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Operation Barbarossa Prevented Stalin's Invasion Of Europe


It was not a mistake for Hitler to order the invasion of the Soviet Union. Stalin was getting ready to invade western Europe and Hitler beat him to the punch. http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=7999
To say that the USSR was neutral until the nazi-soviet conflict broke out is a lie. In 1939 the Soviet Union invaded Poland http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion_of_Poland and Finland, in 1940 Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Romania. They even invaded Iran in 1941 after the nazi-soviet war broke out. So why do so many people believe the communist propaganda that the "peace loving" and "neutral" USSR did not enter the war until June 22 1941?
People should bear in mind that the soviet communists had a history of lies. One of the most prominent was that the Katyn massacre of Polish officers was committed by the Germans when in fact it was the soviets themselves who committeed this atrocity as admitted to by Mikhail Gorbachev in 1991 - www.katyn.org.au

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Are you happy or sad that Hitler lost in World War 2?

"Someone has been tampering with Hank's memories."

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Μy friend bloody-3....

Soviets invaded to Poland, Esthonia etc ONLY after Germany's permission, you know. They had signed co-operation.

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Exactly and expressed in a very nice way. Actually Barbarossa prevented nothing, instead large areas of Europe were only invaded because of results of that war.

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Soviets invaded to Poland, Esthonia etc ONLY after Germany's permission, you know. They had signed co-operation.


Permission? Those were the demands of the Soviets for trading resources and political alliance with Germany (who was forced to seek such an arrangement due to critical lack of raw materials and enemies on all sides). The Soviets didn't need a deal with the Germans, they did so willingly to further their own ambitions.

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Here's to your 'Soviet threat on Europe' in 1930es:
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The USSR's primary anxiety before ca. 1939 was Japan, who had invaded Manchuria early 1930'es, threatening Far East Russia (Transsib railway to Vladivostok, vast resources in Siberia, etc.....). In 1938 the Kwantung Army had attacked the USSR, who stroke back August 1939 - at the same time as the Ribbentrop-Molotov Treaty was negotiated in Moscow! - and gave Japan a lesson they never forgot. Even the aggressive and highly independent Kwantung Army dared not attack again!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battles_of_Khalkhin_Gol

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Seeing the European democratic powers would not stand up against Fascism and Nazism (especially during the Spanish Civil and Intervention War, and of course during the Anglo-French liquidation of the only democratic Central European power - Czechoslovakia) the USSR saw that she might have to turn to Germany to secure her eastern border.

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Consequently, you had the negotiations and treaty of August between USSR and Germany - with its secret clause that secured what usually is called Eastern Poland into Soviet hands. Those areas were not Poland - they were mostly old Belorussian and Ukrainian land, occupied by Poland in the war around 1920.

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And consequently, you got the unfortunate Winter War 1939-40 against Finland to secure the Leningrad Front. When the Soviets had moved crack troops from the Far East to the Leningrad Front they quickly overran the Finnish, and if the Soviets had had the intention of occupying all of Finland, they would most likely have been able to do it.

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You do know that when the Soviets invaded Iran. It was a joint military invasion with Great Britain. Iran was natural, but were leaning towards the Axes side of the war.

The British and Russians agreed that Iran's oil can't be used by Germany. So both sides agreed to invade and occupy the country. The Soviets took the north. The British took the south. And Iran's oil when to Britain and the USSR.

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i don't want to call you names you might well deserve, tkidcharlemagne. I leave that to your own conscience. It is always easier to call people names via WEB than face-to-face.
But your

Hitler didn't want war with Britain or France.

is one quote too far

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You need to do some re medial studies. Hitler let the British soldiers escape Dunkirk precisely because he wanted peace terms with the Brits. Very favourable ones. Regarding Iran why would the Persians want to ally with such a group of racists. There were 60 thousand muslims fighting for the Germans. Their batallions each had their iman and each soldier had a koran with a swastika on. So much for the alleged racism of National socialism. Another lie put to bed.

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@tkidcharlemagne

German High Command did indeed issue a halt order to their forces, while the British Expeditionary Force (BEF) and allies re-grouped for evacuation at Dunkirk.
But it was not because Hitler wanted peace with Britain but because;
- the German troops were exhausted having fought continuously for 2 weeks
- the German mechanised divisions had outrun the infantry
- the German forces were running low on provisions and ammunition
- the Germans had sustained heavy losses during the offensive against the British BEF
- the terrain around Dunkirk was boggy and marshy with numerous canals and rivers making it difficult for the German tanks to advance
- Goering had assured the Hitler that the luftwaffe would take care of the BEF at Dunkirk. This plan was thwarted due to a combination of bad weather and underestimation of the effectiveness of the RAF
- Hitler perceived the threat from Britain to be greatly diminished if not practically removed as a result of BEF retreat to the beaches around Dunkirk

Also, if Hitler wanted peace with Britain why did he rescind the halt order on 28 May?

