How did the Lion's Gates cuts work for you?
Do you think they helped the film, hindered the film, or more or less kept it at the level it was? I'm assuming all those dissolves were where cuts were applied.
LGF actually didn't cut it all--I later cut the film because its running time was simply too long. For just about every person who says "so and so wasn't explained"--it probably was, but I just deemed it not important enough to leave the footage in, as I knew the movie should move faster.
The sequel will be much sleeker, more what the horror fans are looking for, but there will always be the ones who find something to complain about.
All I can say is...over 10,000 people on imdb have rated Episode 1 the best movie they have ever seen. If that's the best movie they've ever seen, I'm glad to be on the opposite end of that spectrum.
Taste will always be subjective.
I bought two copies for my store and nobody,including myself, has liked this film. Can I have my money back? I'll wait for a sceener from LGF before/if I buy the sequel.
I liked the 2 hour cut as you know. I have the cut version but haven't watched it because when I pop it in I watch that 2 hour cut lol It seems people are against Fear of Clowns but I stand behind what I saw and I liked it.
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The fact that this film ran any longer than 80 minutes including all credits is a complete travesity. I thought I was watching a pseudo 10 hour clown epic. That's what it felt like. Absolutely abysmal. Atleast the Gingerdead Man was over before the awfulness really sunk in.
And where was the humor? You can't make a film like this and have it be totally serious. Chop about 30 minutes off of the film, completely rewrite it and get a new cast, then the film might possibly have the chance of being decent - or at the least, entertaining.
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Here's my reply to the people who hated the movie: Cool! Really, I have no problem with you hating the movie. As I said, there are people who love Episode I(which all sane people realize is the largest waste of $100 million dollars EVER) and there are people who hate Aliens(one of the greatest movies of all time, IMHO)--so obviously people's tastes run the gamut.
But I'm not going to defend the film. I've got people complaining that the movie's a "travesity". I'm guessing you meant travesty. You'll probably claim typo. I'll claim the "i" is nowhere near the "s" or the "t", so if you're going to use big words to cut my movie down then you should learn how to spell the big words. In the future perhaps you should just say "the movie sucked!".
Another guy says the screenplay's horrible but the script's not bad. Dude...they're the same thing. How would you like me to respond to that?
So the bottom line is: If you'd like to seriously discuss the problems with my movie, we can do that. I am as aware of the problems in my film as you are. But if you're going to say so and so SUCKS, tell me which actor/actress and why you think so.
If you're going to say it's badly edited, I'd like to know why you think so. Where did you learn how to edit? How exactly would YOU have edited it differently?
You're even welcome to come to the forum at kangaskahnfilms.com and I'll answer your questions regarding the problems you have with the film.
But if you want a refund...well, if you can get me a refund from Lucas for Episode I then I'll pass that right to you for your rental of FOC.
I'm not crapping on this movie, I went to school with the director and
I'm more than a little jealous he's getting to make movies in his spare
time, so this isn't written to be nasty.
*SPOILERS*-- do not read further if you haven't seen the movie.
I just want to address some plot issues that limited the believability
of the movies, set as it is in the "real" world, specifically the cop
beheading scene.
As the "decoy" clown is being arrested, Shivers walks out from behind
the house (speaking of which-- HOW DOES SHIVERS travel? He is NEVER
seen anywhere near a car-- yet he literally STALKS the main characters
as they travel miles and miles across suburban Maryland-- but
apparently he manages this feat ON FOOT) anyhow, as i was saying, out
WALKS Shivers, in broad daylight, on a suburban street crowded with
houses, beheads the cop, which the decoy clown witnesses, then
he...well, I guess he WALKS home, in full clown makeup, shirtless, in
broad daylight, carrying an axe dripping with blood.
Now, the hit-man, IN BROAD DAYLIGHT, getting out of what would seem to
be his OWN CAR, throws on a clown mask, walks presumably RIGHT PAST the
still living decoy clown into the house, doesn't even bother to look in
the living room where the girl is, and walks straight upstairs, to
where one would assume the bedrooms are, in the middle of the day. Was
he so convinced that she would be taking an afternoon nap that he
wouldn't bother glancing around the first floor? The girl then decides
to STAY IN THE HOUSE, and wait for him to come BACK downstairs.
Flash forward a little bit to the conversation she has with the
Rockabilly cop guy. He says, basically, "welp, one dead clown, case
closed!" OK, this is a problem. the decoy clown WITNESSED a COP
BEHEADED by a shirtless guy in CLOWN MAKEUP CARRYING AN AXE, not a dude
in a cheap clown mask wearing a hoodie. WHERE IS THE MURDER WEAPON that
BEHEADED an effing cop? Rockabilly cop also seems unconcerend that the
hit-man, who was hired to kill the wife only, went ahead and killed the
assistant and the entire family next door. And last but not least,
Rockabilly cop says they have the hit-man's tapes of his convos with the
hubby-- where they specificially discuss THE KILLER CLOWN that's on the
loose that's complicating his job.
So we've got a dissapearing murder weapon, 4 extra homicides, tapes of
the hit-man charging extra because of having to deal with a KILLER CLOWN
stalking his target, and most importantly a WITNESS that SAW a
COMPLETELY DIFFERENT MAN IN FULL CLOWN MAKEUP DECAPITATE A COP-- and
yet they close the book on it.
In the future I would possibly suggest hiring a cop or retired cop to
run through the script and pick out logistical problems of this nature.
<<I just want to address some plot issues that limited the believability
of the movies, set as it is in the "real" world, specifically the cop
beheading scene.>>
Wait--you went to school with me? Which school?
