Why'd the Romanian robber die?


At the end they say both crooks died. But the Romanian guy was shot in the foot, and twice above the knee. Since when is that life-threatening?

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Well he was actually shot in the femoral artery and eventually just bled to death

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Thanks Doc.

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You don't know your ass from a hole in the ground how many cops do you know?What happened sweetheart ,did you get a ticket were you offended.Those guys were going against homicidal animals that day.

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Hard to feel sorry for LAPD, i don't think people know how systemically corrupt LAPD is/was. Bernard parks was their attempt at trying to rehabilitate the force's image, and to clean it up. wanna know what mr parks' idea of "cleaning up" is? basically quietly bury all accusations of corruption and reassign people etc...he never really fixed it. not only that i had people who were ex officers who would tell all kinds of crazy *beep* the police force did. there's huge problems with sexism, racism, police brutality, and corruption due to drugs, and gang influence. in the LAPD dating back as far back as the early 70's. most say nothing cause their scared of being railroaded and losing their pensions. but a few have told me that sacramento police is/was worse!!

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Well 'actually' he wasn't shot in the femoral artery so please don't post made up facts.
If the truth be told he was struck by 22 separate bullets causing 29 wounds, had his left leg broken in 3 places gunfire, had a round straight through his ankle, 3 through his bicep, one even bouncing off the front of his skull above the eye socket.
Cause of death as listed by the LA County coroner: Multiple gunshot wounds.

I love how people make up facts of their own and pass them off as 'truth', learn your history before you perpetuate bulls**t.

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"Cause of death as listed by the LA County coroner: Multiple gunshot wounds."

I've been dying to say this since this topic was started; 'Why'd the Romanian Robber Die?"; He got shot!

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He was handcuffed and was basically left to bleed to death on the street. The police were in no hurry to put him in an ambulance. The police department was eventually sued by his family. In defense for the police, medical crews were very busy attending to the other injured bystanders and police officers.

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Also it is forgotten that at that point in time the police did not know how many robbers there were. For all the police knew is another robber was about to come out and start firing again.

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I'd be pissed off at that family that had the arrogance to sue the police about the deat of their son. He shoots an entire bank and street and they want composation! Please tell me that the family didn't win. That would just be sad.

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as disgusting as it is to say, I believe the family did win, and a SWAT officer lost his home.........what a f*cked up juidicial system we have...

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Actually the case didn't go to trial; the family dropped the suit.


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emil matasareanu died because the cops left him there to bleed while he was handcuffed. i'm devastated about that and so was a witness who watched him die on archwood street.

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LOL, jeeze! I'm GLAD they let him bleed out, whether by intention or not.

JUSTICE...

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Funny, I have that same joy when I hear of abusive cops not making it home.


Cops are not supposed to be executioners roaming our streets. I pray that 'kharma' catches up with those murderers.

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Though this response is 4 1/2 years later, he died as a result of the paramedics and ambulance crews busy with the other wounded civilians and cops, over 13 I believe. LAPD did not secure this scene until late at night, around 11pm after a search of several square miles. They had reports of a third and possibly a fourth robber and the location where Matasareanu was at was not considered secure due to that information about the third robber. That and the fact that there were initial reports that Matasareanu had a bomb strapped to him, it was not safe, in LAPD's opinion to bring paramedics to the scene. That he died is the price he paid for turning a suburb of LA into a war zone. I have read the after action reports and have tapes, raw and edited versions of the firefight. That these two punks didn't kill anyone is a miracle.

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Youve read the after action reports have you? Then you would have to be LAPD or LASD. No public access was ever granted to them under the CPRA.

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Even if it had, many of the civilians hit by the robbers' bullets in the crossfire, said they would countersue the robbers' family and donate the money back to the city of Los Angeles.

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Hey, an XTC reference!

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I heard that he bleed to death from not getting medical attention for a few reasons:

1) Priority care was given to innocent civilians, then police, then they would of been the suspects
2) They did not know of other suspects in area
3) Did not know if he was boobytrapped with anything

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The family did not win. There was a hung jury and it was eventually dropped. There were officers and civilians left for almost an hour, as well. They created the situation. No use crying about the outcome.

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hes family sued the cops. wow. the family should have the left over AK rounds emptied into them

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Bull. There was an EMT team held back about 1 block. They were doing nothing but wait for the lapigs to allow them to work.

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Because it was believed that he had a bomb strapped to him and they were checking that and they did not know if there were more shooters. That team was held for a valid reason and that he died, he brought it on himself.

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Oh bull. There are multiple photos of officers standing around him causally as he bleeds out. No 'bomb squad' was called to check him out ever.

