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Can anyone tell me who really killed the singer?


I was so confused at the end of this flick and need some closure as to who really killed the singer. Was it Colin? Why was he so obsessed with her?


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Ben did not kill the singer, someone else did, he is just mentaly ill, did not kill anyone

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Huh? I thought he killed Charlotte!

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This really was a most confusing film and "Huh" was a pretty good way to describe it. Yet, strangely, it was enjoyable.
Yes, I thought he'd killed Charlotte too. Actually the whole reason I looked up this film on IMDB was hoping that somewhere I could find an explanation of what this film was actually about.....
Did anyone else find it hard to hear? We watched it on DVD and really had to turn the sound up to understand what was being said. Not that it helped much.

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I saw it at the Toronto Film Festival and you can add my name to the list of confused viewers. I am hoping that once I get the dvd, I will be able to figure out a few things. I did believe that he killed Charlotte, but only because he did not believe she really existed. He was so delusional that he thought she was part of his dreams. They found the real killer of the singer, so it was not Ben. Other than that, I am still confused.

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Haha! I ended up having to turn on the *Spanish* subtitles to try to understand many of the lines.

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I had to turn on the spanish subtitles as well. I took 3 years of spanish back in high school so I'm afraid it didn't help too much but the parts that I could read helped clear up a couple of things. I don't understand why they didn't have english subtitles.

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I speak and read Spanish, but I prefer subtitles in English...If you have a TV that has subtitles, it should work. That's what I did.

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This is hilarious!!! After the movie was over and I saw the Spanish Subtitles on the main menu, I actually thought I might have benefited from them! Or at least my family may have benefited from them, as I was screaming at them to hush so I could understand the lines! HeHeHe...I rewound one part (after he told the psychiatrist "She needed it.")about 15 times and never could make out what he said.

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Ok, I am totally with you on the 'not being able to hear' thing...I am pretty good at understanding accents and so forth.... but man! The accents were thick and we had to turn it up so loud to hear all that mumbling Colin Firth did!!...lol....
Yes, "huh" describes the movie. I logged on to find out what the heck was going on in that film and like the film "The Machinist", I will never know....<sigh>....ah well, I liked it well enough...nothing like a movie that makes you think...just when you think you've got it....you don't.....

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That is interesting that you mentioned the Machinist....

I rented both films and watched them side by side - Trauma followed by The Machinist.

You can see that I am too on the IMDB to find out what the heck went on in Trauma. However, even though The Machinist always made you guess during the movie, it really did a very nice job bringing it all together at the end.

I would highly recommend The Machinist - it was a true psychological thriller that reminded me much of another movie - of course if I told you what that other movie was, it would give away the plot...

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i'm with chrismaker - i, too, enjoyed the machinist. i thought it was EXCELLENT! i really liked how everything came together at the end - neat little twist.


...even though The Machinist always made you guess during the movie, it really did a very nice job bringing it all together at the end. I would highly recommend The Machinist - it was a true psychological thriller that reminded me much of another movie


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Same experience. I reran a couple of scenes and found the dialogue no clearer.

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Colin Firth did not kill the singer.

However he did kill Charlotte, who was a real person.
(The idea being that he thought he was talking to a psychiatrist who told him to figure out the real from the imaginary. He was actually talking to himself but he thought the psychiatrist was real. Conversely, he thought Charlotte was imaginary and tried to snuff her out of his fragile mind by psychologically murdering her. However she was real and he actually killed her).

As for the rest, you see it from Ben's perspective so it is very distorted. But this much we do know...

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thankyou!!!!!! i dont see whats confusing at all in this. near the end of the film they show the guy that killed the singer. when his wife turned up tho in his flat wow, that was powerful and when he tells her hes going to make it all right and get better i just thought oh my god, run charlotte!!!!

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The singer was killed by a man named Gareth Carwood. He isn't even in the movie and not found until the end.

I'm glad I'm not the only person who is still a bit confused over this movie though. It certainly does make you think. You can make a good arguement for most of this being a hallucination or only small bits of it. I can see it several different ways.

