is terrible,
terrible." He is "a liar"; he "fools the people" and is "ruining the
country." She herself owns an upscale women's fashion company with
links to prominent firms in the United States.

When I asked how Chavez has hurt her business, she said, "Not at all."
But many other businesses, she quickly added, have been irreparably damaged
as has the whole economy. She went on denouncing Chavez in sweeping terms,
warning me of the national disaster to come if this demon continued to=20
have his way.

Other critics I encountered in Venezuela shared this same mode of
attack: weak on specifics but strong in venom, voiced with all the ferocity of those who fear that their birthrights (that is, their class advantages) are under siege because others below them on the social ladder are getting a slightly larger slice of the pie.

In Venezuela over 80 percent live below the poverty level. Before
Chavez,most of the poor had never seen a doctor or dentist. Their children
neverwent to school, since they could not afford the annual fees. The
neoliberal market "adjustments" of the 1980s and 1990s only made things
worse, cutting social spending and eliminating subsidies in consumer goods.

Successive administrations did nothing about the rampant corruption and
nothing about the growing gap between rich and poor, the growing malnutrition and desperation. Far from ruining the country, here are some
of the good things the Chavez government has accomplished:

- A land reform program designed to assist small farmers and the
landless poor has been instituted. Just this month (March 2005) a large landed
estate owned by a British beef company was occupied by agrarian workers
for farming purposes.

- Education is now free (right through to university level), causing a
dramatic increase in grade school enrollment.

- The government has set up a marine conservation program, and is
taking steps to protect the land and fishing rights of indigenous peoples.

- Special banks now assist small enterprises, worker cooperatives, and farmers.

- Attempts to further privatize the state-run oil industry - 80 percent
of which is still publicly owned---have been halted, and limits have been placed on foreign capital penetration.

- Chavez kicked out the U.S. military advisors and prohibited
overflights by U.S. military aircraft engaged in counterinsurgency in Colombia.

- "Bolivarian Circles" have been organized throughout the nation,
neighborhood committees designed to activate citizens at the community
level to assist in literacy, education, vaccination campaigns, and
other public services.

- The government hires unemployed men, on a temporary basis, to repair
streets and neglected drainage and water systems in poor neighborhoods.

Then there is the health program. I visited a dental clinic in Chavez's
home state of Barinas. The staff consisted of four dentists, two of
whom were young Venezuelan women. The other two were Cuban men who were
there on a one-year program.

The Venezuelan dentists noted that in earlier times dentists did not
have enough work. There were millions of people who needed treatment, but
care was severely rationed by the private market, that is, by one's ability
to pay. Dental care was distributed like any other commodity, not to
everyone who needed it but only to those who could afford it.

When the free clinic in Barinas first opened it was flooded with people
seeking dental care. No one was turned away. Even opponents of the
Chavezgovernment availed themselves of the free service, temporarily puttingaside their political aversions.

Many of the doctors and dentists who work in the barrio clinics (along with some of the clinical supplies and pharmaceuticals) come from Cuba.
Chavez has also put Venezuelan military doctors and dentists to work in
the free clinics.

Meanwhile, much of the Venezuelan medical establishment is vehemently
opposed to the free-clinic program, seeing it as a Cuban communist
campaign to undermine medical standards and physicians' earnings. That low-income people are receiving medical and dental care for the first time
in their lives does not seem to be a consideration that carries much
weight among the more "professionally minded" practitioners.

I visited one of the government-supported community food stores that
are located around the country, mostly in low income areas. These modest establishments sell canned goods, pasta, beans, rice, and some produce
and fruits at well below the market price, a blessing in a society with widespread malnutrition.

Popular food markets have eliminated the layers of middlemen and madestaples more affordable for residents. Most of these markets are run by
women. The government also created a state-financed bank whose function
is to provide low-income women with funds to start cooperatives in their communities.

There is a growing number of worker cooperatives. One in Caracas was
started by turning a waste dump into a shoe factory and a T-shirt
factory. Financed with money from the Petroleum Ministry, the coop has put about
a thousand people to work. The workers seem enthusiastic and hopeful.

Surprisingly, many Venezuelans know relatively little about the worker0
cooperatives. Or perhaps it's not surprising, given the near monopoly
that private capital has over the print and broadcast media. The wealthy
media moguls, all vehemently anti-Chavez, own four of the five television
stations and all the major newspapers.