Regarding the "alleged racism", extermination of 6 million civilian men, women and children solely because they were Jewish (plus other ethnic or social groups) is as racist as it can get. So no lie there.

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The world jewish population rose during the second world war which of couse kind of negates any idea of a holocaust. Even the jews now admit their grand daddys weren't turned into soap and lampshades as we have been led to believe. There were no alleged gas chambers on German territory so wr are relying on the soviets for all the evidence. At Nuremberg trials the katyn wood massacre was blamed on the Germans when in reality of course it was the jewish run NKVD. There is only the alleged eye witness testimony of jews for the holocaust. There is no paper trail and there is no forensic evidence. Not a single jew autopsy was ever conducted proving death by zyclon which of course was used to kill lice which was causing typhus problems. It was a major killer therefore zyclon was a public health tool. At the end of the war there were major outbreaks. Symptoms of course are emaciation hence the piles of corpses. The Jews have extorted billions from the Germans of course and it is used to this day as a tool to put down all nationalist movements trying to stop the ethnic genocide of all Europe by the Jews and their traitorous gentile associates. It takes several hours to cremate a single body with modern tech as a body is notoriously hard to destroy due to it's high water content. The figures the Jews claim are laughable. Theyve never found any mass graves either despite numerous attempts. You see its all a scam which is why they put Germans in jail for up to ten years in sone cases for trying to debate it. They even jail the lawyers who defend them. Indeed it is the only alleged historical event that is not open to vigorous scrutiny. Thats because it would fall apart naturally. By the eay there are numerous jewish publications long before the war talking about this 6 million number. Its all jewish kaballa magic *beep* I love destroying a cocky little marxist like you. It almost makes life bareable.

By the way. Hitler told the British they could keep their empire. He would even supply troops when required to help therm keerp it. He had a great admiration for the country. He certainly didnt want to kill his white Christian brethren. Taking out the communist jews wad hos only goal. Jewish commies that had genocided many millions of good Russian whites. Now that was a real holocaust. Adios worm.

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@tkidcharlemagne

Ah, a complete denial of the holocaust.
That is some post, which seems to be driven by an intense hatred of Jews and anything to the left of fascism, rather than discussing what happened during the war, in a way which is irrespective of personal ideology. It sounds like this is what you want to believe rather than offering explanations on the back of real facts and evidence. You also seem to conflate communism with judaism.

Anyone with a semblance of objective historical interest can see that virtually every statement you made either completely misses the point or is just plain false. The petty name-calling sums up your credibility on the subject.

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You've trumped yourself. No one who has done a modicum of research can conclude anything other than the fact that Judaism is communism. You haven't read your Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn have you. All of it's founders were Jewish. It is an entirely jewish ideology designed to take away all power from elite gentiles. The cultural marxism that now plagues the west can find it's conception in the Frankfurt School; Jewish intellectuals thrown out by Hitler who ended up in universities primarily in the states. A recent adherent was of course saul alinsky rules for radicals who Hillary and Obongo revealed recently as very influential.

Yes a complete denial of the holocaust lock stock and barrel. The Nuremberg confessions were acquired using torture by the way so that makes them entirely inadmissible in anything other than a kangaroo court which of course it was. No forensic evidence. Just jewish 'survivors'. By the way a holocaust survivor is anyone who was living within any territory occupied by Germans in the war period. They don't even need to have stepped foot inside a concentration camp. For those that did the swimming pools, recitals, librarys, brothels and red cross parcels must have been a great help in between the lampshade and soap making courses not to mention the shrunken heads.

Does it concern you that it is now acknowledged that jews turned into soap and lampshades was well not to put too fine a point on it all a hoax. You are aware that is now admitted.

You talk of objectivity. Well give me some. Provide me with objective forensic proof. Plus will you admit zyclon b was used as an insecticide on clothes trying to get rid of the lice and eradicate typhus. Why bother if they wanted them all dead. Why didn't they just shout 'Achtung. Release the lice!'

You know your house of cards is slowly but surely collapsing. You can't lock up everyone who shouts *beep* Sending hundreds of thousands of white Christian schoolchildren from all over Europe to Auschwitz is going to backfire because under any form of scrutiny the hoax collapses.

Now I want you to google a real provable holocaust of whites conducted by soviet Jews ie the gulag archipelago. All of the heads of the gulags were jews. It's all there. Google Frankel, Yagoda, Rappaport, Berman, Kaganovich, Inzhir, Firin, Kogan, Kwazenskij, Berensohn, Dorfman, Kagner, Augert. Jews to a man.

I don't expect to see a biopic by Spielberg anytime soon.