I have watched it 4 times now and am not entirely positive what to think yet.

Good luck everyone.

BTW-Wonderfully acted by Colin Firth, as if he could be bad in anything!

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i agree to some degree. i knew charlotte was about to get messed up. but there is still a lot of confusion. if you understand it please let me know. the ants. the video cameras. the ties between hospitals. the shoes. etc etc.

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just a tiny clarification for shootingstars.. ben's ex-wife asked about charlotte just because when she had knocked on the door, he had replied "charlotte, i think we should not see each other.." or something to that effect.. i don't think she actually KNEW about charlotte..

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In the directors' commentary Evans clearly states Charlotte was real. She was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. Firth states that everything in Ben's world makes sense to Ben. Firth also states everyone that comes to Ben's place or into his world is an intrusion to that world; one he has created for himself (to cope) - total loneliness and aloneness. And yes, Charlotte is a major point of confusion. Ben was already a mess before the accident. he'd lost his parents young, his aunt (Charlotte) then abandoned him. He had himself convinced he had given up or just left school, jobs etc when in fact he had just plain failed at them all. The only stable point in his life was Elisa and he became convinced (just before and after her visit to him) that Charlotte (real or imagined) was the cause of all his troubles/woes, therefore if he got rid of Charlotte those or all of his problems would end and he would get his world/wife back. Every loss in his life led to being less in touch with the world around him as he slipped slowly into his own world. And if you note the therapy session? all the stuff is like 60's stuff or childrens' things. The cassette recorder, the watch, the crayons.

Lauren's killer's name was Gareth Carwood, age 28.

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FirthFan55, what you've said has really helped. I thought Charlotte was also not real. However, is it possible that apartment the entire time was really the psychiatric hospital he was in, in the end? It talked a few times about how it used to be a psych hospital and I'm wondering if he was really in a psych hospital the whole time and 'made up' the apartment scenario to make it his home.

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Question for Cffan55 - You mention in your 7/10/05 post information about director's Commentary and also comments by C. Firth regarding this film.

Can you tell me... is there another released version of this DVD movie? My DVD copy has little "extra's" to speak for it with the exception of: Previews, Scene Selection and Spanish Subtitles.

I've just purchased this DVD today and (pardon my word choice)am now obsessed with all of the psychological symbolism and interpretation of events that occured throughout.

I'd be interested to hear back from you about my question, and also any of you with further opinion or interpretation of this wonderful thriller.

My (rather shy) opinion of Mr. Firth's job on this film is monumentally positive. He has proven again and again to defy type casting. He is a wonderfully talented actor. Thank goodness his continuing sucesses will allow him to carefully pick and choose future roles that he can, no doubt, do justice.

Comments on another thread regarding the audio. I did note that Ben's friend Tommy (played by Tommy Flanagan) did speak with a rather heavy Scottish accent(and Mr. Firth did, on occation, speak quietly or under his breath which supports his fragile mental state), but after replaying certain spots, I was able to gleen what was said (for the most part). example: when Ben first visits with his friend in his paint shop and asks about a job, their dialog is run together confusingly. I had to listen very carefully to interpret dialog like this:
Tommy: "Bastards. Broke into my shop twice last week. For Meth. To drink, you believe that? Actually tastes quite nice."
Ben (looking at cans of paint): " I see you've developed quite a thing for beige, eh?"
Tommy: "Hey. 'Basket Brown'. (opening some boxes) So, you gonna give me a hand ?"
Ben: "I meant to talk to you about that, actually"
Tommy: "No! Nah, na no way... No can do."
Ben: "I'm not asking for full time, or anything."
Tommy: "Have a look around you. Look. I'm not exactly raking breakin' e'en here."
"Well, I think its very nice."
"Tell you what. Why don't you pop next door and ask Brenda to put the tea on. Go on."
"No one here"
"Exactly. I had to let Brenda go."

Now that was a bit tough to transcribe, eh?