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Okay, there are photos. I've read the after-action summary and have both edited and unedited footage of the shootout. There were 13 cops and civilians wounded and the scene around the second suspect had not yet been declared secure so as to bring in paramedics. This event started just after 9am, it did not end until after midnight. There were conflicting reports of a third gunman and in the confusion in the aftermath, SWAT teams from LAPD, LASO, FBI and other allied agencies were searching a wide area. Yes, a bomb tech did check the second suspect and yes, he did bleed out, but you know what? Good. The family sued and the trial ended without them getting a dime.

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(carrie phillips said...)
"Well his injuries were obviously life threatening.....or he wouldn't be DEAD now would he! He was left to bleed to death on the street while handcuffed. I have footage of him being kicked too.


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"sympathy for the devil"? i'm sorry but as someone who legally carries a gun both professionally, and as a law abiding citizen, i have absolutely no regard for anyone who would hose down a street full of civilians and police officers with a full automatic weapon. the first objective was to make him stop shooting, whether that resulted in his death was not a consideration. once the shooting stopped the main problem became making sure there were no more shooters in the area, then triage of the wounded could begin, with injured civilians and officers taking first priority. bluntly the perpetrator's injuries came low on that list of priorities. that they died of their wounds is "pour l' encourager les autres", an example to others who might think that machine gunning their way out of a botched robbery is a valid tactic. i care a lot more for the l.a.p.d. officers who, outgunned, stood their ground and fought a battle they were never trained or equipped for. did their best to keep their oath to "serve and protect" and in spite of casualties finally brought down a pair of arrogant, murderous thugs, making your world just that little bit safer.
"gunner"

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"pour l' encourager les autres",

Don't try to pretend you know how to speak french

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also, if hes willing to rob a bank and take down a load of officers with an ak, he obviously knew there was a chance that he was going to die.

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They did say, "I would rather die then go to jail."

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I'm not sure, but I would bet that comment was creative license by FOX. Given the layout of the bank, I don't think anyone was close enough to actually hear it. But that's just a guess.

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Man, who could have sympathy for them? It's thinking like that which is why child mollestors can sue the prison system for not giving them porn. I think bleeding to death is a fitting end for such a reprobate. I think most of us who shake our heads at the officers actions couldn't be expected to act a lot differently were they in the situation. I'd say it was pretty big of the officers not to smash his face in with the butts of their rifles- I don't think I'd be above it, which is why I don't consider police work.

Actually, a little more on-topic, I understood that the first got accidentally shot himself with his Beretta, not got shot by the cop. I assume creative liberties, as getting killed by a misfire isn't very dramatic, but can anyone confirm this?

We've met before, haven't we?

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The movie does show the gunman shooting himself. You watch the R/H detective drawing a bead on him, then the view switches to the gunman, who places his gun under his chin and fires at the same time as Frank. The next shot from the chopper confirms when you see the exit wound from the bullet, which was through the top of his head (the shot shows the gunman still standing, then falling to the ground, which is how I judged where the wound was located). As to whether in the real incident his fatal shot was purposely inflicted, or an accident, everything I've heard indicated purposely. I'd think it would have been purposely anyway, since this guy was on the lunatic fringe, cornered, and out of options. That, at least, put his death on his own terms.

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In the actual incident, he was shot through the spine at the same time he shot himself in the head. There's speculation that he was trying to reload his pistol with one hand (By pushing the magazine in against his chest), got shot, and then spazzed out, so to speak, and shot himself as well.

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"get your facts from the real event not a movie dopie! []"

Haha tru say!

This one time on Real TV this guy was running from the cops, and a sniper in a chopper is given the order to take him down, and we see a bullet strike the grass two metres away from the guy. Then he surrenders. I know the sniper was in a chopper and all, but law enforcement snipers suck i would have to say, unless they are on flat ground and have been breathing slowly for an hour.

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You try it.

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My dad was a Police Sniper for the London Met Police, Law Enforcement snipers are never trained in firing from a helicopter, the belief that they can make an accurate shot from a helicopter is insane. The number of things you would need to take into account, such as the movement of the helicopter, direction the suspect is running, wind, angle of bullet and then with the helicopter blades turning just a few feet above you the shot is nigh on impossible, maybe in the video games you play its an easy shot, but real life is alot different

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My dad was a Police Sniper for the London Met Police, Law Enforcement snipers are never trained in firing from a helicopter, the belief that they can make an accurate shot from a helicopter is insane. The number of things you would need to take into account, such as the movement of the helicopter, direction the suspect is running, wind, angle of bullet and then with the helicopter blades turning just a few feet above you the shot is nigh on impossible, maybe in the video games you play its an easy shot, but real life is alot different

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yep in video games its a cinch but trying it in real life u gotta take lots of things into account

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Video games dont really account for windage...as far as the shooters go, they got what they deserved. I'm sorry but civillians and Police officers get first priority when it comes to medical attention. As far as the lawsuit, the courts should have laughed at the family's paperwork then thrown it away.