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Judaism is communism?
So by that reasoning, Israel is a communist state?
And the Soviet Union, China, Vietnam, North Korea and Cuba had/have jewish cultures?

Of course there were high ranking bolsheviks who were jewish. But that is some leap of logic to equate it to judaism. Stalin eliminated and purged jewish officials from the soviet party and army, so if communism was a jewish conspiracy for power, it backfired pretty spectacularly! Your list of gulag heads is that of men who were born into jewish families. Again there's a ridiculous leap of logic that they were then serving some jewish pogrom to exterminate what you call whites (a bizarre distinction considering most jews are of caucasian ethnicity!) What about all the non-jewish officials in the communist party or who were administering gulags? Why were they involved if they weren't jewish?

Cultural marxism that plagues the west? What is that exactly?

Regarding the holocaust I'm quite happy to change my mind on issues where there is supporting evidence, but the evidence for the holocaust is overwhelming, not least the Nazi's own records which they failed to destroy before falling into Allied hands. I suspect that no amount of debate here will change your mind on the holocaust. Nor that that the Nazis were not racist (which is the point that sparked my initial post on this thread.)

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For starters, Goebbels diaries infamously contains excerpts pertaining to extermination of jews (google it). There are thousands of the eyewitness accounts prisoners, camp guards, SS Officers and that of the (mostly non-Jewish) US and British troops who liberated the camps. The idea that this was all falsified and part of some cover-up or conspiracy is utterly ludicrous.

People are white by virtue the colour of their skin. That's what "white" means. They don't suddenly become non-white because the belong to a certain social group or hold particular religious beliefs. If I took up judaism would I then be re-classified as non-white?

The fact that the gulags were brutal (and on a larger scale) is not being debated here. It's well known that Stalin was responsible for the biggest mass killing in modern history. It does not however diminish the utter racist barbarity of the Nazi concentration and extermination camps. This goes back to the point where you said "So much for the alleged racism of National socialism. Another lie put to bed." That is completely false.

That's a very interesting description of cultural marxism and not one that I would ever have guessed. You clearly think that multi-culturalism, diversity, feminism, gay marriage are bad things. I vehemently disagree and that's a another discussion altogether.

You seem to be concerned about some kind of threat to christianity, yet I have rarely read a series of more un-christian posts such as yours which seem to hold utter prejudiced contempt for certain people on the basis of their descent.

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You cretin there are not thousands. The liberators found camps that had received no food for weeks because of the allied bombing campaigns. They also found the camps infested with typhus outbreaks. You can see the English signs. No driving over 5mph because the infected lice travelled in the dust. The bulldozers pushing the heaps of corpses are British bulldozers pushing inmates dead from typhus into mass graves. After the war in jewish run concentration camps Germans were made to dig up the bodies and kiss the corpses on the lips to contract typhus. Many were even buried alive in typhus infected coffins by the Jewish devils.

None of them are proof of gas chambers. The Goebbels diaries do detail massacres of jews. These massacres were done without Hitler's permission. These massacres revolved around responses to jewish guerilla attacks on German troops in Poland. The Partisans were largely of Jewish origin. The Germans also craftily sent trainloads of Jews to the Baltic states, each of which had massacred their own jewish populations in revenge for what the Jewish soviets had done to them for decades.

Jews as I told you see themselves as a distinct race. I therefore absolve them from the pleasure of and privilege of being called white. They choose to enact anti white policies across white nations as they have done for centuries therefore they are not white. They are jews. If you cannot comprehend read the Talmud. They do not worship the same God. They worship the oral traditions of the Rabbis. The Talmud says Jesus is boiling in human excrement for all eternity for instance. Their hatred for the true Israelites ie white western European Christians is all consuming.

If you are not a Jew you have clearly been infected with their pathology. Cultural marxism is designed purely and simply to do away with white people. It is genocidal in its conception.

Christianity is not a tolerant religion. It is a forgiving religion. A true Christian does not tolerate self immolation which has been the result of all great white civilisations which have allowed their blood to be tainted whether that was the Persian, Greek, Roman or Egyptian. Yes all great worldwide civilizations have been white in origin and all fell eventually because of miscegenation. If you transpose third world low IQ people to a first world country that first world nation will take on the barbarity of the low castes. History proves that beyond a doubt. The Senusret stele set up by Senusret I in 1961 BC AT Buhen fortress near the Nubian border with upper Egypt still stands and proclaims his Royal command 'No negro shall enter into Egypt beyond this point.' I imagine you had no idea. In fact I imagine as a marxist you believe Egypt was a great African civilisation when in fact they were deliberately with great foresight banning blacks from entering their kingdom. Look at Egypt now. A third world country of open sewers.