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The directors commentry and comments by various cast members are only on Region 2 dvds. There is a lot of symbolism in this film and a lot of filling in the gaps. Personally I think this film is extremley underrated, most people get confused simply becasue they haven't paid attention, miss bits of vital information and want to be spoon fed every single detain instead of working it out for themselves and coming to their own conclusions. Colin is, as usual, fantastic, and those critics who says he's typecast and then does something like this to "try and get away from it" are so wrong and clearly know very litte of his career, many of his earlier films - pre Pride and Prejudice - were along this sort of vein. If you enjoyed his performance I highly recommend you see Where The Truth Lies, a new film where he plays a pill-popping bisexual! WARNING - it conatins explicit sex scenes, but it is still a fantastic film and he and Kevin Bacon are brilliant. May I ask why you say "rather shy" when you give your opinion about Colin? There is absolutely nothing wrong with admiting your a fan of his work or of him, believe me I think he's fantastic - oh and gorgeous! Below is just MY interpretation of the film. I'm not implying that it is right but it's just what I believe to be so, you may find some of what I've written useful.

My basic understanding of the film is that everything we see did happen to Ben.
Everything that we see is real.
It is all told from Ben's memory who is in the mental hospital.
The first thing we see is the accident. Ben and Elisa had an arguement, Ben abandoned Elisa then crashed the car.
Ben then wakes from his coma to find that Lauren Parris (a famous singer) has been murdered.
At the same time Ben thinks he has killed Elisa and may also have something to do with Lauren's murder.
He can't remember the recent past.
Elisa (his wife) was a dancer with Lauren (the famous singer).
Once the detective starts questioning Ben this convinces him even more that he has something to do with the murder. He collects the newspaper cuttings to try and work out how and why Lauren was murdered.
The voice of the psychiatrist is in his mind. Ben had real sessions with a psychiatrist when his parents died but now he is recreating those sessions from memory and placing them in the context of Elisa's 'death'.
Charlotte is real. It is just coincidental that she has the same name as his aunt who was also real.
The imagined voice of the psychiatrist and the 'death' of Elisa convinces him Charlotte is just a figure of his imagination and a replacement for Elisa.
The funeral Ben watches is actually that of Lauren Parris, but he is told that it is Elisa's funeral.
Elisa turns up alive.
Carrie (Elisa's sister) and Emery (Lauren's manager) both tell Ben that Elisa is dead knowing that she is not.
Emery has a relationship with Elisa.
When Elisa turns up this convinces Ben even more that Charlotte is not real so all he has to do is get rid of her so he can get back with Elisa.
To Ben by killing Charlotte all he is doing is killing an hallucination, sadly Charlotte is real.
The film ends with Ben in the mental hospital where he has been all the time.

About the shoes. In the directors commentary, the director mentions that when the shoes are seen it is nearly always one single shoe belonging to a pair, that things that are meant to be in pairs end up being single, and applied this to the situation between Ben and Elisa. So I took it to be a metaphor and that Ben thinks that he and Elisa should be together but he has ended up single, much like the old shoes.

Some of what follows is taken from the director's commentry:
Not everything in the film is significant. Many things are shown several times(shoes,polythene,mirrors) and Ben is unsure what is important and what is not. The story is told from Ben's point of view and from his memory (the final scene also implies this),and how he remembers events. Ben's flat and hospital ward are identicle in shape and size,so did he leave the hospital? The sessions with the psychiatrist are recreated; the voice Ben is hearing is in his imagination (although he really did have sessions as a child. The pyschiatrist was called Dr. Manor, and the voice we hear is actually that of a friend of CF). The polythene makes the surroundings feel cold and lonely,much like a morgue/prison. The surroundings of the hospital, flat and the city are seen as Ben sees them; showing his distorted mental geography. The contrast between the ants and Ben. The ants are sociable whilst Ben is isolated. Charlotte has an angelic aura,and has spiritual beliefs. The director states that Charlotte is REAL. Other influences for Ben's mental state are urban society; which is isolating, and the influence of the media and celebrity death. The knocking on the door is seen as an intrusion into Ben's world. The CCTV adds to his paranoia,he feels that he is constantly being watched. His aunt was REAL,also shown in the photograph (which he finds in the book). He becomes delusional when he thinks the TV is talking to him (the bit where he's watching Lauren Parris's manager). Ben may be seen as an unreliable narrator; he tells his story but as he remembers it. The imagined voice of the psychiatrist convinces him the problem is Charlotte and this may have gave him the idea to kill her. The director raised an intresting point that the police detective in the final scene may be a figure of his imagination.
It was also intresting to listen to Colin's view of Ben. He believes that Ben's mental state is understandable and justified and that his reactions are sane according to his perception of things, and I have to say I agree with him.