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A sniper was never present during the actual shoot out. If a sniper was, he/she would have fired long before the suspects got moving. The gunman shot himself through the chin, roughly the same time a policeman shot him, yet the gunman's wound was the fatal shot.

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Well, first of all the Wikipedia article on the event says a sniper shot him.

In the article, there is a lot of mention of cops firing on the robbers, but the SWAT isn't involved till the end. I'm guessing it took them longer to get to the bank, and then it took even longer for the sniper to get into position.

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Ive seen videos of hunters shooting animals from planes and helicopters.

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How did he get shot in the spine? The police were pouring at them for half an our, they wore kevlar, 9mm rounds didn't penetrate, the SWAT was not at the scene yet with the armor-piercing rounds. Or the kevlar didn't protect their backs?

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Mr. Matasareanu died because the police refused to allow him medical attention for nearly an hour after he was shot. They also kicked and stomped him, causing him to bleed even more.

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Excuse me, they had to use the ambulances and emergency vehicles to injured civilians, and the police officer. He deserved to be stomped/kicked, if I was there I would have probably done the same. Oh and there was a possibly of suspects still being around the area, hence them searching stores and the bank with swat officers? So...please don't say things you don't know *beep* about, or talking about someone be kicked or stomped because he shot at innocent civilians. I wish you're mom, dad, brother, or sister would have been there and got injured or killed... then what would you have thought of Emil?

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Kicking at a suspect on the ground who is heavily armed is not abuse. It is how you approach a dangerous person. Kicking at arms and legs happens whenever the police shouldn't get too close to someone. And this guy waited about as long as several of the civilians and police had to wait. They created the very dangerous situation that required the care taken in securing the scene. It's poetic justice that it took his life.

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After he was shot in the foot, he was shot many many more times. I believe he was shot 29 times in total. He bled to death. EMT workers were not allowed at the scene for fear of more robbers being in the area. Many witnesses thought there were more than two robbers, possibly because they saw undercover cops (non-uniformed guys with guns) in the area. I think it's standard procedure to keep civillians out of such areas until the cops can declare it safe.

If they WANTED that guy alive, he'd be alive, but after being shot at and seeing your fellow officers being gunned down by machine gun fire, I don't think his well being was at the top of their priorities.

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So kidnappers shoul´d be stopped by taking their families/relatives hostage? I think cops methods should be a bit different from bad guys, well they are COPS or what?

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To this day it's unknown if Philips suicided or not. One can certainly speculate that given the sheer quantity of ammunition and the home made full body armor, they weren't 'kinda sorta' keen on prevail or die trying, it's a definite.

On the second gunman - witnesses _did_ come forward after the incident (*subsequent to them calling it in when they first saw it) stating that they did alert police to what they believed to be additional gunmen hiding and or moving through residential areas/yards nearby. It later transpired that all these sightings could be accounted for - they had in fact seen various police and toward the end, possibly some swat members (since their clothing, from a distance at least, wasn't particularly different in colour or overall fit, esp if someone is just peeking out from behind a curtain not wanting to be seen)

With that in mind, you can quite rightly understand the police on the scene with Matasareanu quite rightly would have wanted to ensure the paramedics (or whatever the relevant emergency service is called there) were in no danger from any additional as yet unidentified assailants. I'm not saying they put a comfy pillow under Matasareanu's head and held his hand begging him to 'live dammit' - but let's get realistic here - there has to be safe working practices and a fundamental prioritising of emergency services resources.

Matasareanu's family's lawsuit was imho unconscienable. I pray nobody related to me gets into such a situation, but I tell you what, if I got wind of a friend or relative pulling armed robberies, I'd be giving them about 5 seconds to hand themselves in before I dobbed them in.

Lastly on the sniper thing. I used to do some target shooting with my dad when I was younger (in the days before extremely tight gun restrictions in Australia, and I'll avoid an argument on their merits or lack thereof!) and was quite a reasonable marksman. Hitting a stationary target - piece of cake even for a moron, moving target (and it didn't get bigger than rabbits typically, and they are considered both a pest here, as an introduced species, and also 'good eatin' for some old timers) was harder, but doable, if the movement patterns of the specific animal, and the terrain were known quantities. Once the first one was hit, though, good luck as the rest would scatter quicker than you could sneeze.

