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Just Thingking Out Loud... (Spoilers)

posted 19 years ago by moyac15
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Just a thought I was playing around with but here me out. In the last few sentences of dialouge The Samurai says (taken from subtitles) "Aragami..." Turns and looks at the Servant Girl then continues "Who will beat me?" and She replies "I... Will be here to witness it"

At first I believed that he was asking the dead guy and then she replies. But after thinking harder I thought what if she's really Aragami, The God of Battle? After all she has witnessed every battle taken place in the temple and she has probably seen the greatest fights in the history of man,daemon, and other creatures. She's the god of battle and this is her temple, Musachi is just a tengu and the Samurai is a new heavanly being born from the stars.

After reading some posts here most everyone assumes she has no importance but because she remains silent throughout most of the movie I would guess that when she does speak it'd better be important.

Let me know if I have something or just crazy ;)

[–] maxx-38 19 years ago

This was my thought as well, would be kinda cool her being Aragami. But I suppose - we just aren't supposed to know. :D

[–] koroshiya001 19 years ago

im thinking more along the lines of she is more powerful then the aragami which is why they stick around the temple. i mean as the raging god of battle it would make much more sense to go wandering for a fight yet they stay in the temple. when he says "i am nothing compared to her" my first thought was probably shes the devil or somthing similar.

"I want TONG PO! GIVE ME TONG PO!!!!"

[–] Grande_Hefe 19 years ago

I think that they aren't allowed to leave the temple. I read that elsewhere.

I just watched this today and I thought it was prett good. I hope they make a sequel. I watched this because I saw Versus and I LOVED it!!! So I'm making my way through all the movies that each of them have trailers for on the DVD. The only problem is finding them where I live. I thought the trailer for ONE MISSED CALL looked pretty cool, as well as the other duel, about the actresses.

[–] Raped_Nun 19 years ago

Well i just saw the movie and i came the the conlusion that the girl is the war god, and her "thing" in life is to get a champion. A person so skilled in the fine arts of combat that he can entertain her with fights now and than. The person arriving with his friend is prob. some soldier either dead or just chosen, who died from the injuries he had in the start and now have been selected to fight for the wargod. The reason he heal and sutch is so that he can get into strength for the fight and sutch. And in the end we see the new champion with his new target, this time from our time, with our arsenal.

To make it short: When the finest of our soldiers die, they come to a tempel of war where the ppl fight the finest soldier ever to entertain the god of war and to get a chance for the seat next to her.

[–] Maglootus 19 years ago

Just thought I'd add that Musashi looks at the girl at one stage in the movie and says "woman is the devil". It makes me wonder whether the girl is the devil or a demon just enslaving men so they can battle for her entertainment.

Just a thought..

[–] hyper_mad_man 19 years ago

I too thought that the girl had enslaved Musashi to battle for her entertainment.

[–] Zombichi 19 years ago

they can leave the temple, Aragami wandered around before he came to the temple fighting people

[–] dante8877 17 years ago

I, personally, think that the girl is just there to prove that the battles took place; fights mean little to those fighting when they have no witnesses. If that guy said "I killed Miyamoto Musashi, the truly greatest samurai of all time, the man who invented dual-sworded combat"... well, okay, the girl would be thrown into the loony bin with him. But, it is proof that it WAS all real.

Oh, and as far as "Women are devils".... "Hell Hath no Fury Like a Woman's Wrath"... In general, I think he was just being a smart aleck. And "She is more a devil than me"... Have any of you guys ever been married? If so, you'll understand this comment COMPLETELY. heh.

Anywho, there's my 2 cents.

[–] Blinkhyphen182 17 years ago

musashi didn't invent using two swords it was part of tori ryu which he studied, countless other schools also used ryoto

[–] RyuNoKami 17 years ago

Technically, Musashi didn't invent using two swords. I mean how could you possibly invent something so abstract like weilding two weapons?! What he founded was a specific style of wielding two swords that got him famous. No sword user in the times during and before Musashi would ever actually think of using two swords @ the same time since that meant you had to be a tad ambidextrous.