I hope it's helped.

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I don't think it's that people didn't know that it was Gareth Carwood that murdered the singer. I think they first realized this by hearing the news on the tv, colin firth and the detective are both watching, but confused people of that outcome by what the detective said. Something like I knew you were paranoid, you have no job, loner ect. So I took it to mean that the detective used colin firth's profile of a previous murder that who knows how into past Colin Firth's character actually killed Charlotte to help him search for the killer of the singer in the present. Therefore, when the detective tells Colin, " I didn't think that made you a killer though, is what really confused people. Actually I think this message is confusing. Oh well, I tried.

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WHAT I REMEMBER IS THE LAST SCENE WHEN BEN IS WATCHING THE NEWS, THEY SHOW A PICTURE OF THE KILLER, LOOK CLOSELY ITS NOT HIM, ITS ANOTHER MAN.

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With a decent sound system, *i had surround dolby 5.1*hearing everything was totally fine, so I don't know if that was a factor, because I see they didn't have any audio set-up choices. And to whoever said the'brit accents were as "thick as porterhouse steaks", or anyone who couldn't understand "thick" accents..... THEY WERE NOT THICK..... I am from north america, and if you couldn't understand(I don't mean hear, I mean comprehend) what they were saying, you need to check again if english is your mother tongue, and if it is, then it just goes to show how terrible you mastery of the spoken word is.
p.s.- I said spoken word, for any of those, ahemm, intelligent people who think to make some witty comment about my spelling or grammer. So let me just stop you from looking stupid right now. Your welcome.

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Colin's accent wasn't nearly so difficult to decipher as his friend's, but without wanting to disturb my neighbors with the volume way up, I found that some of the dialogue was too quiet, while other scenes were fine.

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I Thought the picture showing the drawing of Lauren Pariss's killer looked like the caretaker..

Thought there was something fishy about him the whole movie

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I wonder if maybe the caretaker was sort of a third stalker, or an obsessive observer at least. That could explain some things some of us are wondering about. I don't see how he could be the killer, though, since he introduces himself as Roland, and the killer has a different name, and they are each listed separately in the credits as being played by two separate actors.

The caretaker is weird, though. While the killer stalked the superstar, and Ben stalked his wife who worked for the superstar, maybe the caretalker was stalking the superstar too, and incidentally would have often seen Ben. Then when Ben moved in, he could have recognized him and watched him especially closely. He watched Ben on his closed circuit monitors when he walked outside, and especially when Ben went downstairs to the morgue. He was right there every time, then.

When Ben finds the monitors near the beginning of the movie, he sees a man on one monitor seeming to carry a woman's body or a roll of old carpet down those stairs. When Ben goes down to investigate, he meets the caretaker (Roland), who explains about the names of the dead on the walls. In a later scene, Roland comments to Ben that his hand is bleeding. Again near the end Roland finds the body.

The caretaker was introduced as sort of coming with the building when Charlotte's dad bought it and converted it to apartments. The caretaker might have known about the superstar being born there when it was still a hospital, so he set up there as an obsessed fan (or a disturbed fan).

The caretaker would then have taken extra interest in Ben. He could enter Ben's apartment at will, so he could have blacked out Ben's drawing on the wall. Likely, the caretaker could tell Ben was a bit off, so he started messing with Ben's mind, like letting the ants free.