Now let's throw in another variable - from a moving helicopter. Oh my god. I've never tried such a thing (obviously) but based on other experiences - if someone managed to get a shot in the same few inches at less than 50 yards, they'd have to be genetically altered with alien DNA - I couldn't think of a much harder task. Lay off the law enforcement - I'm not suggesting they are all perfect marksmen, but for goodness sake get a handle on the very real difficulties (compounded on top of one another) of shooting at a moving target, esp if the sniper is moving too, or if they are under fire. And those police get up every day and go out with the possibility that they'll face such an incident on any given shift, and keep turning up for the next shift.

Given the fact that they were _so_ heavily at a disadvantage - with pistols and shotguns against bullet proof crims, and have to consider everyone else's safety (they couldn't just fire anywhere and any time they pleased lest they hit an innocent civilian or something) - I think it's an absolute testament to the law enforcement officers involved that there were no loss of life apart from the actual crims. Took a lot of guts to keep engaging with such disproportionate firepower.

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A perfect marksman couldn't make the shot, not with so many random factors. You could close your eyes and shoot backwards over your shoulder, and it probably wouldn't make the chance of you hitting your target any less, since the chance would be so low. Anyway, did someone say they have footage of the cops kicking him while he bled to death? If that's true I would be very interested in seeing it.

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I just wondered why none of the police shot the suspects in the head once they realised that they were heavily armoured. I have never fired a gun and couldn't comment on the accuracy of said weapons, but I assume that the police officers are trained in firearms to make them accurate.

Obviously they are in cover and would be extremely worried about getting shot themselves, but surely with the amount of officers you would imagine one of the suspects could have been hit in the head.

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the robbers were heavily armed with better armor and weapons. most of the police spent the time near the robbers pinned down, unable and afraid to move. at 7 yards standard police body armor stops handguns and shotgun rounds, even slugs. high powered rifles aren't even slowed down. in short, the cop's armor wasn't going to protect them at all. the police had no rifles, just shotguns and handguns. headshots from handguns get pretty hard from more than 40 yrds or so, and that's a stationary target NOT shooting at you. I DO question why they didn't try to shoot at their feet, but as I was not there I'll assume they were in a better position to make those calls. and most patrolmen don't get slugs for their shotguns, so they weren't very helpful either.

this incident changed many things about how police respond to these situations. LA police now carry rifles, I believe, in their cars for example.

honestly, I'm torn. yes the guy was despicable, and deserved to die. but it was the job of the police to protect him once captured as well. its not a fun part of the job, but part of it nonetheless. emotions ran high, understandably, but they forgot themselves, unless of course they had no hand in who received medical attention first. that being said, I can't think of a jury who'd find in favor of this guy's family.

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They couldn't let the triage of wounded persons start at that time, because of alot of confusion on the number of bad-guys. Civilians who saw both S.W.A.T and cops in civ. clothes called in a bad-guy, since they couldn't see the badge\uniform. Letting medics and civ's in a warzone like that, would be a helluva lot irresponsible, when you think of the safety of everyone. Having random people going in and out of such a scene, the cops would have a lot more difficulties doing their job, and more people would be in mortal danger...

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I don't think GWB would have to wait 60 minutes+ ..... area cleared or not...

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i was watching the history channel thing on youtube and he was actuall shot like 30 something times in the leg. tell me thats not bad

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Let's be realistic here no matter what side of the law one is on. If I was a cop that day and had no idea how many of my colleagues may be dead and I'm running on pure adrenaline, I too wouldn't be in a hurry to assist a wounded armed robber intent on causing me harm and/or death! It's very easy for all of us to judge and armchair quaterback this tragedy but unless we wore there as a police officer that day, and from what i've read thus far, nobody here was a cop on duty at that place that fateful day, there's no way we could even begin to understand what they were feeling/fearing. We're all human afterall.

I've read stories the medics were left waiting for an hour, and be that as it may, given the severity of the crimes that day, he'd in all likleyhood been sentence to be executed anyhow. Besides, he pleased with the cops to put a bullet in his head anyhow so really one way or another his life was over the second he walked out that bank.

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You want to rob a bank. Good on ya. You arm yourself with assorted assault rifles, pistols, etc. You discharge said firearms in the street, in close proximity to civilians, endangering dozens of lives. You find the nerve to shoot at people who wear a uniform and a badge, and are also armed and have sworn to uphold the law and put guys like you away (or down, as the case may be). Regardless of whether some or most of them are corrupt or not (and how would you know?), I'd say you rolled the dice and took your chances. What did you expect?

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