[–] Blinkhyphen182 17 years ago

actually most did use two swords or more, look at kukishin ryu which actually teaches using three swords in its yoroi kumiuchi section, yes you can't grasp how to use three because you've never trained in a koryu art, i have. ryoto is common in every martial art, musashi was just a guy who regurgitated chinese works but had the sense to write them down. do some research before you comment please. and before you mention anything just look up www.koryu.com and type in ryoto you'll find a ton of schools before musashi with it in their curricula, you don't speak japanese and probably don't even know what the bugei ryuha dai jiten is but find a nice japanese person ask them to show you the 7000 different varieties of swordsmanship listed in the book and how about 80% use two swords.

[–] dante8877 16 years ago

All right, all right! Sorry, I mistakenly wrote something. Jeebus, people, I get the point; he didn't make it, he just edited it a bit. Now, c'mon... my post was filled with semi-humor and sarcasm, why can't you guys take this as the same? And you're right, I don't speak Japanese - Not fluently, anyway - but oh well. Now, if you care to insult any other mistaken information, please do so with explanations, instead of condescendingly showing that you know something. And I apologize for not responding to this sooner - This is the first time I've actually thought to post on IMDB in some time, and I thought I'd check out my former post(s). Oh, and thank you RyuNoKami, for politely correcting my (at the time) uneducated remark.

[–] raecer 17 years ago

Raped_nun wrote:
"To make it short: When the finest of our soldiers die, they come to a tempel of war where the ppl fight the finest soldier ever to entertain the god of war and to get a chance for the seat next to her."

If you believe this to be true then maybe Miyamoto Musashi really was defeated/killed earlier and therefore ended up at the temple. He says something like "i heard that too" (about himself being dead). Maybe he thought he died, then appeared at the temple and now so much time has passed that he has rationalized how he got there in the first place.
So maybe they cant leave the temple once they've actually entered it (by dying) (we dont see much else outside because of the rain either)
With that being said, im not sure what opinion to believe :)
Maybe thats why i like this movie so much. I like more than one of my theorys

[–] RyuNoKami 17 years ago

i don't think they can leave the temple. Aragami probably talked about when he was still alived as Miyamoto Musashi.

[–] lvgemst2 17 years ago

I think she is a god(ess). This story seems to be based on a form of priesthood which is found in many many cultures in the world, where the head priest was like a king in a way. And the only way to become the head priest was to kill the incumbent. So other priests would come to the temple and try to kill the head priest.

this is seen in some of the dialogue (from memory):
aragami: I'm glad that I found you to fight me
other guy: I was looking for you.

The aragami could not sleep because he knew that someone would be coming for him. If you're interested there is a book called 'the golden bough' which explains this in more detail.

[–] Aelfwyn 17 years ago

You're overlooking something obvious. Think about the classic, stereotypical gunfighter duels in Westerns -- in particular, the oft-seen convention of people hunting down the "Fastest Gun" (the best gunfighter) to challenge him. And what happens to the guy who beats the best? He becomes the best.

By beating Aragami, the samurai became Aragami.

When he says, "Aragami" in the line you quoted, he isn't saying the name to anyone. He's pondering his new name.

[–] 5h4d0w 17 years ago

i wouldn't be so sure about that, after all by the movies definition, an aragami can be killed by a stroke to the heart. but the samurai didn't die because of that. which means that he has to be something superior to aragami - the aragami at one point even asks him what kind of a being he is...

i'm wondering if he really isn't anything but the "real" aragami (the girl?) was just tired of musashi, so she gave the challenger more power than him. it isn't the theory i like best but it might be possible ;)

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[–] padma_sambhava_india 15 years ago

I don't think that the girl is aragami, aragami in the movie's story is more like a title as best real/mystical swordsman, instead of the infinite entity of wars and battles (although you can play around with that idea too), and the title is passed on, as people may be gods or devils, gods or devils might be like people too, they might have desires and simply get bored after a while.

I don't think they gave any evidence that they cannot leave the temple, the Musashi dude looked kind of tanned (heh) and if they simply open the temple front door it would be like being outside (considering the big size of temple doors), I might also argue with you that the meal they ate had a bunch of vegetables, not just human meat, they must grow it or buy it somewhere.

I think that they choose to stay put because destiny of some kind (as of being wargod) eventually brings them the warriors that will fight them. The Musashi dude clearly explains that he wasn't into people anyways and went to the mountains and found the girl there, which kind of like links to those supposedly last moments of the historical Musashi figure: that late in life he went off to the mountains to practice and meditate on buddhism.