There will be no further discussion. You have declared yourself a cultural marxist. If you are a Jew that is your natural religion. You cannot rebel against your genes easily. If on the other hand you are of white stock I have only contempt for you. The idea you would be in favour of throwing away your genetic heritage disgusts me.

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Sounds to me like you have a severely morbid and tainted outlook on life driven by hatred, extreme racism and delusions of conspiracies which are utterly bizarre and which have no basis in reality. Your posts come across as a tirade of white supremacy and anti-semitism.

I'm sure this will disgust you even more than you have already stated, but I very much pity you and truly hope one day you find some happiness in realising that there is no such thing as purity and "white stock" (whatever that means) and find beauty in the diversity of fellow human beings from all creeds and cultures. It is only with this common understanding will we (the global society of the human race) stand any chance of solving the humanitarian and tribal problems we face in the world today.

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You imbecile. Last comment. That's the point with diversity. In a diverse world there is room for white countries AND WHITE PEOPLE as well as black, asian, yellow and brown. In a cultural marxist universe there will only be brown and black and jew. White only nations will be slowly consumed and eventually banned and forced miscegenation will be enacted as the final nail in the only race of Titans that has fought for all the honourable virtues.

How can anyone sensibly equate Africans who failed to invent the wheel independently in thousands of years of stagnant non development, with white civilization that developed everything that has ever meant anything in human development, nurturing geniuses like Da Vinci, Tesla, Beethoven and Shakespeare.

Racism is human nature. The problem with whites today is they have been brainwashed with a fake white guilt. After all William Wilberforce got slavery banned in the nineteenth century yet Africans and Asians are still at it and are even importing their slavery into white nations. I repeat if you import savages your culture will be usurped and will take on the characteristics of the degenerates. I will predict you will lose. A tidal wave of white awakening is coming. All the gender neutral toilets, the scam weddings, the Scandinavian Muslim rape statistics, the Pakistani rape gangs in the U.K, The unbelievable black and *beep* crime stats in the U.S. Even the most stupefied white is now seeing events for what they are. Most haven't tied the pieces together yet but it's coming. Civil and race wars will ensue. Obviously the blacks and dark Asians will lose. A new dawn will arise.

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With each post in this thread, I've had to consider whether you were trolling or genuinely believe this white supremacist bile. My guess is the latter, in which case I'm truly astounded that anyone can hold such arrogant, hateful viewpoints.

Each of your posts (which began with saying that Nazi racism was a lie) has revealed more and more of your insane delusional ideology.

As I said before, I hope one day you come to realise that love and respect are more important than skin colour and you can see the world through happier and peaceful eyes. It it this which we need to solve problems rather than creating more through extreme racism and segregation.

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Regarding the eyewitness reports. Today I ran across my late father's letter home to his mother describing what he saw when he liberated one the camps.

He was disgusted with anyone who denied what had happened as he would be with some of the other correspondents on here.

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You are a *beep* looney tune

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this is one of the best parody posts i've read in a long time.

you really have people believing that you think this nonsense is true!

keep up the fine work!

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I don't honestly know if Stalin had planned to invade Europe or not, this is simply conjecture. Considering how poorly the Russians fared in the Finnish winter war and the way that they were totally unprepared and trounced by the Germans in the early stages of Barbarossa certainly leads me to believe that they were in no real state to launch an outright invasion of Europe.

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Try reading the thread I originally posted before coming to a conclusion - http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=7999 There are 2 sides to every story! As for those saying that Stalin's plan to invade Europe is simply nazi or neo nazi propaganda most of the info comes from Russian historians who have had access to the Soviet era archives. These include Viktor Suvorov http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Suvorov and Igor Bunich http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igor_Bunich The latter even discovered the name for the invasion of Europe by Stalin. It was called "Operatsiya Groza" (Operation Thunderstorm). Communists and their dupes in the West need to continue the lie of the "peace loving" and "neutral" Soviet Union of 1941 because it is needed to support the mythos that Hitler "tried to take over the world". As already stated the Soviet communists and their supporters lied for 50 years by saying the Germans committed the Katyn massacre www.katyn.org.au so why should anyone take anything they say at face value?

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The Chief Culprit - Stalin's Grand Design to Start World War II is the book by Viktor Suvorov which goes into detail on how Operation Barbarossa prevented Stalin's invasion of Europe. For serious students of world war II history - read it yourself! www.amazon.com/Chief-Culprit-Stalins-Grand-Design/dp/1591148065/

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But in a sense didn't Stalin "conquer" a great part of Europe at the end of the war and in the approximate years - EAST-West Germany, acquiring various Slavic/Baltic states? Didn't he impose and maintain Boshevism on the "satellite nations", and create "the Iron Curtain"? Not personal conquest by warfare, but by proxy...?

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