The man most responsible for Venezuela's revolutionary developments,
Hugo Chavez, has been accorded the usual ad hominem treatment in the U.S.
newsmedia. An article in the San Francisco Chronicle (12 September 2004) described him as "Venezuela's pugnacious president." An earlier
Chronicle report (30 November 2001) quotes a political opponent who calls Chavez
"a psychopath, a terribly aggressive guy."

The London Financial Times (12 January 2002) sees him as "increasingly
autocratic" and presiding over something called a "rogue democracy."

In the Nation (6 May 2002), Marc Cooper---one of those Cold War
liberals who nowadays regularly defends the U.S. empire - writes that the democratically-elected Chavez speaks "often as a thug," who "flirts
with megalomania." Chavez's behavior, Cooper rattles on, "borders on theparanoiac," is "ham-fisted demagogy" acted out with an "increasinglyautocratic style." Like so many critics, Cooper downplays Chavez's accomplishments, and uses name-calling in place of informed analysis.

Other media mouthpieces have labeled Chavez "mercurial," "besieged," "heavy-handed," "incompetent," and "dictatorial," a "barracks populist," a"strongman," a "firebrand," and, above all, a "leftist." It is never explained what "leftist" means.

A leftist is someone who advocates a more equitable distribution of
social resources and human services, and who supports the kinds of programs
thatthe Chavez government is putting in place. (Likewise a rightist is
someonewho opposes such programs and seeks to advance the insatiable
privilegesof private capital and the wealthy few.)

The term "leftist" is frequently bandied about in the U.S. media but
seldom defined. The power of the label is in its remaining undefined,
allowing it to have an abstracted built-in demonizing impact which precludes rational examination of its political content.

The leftist Hugo Chavez whose public talks I attended on three
occasions proved to be an educated, articulate, remarkably well-informed and well-read individual. Of big heart, deep human feeling, and keen intellect, he manifests a sincere dedication to effecting some salutary changes for the great mass of his people, a man who in every aspect
seems worthy of the decent and peaceful democratic revolution he is leading.

Millions of his compatriots widely and correctly perceive him as being
theonly president who has ever paid attention to the nation's poorest
areas. No wonder he is the target of calumny and coup from the upper echelons
in his own country and from ruling circles up north.

Chavez charges that the United States government is plotting to assassinate him. I can believe it.

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Michael Parenti's recent books include Superpatriotism (City Lights)
andThe Assassination of Julius Caesar (New Press) which was nominated for
a Pulitzer Prize. His forthcoming book, The Culture Struggle will be published by Seven Stories Press in the fall of 2005. For more information on Parenti, visit his website: www.michaelparenti.org.

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This is the problem with private media and capitalism. It is NOT in the best interests of private media to favour socialism. Look at the United States and their private media. It's a joke. They support everything their government does because their government is a puppet to large corporations.

The US media coverage of the Iraq war was a joke, they believed every word coming out of the White House. They don't question the statements being made on Iraq, Iran, etc. In regards to Venezuela they only showed the protests against the RCTV decision but did not show the massive rally in support of Chavez. THATS MEDIA BIAS. They spend a great deal talking about Anne Nicole Smith, Don Imus, and Paris Hilton (because it means profits). They promote military weaponry because they have deals with the military industry.

The US citizens are probably the most uninformed public and this is largely due to their media. Private media is a joke because they don't act in the interests of the public, they act in the interests of their shareholders and business partners.

This is why you still have a percentage of people who believe Iraq was involved with 9/11.

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It would be interesting to watch the movie NOW in 2012, and to start this postings all over again, 8 years later... It would be very obvious who was right in 2004... Saludos

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That's not true. Venezuela is experiencing economic growth like never before. regarding corruption, this is not the most corrupt administration in Venezuela, it is as corrupt as usual. The problem with corruption is not chavez, it is venezuelan people in general.

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<<<<Venezuela is experiencing economic growth like never before.>>>>

what is this?? comedy central? lol!!

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<<<... the Economy grew up again???? Who do you work for, Comedy Central???

In fact since Chavez took over Venezuela's Economy as done nothing but stall and decrease and is in negative points right now. Venezuela is the only Latin American country with negative economy having had the highest oil prices in decades (don't blame the Oil Strike but rather corruption and oil give-aways to assasin regimes like Cuba or Rwanda).

Chavez regime is the most corrupt and incompetent administration ever in Latin America. Levels of poverty have done nothing but grow and your beloved Misiones are nothing but a way to divert finds to ilegal paramilitar organization or bolivarian circles.