As for the stash of shoes in the basement, I'm not sure. I understand the individual shoes are a metaphor to represent people who are alone but were meant to be in pairs. This applies to Ben (but also to most characters in the movie, it seems to me).

However, it almost seems as if there is more to the caretaker than has yet been revealed. It almost suggests he stalked the superstar and her entourage, and stole individual shoes as mementos, or maybe something more sinister. Some think one shoe is the one Ben's wife lost in the rain the night of the car crash.

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Jonsannes, all you said about the caretaker, could mean he was actually a part of his brain physcy, they all could have been, just made me think was he the care taker of his mind.

I thought he killed charlotte because he thought she was made up by his mind, so he was trying to clear his head.

But i thought he may have actually have made up the visit by his wife, as he felt a lot of guilt about rowing with her in the car not paying attention and crashing, so in the way he deluded himself about his art school and job, he told himself she was still alive.

Some of the apartment stuff could have been real some could have been his imagination, it doesn't have to be black and white all real or all not real.

losing someone does mess you up, I remember jumping in my sleep, thinking reality was a dream and dreams were reality and just not knowing what the heck was going on, your brain just goes into trauma.

But then again he could have not left the hospital at all, i don't know really

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To FlorenceLawrence:

I understand your points about more of what we see in "Trauma" being just the main character's imagination. However I happen to prefer interpreting it as simply as possible, something I remember from science classes about the simplest interpretation being best, provided that the simpler explanation still explains the data as completely as the more complex interpretation. To me the simple theory (that most events portrayed in the film really happen just as we see them) explains the movie as well as more complex interpretations. It also seems to me that most of his dreams or hallucinations were set apart somewhat by camera or editting techniques (if I remember correctly).

I really enjoyed this movie a lot, trying to figure it out, showing it to others, and researching the opinions of others here on imdb. Actually I drafted an outline of what I think could be the perfect sequel to this movie. Although sequels usually don't work well, I think this movie was sketchy enough (and underappreciated enough) to allow more to happen, more killings, more messing with the main character's mind, more drama and intense danger to the characters we like most, and involvement by the various characters still out there (real or imagined). I had an inspiration for a followup storyline and I just had to write it down.

I never had the personal life experience with trauma that you speak of about yourself. I'm sorry you had that. Thank you for the insights, which help explain some things about my brother-in-law, about his warnings not to wake him suddenly, his vivid flashbacks, his substance abuse issues, and thankfully now his long term recovery status and counselling and meetings (but he'll probably never be totally over the death he accidentally caused).

With your input especially, I think I can better understand the validity of the techniques the writer and director used to present the film, demonstrating the post car-accident trauma of the main character, apparently combined (in his case) with some pre-existing mental health issues (such as stalking, obsession, and an earlier child-hood trauma of a similar nature).

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Are you going too submit your sequel, you should, writing is such a gift.

I'm glad Your brother in law is doing better, being responsible for a death even accidentally must be awful, I got run down as a kid, and I know the driver was really messed up about it, even though I ran between two parked cars and it was in no way his fault.

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oh also....the cameras were them recreating the murder scene. they mention it a few times throughout the movie, like when the detective mentions him being at the recreation, and how murderers like to do that.

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My take.....

1) He was never married, he is sitting in the mental hospital throughout the whole movie. We watches TV and mixes what he sees on TV with his memories. At the end of the movie he is watching a music video with Lauren and Elissa. He imagined everything about Lauren and Elissa, based on what he saw on TV.

2) He murdered Charlotte, she was real, he strangled, beat, and suffocated her. He imagined the spiders and ants.

3) He is living in the apartments which used to be a hospital, but he's really in the hopital the whole time.

4) He explained that he had to move into the "apartment" becuase his studio is being renovated. He lies to himself about art school, museum job, his wife, etc. He's also lying to himself about his studio being renovated, it's being renovated because it contains the decomposed body of Charlotte which was strangled, beaten, and suffocated (killed three times as the detective said). He never even met Lauren or Elissa, but he murdered Charlotte, and he is confusing what the detective says to him, with what really happend to Charlotte, with what he sees on TV about Lauren.