<<
As the "decoy" clown is being arrested, Shivers walks out from behind
the house (speaking of which-- HOW DOES SHIVERS travel? He is NEVER
seen anywhere near a car-- yet he literally STALKS the main characters
as they travel miles and miles across suburban Maryland-- but
apparently he manages this feat ON FOOT)
>>
Duuuuuude...this is the kind of criticism that's KILLING me. You hear Shivers and the voice talk about the "murder van" and you even see it follow Lynn and Tuck when they leave for the forest. How much more detailed do I need it?
<<
Now, the hit-man, IN BROAD DAYLIGHT, getting out of what would seem to
be his OWN CAR, throws on a clown mask, walks presumably RIGHT PAST the
still living decoy clown into the house...afternoon nap that he
wouldn't bother glancing around the first floor? The girl then decides
to STAY IN THE HOUSE, and wait for him to come BACK downstairs.
>>
Here's what happens: Decoy clown is in shock, so he's totally out of it. It would take him quite some time to say exactly what happened. A clown chopped the head off the cop. That's the story the cops would hear later once he started talking. But if you've ever seen someone in shock they frequently either don't talk, or they don't make a lot of sense.
As for hitman busting in--he doesn't know the layout of the house. I originally had him busting in the door and standing there, listening. When he hears nothing, he assumes she's asleep(because if she weren't, he should hear her coming to investigate the noise of the door). THEN he goes upstairs. But in the interest of saving time I cut a bit of his listening part.
<<So we've got a dissapearing murder weapon, 4 extra homicides, tapes of
the hit-man charging extra because of having to deal with a KILLER CLOWN
stalking his target, and most importantly a WITNESS that SAW a
COMPLETELY DIFFERENT MAN IN FULL CLOWN MAKEUP DECAPITATE A COP-- and
yet they close the book on it.>>
Here's what you're missing: I explained why their 1 eyewitness would make little difference. As for the disappearing murder weapons--this new facet of the investigation is like an hour old. I'm sure the axe would be a big question mark but if you were to consider it from their POV for a second: "A clown killed this guy, and then a clown tried to kill her." I think they would probably assume it was the same clown. At least for a while.
As for the tapes...while they would have had time to hear some of the hitman's tapes, they didn't have time to listen to ALL the tapes. The other clown is only mentioned on the last tape. They would take all the tapes back to the station as evidence to listen and transcribe them.
As for the book--I wouldn't say it was closed, but maybe partially closed.
<<In the future I would possibly suggest hiring a cop or retired cop to
run through the script and pick out logistical problems of this nature.>>
These aren't so much problems that a cop or retired cop would pick up--they were more problems with my communication to the viewer.
>>Wait--you went to school with me? Which school?
elementary all the way thru high school. we knew each other fairly well, actually. I don't want to say who I am, though, cuz I still see you on occasion, and I don't want you to be all like "there's the guy that sh!t on my movie", even though I'm not, but still...
>>Duuuuuude...this is the kind of criticism that's KILLING me. You hear Shivers and the voice talk about the "murder van" and you even see it follow Lynn and Tuck when they leave for the forest. How much more detailed do I need it?
My bad, I was litereally in the sh!tter during that scene-- the old lady refused to pause the movie.
>>Here's what happens: Decoy clown is in shock, so he's totally out of it. It would take him quite some time to say exactly what happened. A clown chopped the head off the cop. That's the story the cops would hear later once he started talking. But if you've ever seen someone in shock they frequently either don't talk, or they don't make a lot of sense.
This is plausible, but not immediately obvious...i.e. the girlfriend and I were scratching our heads during this part. Perhaps a throway line, like "we've got a party clown in deep shock, hasn't said a word" or something. Without that qualifier, it's like wtf?
>>Here's what you're missing: I explained why their 1 eyewitness would make little difference. As for the disappearing murder weapons--this new facet of the investigation is like an hour old. I'm sure the axe would be a big question mark but if you were to consider it from their POV for a second: "A clown killed this guy, and then a clown tried to kill her." I think they would probably assume it was the same clown. At least for a while.
>>As for the tapes...while they would have had time to hear some of the hitman's tapes, they didn't have time to listen to ALL the tapes. The other clown is only mentioned on the last tape. They would take all the tapes back to the station as evidence to listen and transcribe them.
again, workable, but at first counter-intuitive, i.e. the viewer is obligated to make some substantial logical leaps on his own accord to fit the events into a plausible framework. All told, I'd still have to say that, without at least onscreen hints of all the qualifying scenarios you've described, it's a bit of a tough sell that the cops would be so quick to [partially] close the book.
that said-- you wanna help me with my superhero flick?
<<elementary all the way thru high school. we knew each other fairly well, actually. I don't want to say who I am, though, cuz I still see you on occasion, and I don't want you to be all like "there's the guy that sh!t on my movie", even though I'm not, but still...
>>
Gimme your initials, eh? I can't for the life of me think of anyone short of D.M. that I still see at all. I don't have a problem with your take on the film, I'm just curious who you are.
If you want to discuss the superhero flick, hit www.kangaskahnfilms.com and send me mail through there, and I'll get in contact with you.
Naw, this ain't Duke McClure. I'll give you a hint-- we sat next to each other in social studies, back of the room-- I'm thinking 7th grade.
shareThis movie sucked!
Some people can't spell travesty very well, and some people can't make movies very well. I'll promise you one thing, though: I'll never make another attempt at spelling the word travesty if you (if you're the one that made this film) never make another attempt at making a film.
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since you do spell the word "travesty" (albeit it, correctly) twice in that post...does that mean, by your purposed arrangement, that he can make two more films?
shareNope. He did not yet agree to the terms I was proposing, so until he does, I shall spell travesty until I’m all travestied out.
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I have a question. Whats up with calling the van the murder van?
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