The matter of all facts is that Venezuela is a country hostage of its own creation: the Frankestein moster of indolenciy, stupidity, mediocricy and ignorance that is Hugo Chavez and most of his followers. And hostage since the government is cheating left and right to avoid the recall referendum forseen in his own constitution.

Screw Chavez and his fake revolution. The only things that has changed in Venezuela are the name of the counrty, the name of the thieves and the increase in the levels of corruption that allows the purchase of consciences like those the makers of this stink of a documentary.>>>


AMEN!!! you tell 'em, simon!

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perfect words brittfan...That was beautiful....people are far from knowing what communism is, we are falling down again and history is going to repeat again and again if we keep this on, it's sad to know the ignorance of the world and especially the ignorance of the young people.

If anything in this life is certain, if history has taught us anything, it is that you can kill anyone.

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I'm tired of people labeling you as a Bush lover if you say you don't like Chavez....Or labeling you as a Chavez lover if you say you don't like Bush....... Chavez and Bush are the same *beep* wearing different disguises and they both use each other to help and further their plans.

Bush and his people say Chavez is a communist and a great danger for democracy in latin america(wich I think is true)just to justify themselves if in a future they decide to invade Venezuela for Its oil and to Use Chavez as an excuse for the high gas prices in the USA. I saw on the news (in USA) somebody saying that oil prices were so high because there are people like Chavez threating to stop selling oil to the country.

And there're people that believe this!

Oil prices are NOT high because there is a war going on, or because so many americans choose to drive huge oversized ugly SUVs, or because Oil companies are getting richer and richer while middle class and poor people in america are beeing crushed., or because of the fact that we are running out of oil...NO! It's because of Chavez.....yeah right!

Chavez and his people know this is beeing said in USA and use this as an excuse to turn the people against the empire(well learned from his mentor Fidel Castro...although I agree you can't let the welthy countries make you play by their rules that mostly favor them)and to arm their army (Not Venezuela's army... that doesn't exist any more...chavez army)more than ever to in that way create and extremely powerfull one...for what?....a possible war with Usa?...I don't think so.
To install fear in the Venezuelan people. If you don't believe this explain to me why Chavez in his own tv show had a party....yes a Party. a celebration to show off the thousands of new Russian rifles he got. The president of a "democratic" nation in military clothes with a huge rifle in his hands on TV.

I've tried to forget the fact that Chavez (like bush) doesn't even know how to speak properly.ve tried to forget his ignorance and think...maybe I'm wrong....maybe he is right...But then....I see the country I love so much sinking in poverty and crime and I think....Chavez has been in power for almost 9 years and he hasn't been able to do anything about this?..in fact...its worse than ever.Why it is that if he cares about poor people poverty is higher than ever in Venezuela....
Why does he epend so much money arming his army for a phanton war when there's a war going on inside Venezuela. More people die per week because of crime in Venezuela than in the war in Iraq and he spends 80 times more in the army than in the police sistem. why?

People, we have to stop going blindly to ours party side just because its our party and we don't like the other one. Even I really good friend of yours can do things you don't like and hurt you.
At the end we should follow people for what they do and the results they get. Not because he says he is something or because he doen;t like somebody you don't like either.

Think freely!

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All of you Chavez lovers who are so excited that he is such a sworn enemy to Bush should know that Venezuela still is one of the main oil-providing countries to the US. All his supposed Anti-Imperialist talks against your country are pure bu*lsh*t to help him gain popularity in the poor majority in Venezuela who have been brainwashed into thinking the US are the cause of all evils here.

"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room."

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balls

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They come from the bowels of hell. A transformed race of walking dead.

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Por que si son tan venezolanos todos no hablan en castellano pedazo de guevones ... :)

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¿No será porque el imdb.com está en inglés?

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You are right. The US is behind all the corruption, crime and poverty in Venezuela. The goverment of Venezuela has no responsability of anything bad that happens in Venezuela.

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The US actually shares a lot of the blame for the situation in some Latin American countries but obviously not all of it.

They have supported many coups and dictatorships that have done a lot of wrong to their people and they have supported many right-wing capitalist governments who have only exploited the people and sold their resources to foreign corporations and instead of installing a true free-enterprise system they've used their power to get richer while people suffer hunger and misery.

Latin Americans are not stupid. They can see all this. And that's why they're so resentful of american influence there and that's why they've turned to the left.