5) He is a terrible artist, he flunked out of art school. In one scene there is a child-like drawing of a hand, showing that he has no artistic talent. He imagines everything he draws that looks good. He never drew a picture of Elissa on the wall, that is why it was covered in black paint in the very next scene. He imagined that he drew it, or he drew a bad picture and was ashamed to look at again so it appeared painted over in his mind, or he drew it on the hospital wall and maintenance staff painted over it in white paint and he imagined the black paint in his mind.

6) The photo album of pictures of Elissa posing in the same position as Charlotte was not really burned, he imagined it. He imagined the whole photo album because he was never really married to Elissa. He is sitting in his chair in front of the TV in the hospital, having fantasies about Elissa and memories about Charlotte (who was real).\

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The consensus is that Charlotte was real. Okay, but then either Ben or the director is not. No man the size of flabby Ben could raise a woman the size of Charlotte up a wall by clutching her throat. He couldn't be that strong. Even if he were, a kicking victim (believe me, she would've been kicking) would have kicked his guts out. That's superhuman stuff, movie stuff, another of the many impossible things moviemakers concoct and propogate. People can't outrun fireballs or explosions or tidal waves or wolves. Too many movies are full of things real people can't do. And these are just a few of the things that I hate about such misbegotten movies.

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He didn't raise her up the wall, he pinned her against it. And believe me when you are in the same state of mind that Ben is you do everything in your power, and with all your strength, to change whatever it is you believe. In this case he had to kill an 'hallucination' of Charlotte so he could get back with Elisa. Btw are you hinting that Colin Firth has a weight problem?

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No, I'm suggesting he has a fitness problem. The killing was as unrealistic as it could be. And the spider in the mouth. And the fresh blood on Charlotte's dead face. The movie is mostly wannabe surrealism. Besides, I'm sure he held her up with one hand, but I hope to see it again to make sure. I'm an ex-competitive wrestler and weight lifter and I do know what I'm talking about when it comes to human strength.

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Okay but I think we have to allow for poetic license. The point being made is that he killed her and the flawed reasoning behind it. What you have to remember is even at that point the story is still being told from Ben's memory, and so obviously details are not going to be strictly true to life; it's his story as he remembers it.

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Does anybody remember Alissa saying she only had one shoe on when she got left in the rain? Then he explains to Charlotte, "They were just shoes!" He is trying to rationalize Alissa's complaint about being left in the rain to Charlotte. At least that is what I thought. I also see the metaphor of being single and in pairs. He left her there by herself and no longer with him.

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Yeah, but there's a lot to be said for adrenaline... You never heard stories of single men lifting a car or a giant log to rescue someone pinned beneath. There's plenty of documentation on how adrenaline can provoke "super human" strength in instances.

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Wow, that's some pretty creative thinking, some of it seems likely.

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hey... i'll be the *sshole and do it... Seamossmcchav.... you spelled grammar wrong. haha.

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Some random guy killed the singer. Ben was obsessed with her because it turns out his wife worked for the singer's manager (the wife was a dancer who danced with the singer) and she left Ben for the manager guy. So Ben stalked his estranged wife and in the movie he doesn't remember any of that...

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Mena S. is only 5'4" while Colin F. is roughly 6'1.5". I think with the 1 foot height advantage and obviously he would weigh more too, that Colin could lift Mena off the ground. He's not in shape, but he's also not a very heavy guy.

As for the shoes, they were all found in the morgue area of the old hospital, so I attribute them to the deaths.

I think the caretaker killed Charlotte at the beginning and Ben knew Charlotte but was only imagining her throughout the movie after her death. Her name was already etched on the staircase after she followed Ben downstairs. Didn't the Dr. at the end ask "so you say you killed Charlotte?" or something along those lines?

I think Charlotte was real, but not to Ben the entire movie.

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Of course he could have lifted her!! She tiny, he's a normal/tall man. My boyfriend is only a couple of inches taller than me and can lift me. And that's without the added element of murderous rage.

Usually.


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