Warning
If you haven't got used to Sokurov's style, you might find a film a bit boring. If you love his style, no problem.
shareIf you haven't got used to Sokurov's style, you might find a film a bit boring. If you love his style, no problem.
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momoro - Hope you've had a chance to see this movie by now.
No doubt, if one comes from a culture (such as my own, American) in which close, physical relationships between people of the same sex are usually assumed to have a sexual element to them, then homoerotic impressions and expectations are very hard to banish when watching a movie such as this one. If one, however, is able to realize, and appreciate, that there are other cultures, such as Russian, in which physical, non-sexual same-sex relationships are not doubted, barred, prohibited or otherwise frowned upon or questioned, then we can get over this hurdle. Please, take the director's word for it. Can we get comments and confirmations from Russians or those who have spent time in this culture (or even have familiarity with Russian cinema)?
I hope that visitors to this thread have read some of the more sensitive comments about this movie (Chris Knipp, ([email protected]), Howard Schumann and delta-21). Here are some of my own:
One is most struck by the intense beauty of this film: the soft natural colors; the framing, the images; the physicality of the men in their romping, wrestling, playing and otherwise interacting; the beauty of the city of Lisbon. Life seems at times to be in perpetual sunrise or sunset (symbolically, the beginning or end?). Without a strong narrative, one must pay close attention to gestures, meaning of words, intentions, history, future. It is a mystery to be contemplated and which I admit I did not fully grasp. I have a critically significant experience with Russian cinema, and so am familiar with its concerns, moods and explorations. I was most fully able to appreciate it on the level of male relationships--their physicality, their unspoken longings, their competitiveness.
Please, again, calling all those familiar with the Russian culture, and Russian language speakers. Give us your impressions and insights.
If so many men, so many minds, certainly so many hearts, so many kinds of love.
~ Tolstoy
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There's nothing homoerotic in this film. Sokurov himself denied this kind of interpretation of his film.
After seeing this film the other night, I think approximately 99.9% of filmgoers will fall into the first category.
shareYes, countries like America are very backward in that they cannot accept certain forms of affection between people, particularly two men.
shareThat is true, but father and son naked in bed embracing and caressing...
I don't think that would be standard behavior in most cultures, not even Russia's.
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Okay, I'm Russian. I was born in Russia but now live in the states. I'm going to say this right now. What this movie portrayed is definately not the "normal" way fathers and sons, communicate with one another. This movie portrayed a bizare relationship between the father and his son, maybe if the trailer didn't show the first seen with both of them nude and hugging eachother, it would appear normal. but no, from what i saw in the trailer it didn't appear something that i might recognize in my culture.
shareI remember watching in Olympics russian gymnast kissing each other's lips to express fraternity.
Is it a common custom in Russia?
Whatever, this film looks noting interesting, just morbid.
what does the trailer have anything to do with it..? have you only seen the trailer and not the movie..?
Couldn't agree more! I've met both Russian and Russian descendents families, and although father-son and brotherly relationships can be viewed as more physical than the average anglo-saxon approach to male family bonds, they ARE NOT WHATSOEVER like the relationship portrayed in the film. As I have noticed, their approach slightly resembles the relationships in Italian, some Latin-American, and some Arab cultures. I'm not saying I condemn the homoerotic innuendo, but to deny it, well...I can only see this "director homo-denial" as a publicity stunt, a very clever one by the way.
shareWell, I think it was supposed to be an abnormal relationship, but that is made clear by the storyline. The father and son obviously have an incredibly intimate relationship - that does not have to imply something sexual, indeed I strongly doubt that it does at all.
Fascinating film anyhow, and I'll admit that it was a fairly perplexing experience.
I absoutely adored Mother & Son, everything about it was brilliant.
I could not stand half an hour of this film. it so was plain, poorly edited and cack handed in it's writing. oh well. there goes my hopes for Sokurov being the next Tarkovsky.
I think you guys should forget about the culture.
I didn't see anything wrong in what they are feeling and doing between each other in the film.
Even if the father and son having strong sexual feeling towards each other or actually having sex with each other, it's still fine.
Why bother? A great film.
Russia is an extremely homophobic country. Close relationships between men, as depicted in this movie, are not the norm. I don't think there is a culture in the world where a father and son, especially a teenage son, spend time lying in each others arms and staring into each others eyes.
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Absolutely, it would not be considered normal in Russia.