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Its end (Don't read if u havent seen it)


Hey,everybody!
Howz life? good?
Anyway, i saw this movie yesterday with my friends. But, No one understood its end.
So, Can anyone explain to me its end?

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The end as I understand, is retaliation for what happened to him earlier. When Clark escaped and was run over by the head honcho, he studied and came back to sort himself out. As I see it, he was the one to commit the murders but what strikes me as weird, is how he went on to another institution at the end.

Does anyone agree or have other opinions?

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Well yeah, he killed the real intern, and took hes spot instead. Clark/Ben killed those people, for revenge of hes bad thretment while hes was a patient there, and becouse Franks, or what his name was, ran over him and didntt care.

And.. the wery end, where Clark/Ben enters the other institute, well my gues is that when he wraped up in the first place and got his revenge he maybe thought why not go on and check out the other institutes too.
In case there might be more "madhouses", and make "changes for the better" there too.

Sorry about my english, its a bit sh**ty...
Think you can still understand my point.

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Good points. It's also possible that he may have spent some time in that other institution (shown at the very end), and he was going back to wreak some havoc there, too (judging by the way he looked at the two orderlies who walked past him).

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What happened was, when he got run over, he came back to the insitute to take revenge, he says he has to get rid of the memories their, because they couldn't help him, so im thinking that when he went to the other institute right at the end, im guessing he was transferred to several institutes, and they couldnt help him either, so he's just getting revenge by killing them all, to finally sort out his life, besides it did say he suffered from a multiple personality disorder

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yeah, i agree, the ending isn't too good, it doesn't make much sense with the storyline, but if you rent the dvd, the original ending makes much more sense with wat this movie was trying to say

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I got the feeling he had been from one hospital to another as a child and that Cunningham was not his first and Stites was not his last.

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After seeing him go on to the next institution my take on it was that it was a lie that he was at Cunningham and he is just insane. I would have liked it better if it hadnt have been for that ending; it diminishes everything that he did throughout the film. It takes away the motive that he had established. The ending just makes it look like he is a liar through and through

Exterminate all rational thought. That is the conclusion I have come to

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okay see the thing about the movie is that when he finds out it's him who's killing he makes it think "double personality", but then why would he go onto the next asylum???...i think he connected a lot with Carl (the guy who hung himself) cause he didn't think he belonged there, so thats why he escaped when he was a kid... still it makes no sense that he would be going to the other asylum, my take on that is that he wanted to help the others as he couldn't be helped...and yes i do think Ben killed the real Clark...

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i guess he goes to the other asylum, cause he want to take clarks place and dont now that they (the university) know that the real clark is dead.

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Clark, who was the boy at the beginning who was run down, was suffering from multiple personalities. His real name was Ben, and I believe he killed the real Clark and took his identity (this is explained when the girl he works with finds the file on Ben and the letter from the university). I can only assume that while in the asylum his Ben personality would go on a rampage at night, and he would wake up as Clark with no memory of it happening. It isn't until the end when he confronts who he believes to be a real inmate is his Ben personality, the Clark personality is gone and he becomes Ben and kills the girl.

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but if he came back and was a former patient, then wouldn't he have been recognized?? that's what i didn't get. it threw me off.


"your color doesn't determine your character, but your character shows your true colors..."

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No because Ben was a little boy when he was instituted. I'm sure they had a different staff 10 years ago and i'm sure his appearance has changed after 12 years or so.

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ooh ok. thanks.



"your color doesn't determine your character, but your character shows your true colors..."

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That one guy who took the axe in the face was there for 27 years but of course he was a boy so he wouldn't have recognized him.

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When Beverly Lesley told Clark/Ben that a patient had escaped, I had a feeling that Clark was the kid that jumped out the 3rd story window. Also, I wish they would have showed Beverly Lesley's Funeral because I bet Karen would be there.

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my take of the end is that he went to another institute because he got away with his "revenge" at the first on and also probably thinks that kind of situation "fake meds,stun guns,abuse,dirty" goes on in every institute.

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i can't believe there are so many posts debating the ending of this huge pile of *beep*

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This is a great movie, can you pose your opinion in detail without calling it smut with no back-up? >>

Anyway back on topic, I think he went on to the other Institution as a sort of salvation mission, cleansing all of the bad 'prisons' and so forth. Like a crusade perhaps.

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<<SPOILERS>>

I'm still a little confused, what about Alice who says about the little boy who walks around the hall.. the one who watches her while she sleeps? If she can see it as well as Clark/Ben, then it isn't his imagination after all? Or is she really just insane?