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To those who live in Venezuela:
I write this in Eglish not because I am not Venezuelan but simply because I want this message to be understood by all of the forum viewers. Furthermore, this tread started in English and it is a matter of plain courtesy.
I imagine that whenever you started reading this (I mean the whole discussion) you felt in need of responding to those who have a different opinion. Well, I am very sad that some of those who expressed themselves did so 2 years ago, when we still had some kind of democracy here in Venezuela.
I love this country and I really wanted to stay here and live my Venezuelan life, but it seems less possible everyday. Chavez has made of Venezuela his own arena in which he is the victim, judge, and jury, and there is nothing we can do about it. He has taken control of almost every institution in the country, and if it was not possible for him, he created a parallel one, which made the original one dissapear (CTV, Fedecamaras, the Congress...). He insists in calling his opposers "golpistas" when he did attempt to overthrow Carlos Andrés Pérez, not by fighting his fight, but through the blood of young Venezuelan militaries. He is the president of his partidaries, not of all Venezuelans. He intimidates and breaks every rule he claims the "Oposición" breaks, and in such a cinical way that it makes me want to cry. He made an intimidation campaing for the last elections, which obviously brougth its results, and made it all in front of the public opinion, because there is nothing anyone can do to stop him, since he controls all the judicial system. Nowadays "our" new vice-president is Jorge Rodrígueza, former CNE (National Electoral Counsil) president, who allowed Chavez to do everything he wanted to pull back the referendum and to go ahead with the elections under all of Chavez's terms. HE IS GOING TO CLOSE RCTV, a network that is going to be punished because it broadcasts an opinion show that is not with the bolivarian revolution... one show, the son of a ... Additionally, he questions the media all the time, because of the opposision propaganda, when all of the so called oposision networks have a great variety in their programs (soup operas, tv shows, music, news, opinion, variety shows), and if you watch Venezolana de Televisión, a network paid by Venezuelans!! it shows everything in red, all Chavez all the time, they do not even have ads, so all of their funds come from OUR MONEY. When you go to the movies you have to watch 2 or 3 bolivarian ads (PROPAGANDA), PAID, ONCE AGAIN BY OURSELVES. If you ever confront a chavista he feels he is above the law and you better go elsewhere.
I have so much more to say, but I think I am boring you, because I am telling you things that you already now, it is our everyday live, I am not talking about economy and figures (science, someone said), I am talking about my life and how Chavez changed it because he wanted to. I have to get out of this place, because I do not feel respect from my employee, the one that has to work for me, for my welfare.

To those who do not live in Venezuela:
If you ever lived in Venezuela under this regime I imagine that is why you left. If you have never been here, take it from a Venezuelan, what you hear is never going to be the whole truth, you have to ask, and please ask.

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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3378761249364089950


SEE THE LIES! please

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porfavor nomas ocupe ver los primeros 40 segungos en cuanto salio el pseudo señor wolfgang deje de verlo.... es un conocido de ultra derecha fasista neo liberal burguesista.... como voy a ver un documental de alguien asi????

es como ver un documental donde Bush empieze a defender la derecha y el neo liberalismo... wow antes de postear algo fijate de quien es... porque si no estas informado no cagues el palo...


and in english just for the other people... this video this guy here posted is not a way to see things.. the authur Wolfgang is a known rightst extremist, a complete slave of the neo liberal circles, so we cant really rely on the information there because its not impartial so dont be fooled please.

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That's great... you don't watch or listen to someone who doesn't share your thoughts... I imagine that's your way to create your own reality in which everything is the way you want it to be... so sad, so lame... I hope people around the world think differently. It is a sign of ignorance turning your back to information just because you don't share its point of view...
I guess you defend movies, propaganda, and information spread by the goverment about the goverment...

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As long as the U.S. government keeps its greedy oil-stained hands off Latin America, I think the region will have a fighting chance at peace and democracy. I think it's too early to see what Chavez does and hopefully he will maintain the spirit of the old days: hope and opportunity for the poor. Hopefully, Americans will elect Barack Obama who is one of the only candidates to say what needs to be said right now: The U.S. must stop bully tactics and start discussing issues like civilized people.

"Machete" Narrator: This Time... They *beep* With The Wrong Mexican!

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you are such an idiot, Chavez lost the referendum because him and his people are the new bourgeoisie class. Naive idiot.

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Chavez lost the referendum because people wanted to maintain the democracy he created. The changes he brought to Venezuela are so important, they override even his own power. We should support Venezuelans in their push for greater inclusion for the poor and minorities and more power in foreign negotiations. The days of the U.S controlled elite in Venezuela and Latin America are over.

"Machete" Narrator: This Time... They *beep* With The Wrong Mexican!

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Looks like cancer is going to get him before the Venezuelan people do.

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