And what was Hendrix quarrelling with Franks about? My only guess is regarding his use of placebos on the patients.. but it just seems weird and out of place that she would mention it to him only when Clark/Ben is around. Unless ben is imagining this also... which is equally out of place lol!

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I agree, I thought this was a very well-done horror movie. Also, to an earlier post, I disagree and think the ending where he moves on was better. The alternate ending was so ridiculous, how the hell was she going to get all the nutjobs to listen to her and come out of the cages at the exact same time? C'mon now. Even for a horror movie that's just stupid. Also, in the alternate ending where she brought him pudding, what was her deal? She looked crazy herself, was she off her meds at that point?

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I'm curious how he lived to move on to another institution. I'm fairly certain there was some arterial spray from the axe wound she gave him.

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I think he really has good intentions but his Ben side goes over the top. What I mean is, cunningham was run very poorly, and the patients were treated, clearly, very badly. Unfortuantely Bens past and need for revenge takes over, forcing him to kill the people responsible.

He went to the other institute to try and improve the situations, make things better for the patients.

He's just a good guy who was treated very badly.

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sorry people....but this movie wasnt really good..at all! not trying to be against anyone who loved it or anything cause im not mad cause i wasted some money to watch it but it was WAY to over exxagerated like when he killed the main nurse and also when he axed the old man who had worked there for 27 years...the blood looked fake and it was pretty lame.....-_- and reading the boards now i see its overated...

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Everybody is saying the same thing...Here is my opinion and its not the same you've read...I think at the end, he goes to the new asylum because he just wants to continue his life and his career...he was treated badly as a kid...these memories haunted him, he went back and "killed" his memories (and pacified them) and after that...he lived his life normally without his memories f ucking with him...could it be this simple maybe????

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he was schizophrenic......so he actually believed he was the clark guy and had no memories of commiting the murders until the end.

*I'm not mean, I'm just hardcore*

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no, i don't think he was schizophrenic, he had multiple personality disorder.

-I am free from all prejudices, I hate everyone equally.

- Never Judge a Book by its Movie.

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ah ye....i watched it again today and u were rite...sorry.

*I'm not mean, I'm just hardcore*

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Seems to me schizophrenia IS multiple personality disorder,...the best part about the ending was;...'The End!"

Love & Peace T'

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Actually, they are two very different things.

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Since he was killing the people who treated him badly at Cunningham when he was a kid, perhaps some of those staff members are now working at the other institution ("Stites Mental Facility") and he went there to finish (or continue, if there are more) the job of killing all those who treated him wrong.
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I think it was simply a road to a sequel and maybe there was some footage on the cutting room floor that might have explained it better.

There are other way more questionable parts like why were there ghosts and why did everyone else see that boy and why did Franks keep them there (other than the $$ point that was mentioned as it would seem that there were other reasons) and why was HE always reading the supernatural books - I think they forgot about that whole "psychotics see ghosts" thing in the book. An for god's sake, why didn't she get that bra off!

In general it was a decent movie and being a b-horror movie maniac myself, I feel it was better than 98% of the trash out there. Maybe a sequel would clear things up - although, knowing how studios work, they'd probably ignor whatever shread of story there was and spend the extra money on bad special effects and better lighting to mike it look a hell of a lot less scarey - the Hellraiser syndrom.

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The patients who saw the ghost really knew who Clark really was. They meant Clark/Ben.

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** SPOILER ALERT **

Please don't venture further if you haven't seen this movie or another movie called Identity.

I had this uncanny feeling that this movie closely resembled "identity" which starred john cusack. he too was strggling with schizophrenia, causing him to revert and identify with each character in the movie, regressing, projection etc.

just sad how movies these days have become more and more unoriginal and uninteresting, copying ideas from each other, whether intentional or not :(

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Schizophrenia:

Any of a group of psychotic disorders usually characterized by withdrawal from reality, illogical patterns of thinking, delusions, and hallucinations, and accompanied in varying degrees by other emotional, behavioral, or intellectual disturbances.

Multiple Personality Disorder is not the same as Schizophrenia, though mulitple personalities may result FROM schizophrenia.

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I took the ending in a very different way to everyone else it would seem.

At the end it looks like he is entering the same asylum at the beginning, i.e. the place where he has murdered everyone. I think he is running the place now because he was annoyed about what happened there before and now he's killed everyone he can take over and make the aslyum better and not let what happened to him happen to others.

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