Arming cops better


Does anyone have any statistics about police being provided with heavier firepower prior to this incident? I had heard years ago that officers were able to carry various weapons in their cars if they were qualified with them, but I realize that the limited budgets of most agencies would hinder this. I would think that some larger cities would have attempted to make this mandatory a long time ago.

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I don't have any stats, but I do know that after this incident the Dept of Defense donated several hundred M16s to LAPD. LAPD also authorized .45s and .40s shortly afterward.

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I saw M16s in a cop car in LA.

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Before the North Hollywood shootout I believe the LAPD only carried .38 revolvers or 9mm side arms with a 12 gauge shotgun in the patrol car.

In fact while the NH shootout was going on the police went to a local gun shop to get better weapons to use against the robbers. They just didn't have enough firepower to fight the robbers.

I used to live just down the street from the bank and while watching the shootout on the news I could recognize the area where the shootout was taking place. Scary stuff!



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I guess it really depends on the Police Department and location. I grew up in a small town in Northwest Indiana, 20 miles from Chicago. One of my best friend's Dad was our Chief of Police. I remember back in the late 70's early 80's when we were young kids he'd take us on tours of the police station and the guys would show us everything. They had a row of M-16's and other assault rifles and submachine guns ready to go in the basement. And there was no SWAT Team for the town. Our town had really no crime and was affluent so the police had a big budget and always bought the best. I remember thinking there were more guns in the locker than cops in the town. But they never carried any of that on patrol. The cops back then carried .38's and had shotguns. Today they're using Glocks and shotguns and one friend on the force told me Sgt's and other senior officers can patrol with the heavier weapons like the M-16.

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The LAPD started their SWAT program in 1965 and only those members had access to weapons such as the M-16. The patrol officer just has a .38 revolver or in the 80's a 9mm handgun. The only heavy firepower they had was the 12 gauge shotgun mounted in their patrol cars.

Sine the North Hollywood shootout LA cops carry either a Beretta 9mm, a S&W .40 or a Glock .45acp. I read but haven't seen personally that some cops carry a M-16 or an AR-15 mounted in their trunk.

It is a sad commentary on our society that police have carry military weapons because the bad guys carry the too!

EDIT: I found this in the WIkipedia:

Service weapons
Before 1988, LAPD officers were armed with the Smith & Wesson Model 15, also known as the .38 "Combat Masterpiece". This was specifically designed at the request of the Los Angeles Police Department. It was a Smith and Wesson Military and Police .38 Caliber revolver with non-snag, high profile adjustable sights or the Model 36 "Chief's Special". In the car, locked to a steel bar, was an Ithaca Model 37, 12-gauge shotgun, loaded with "00" (double aught) buckshot, nine pellets to the cartridge. The shotgun was made specifically for the Los Angeles Police Department, and was called the "L.A.P.D. Special". The shotgun was based on the Ithaca Model 37 "Deerslayer", which was a weapon designed to hunt large game with rifled slugs. As a consequence of being designed for use with slugs, it had rifle sights, unlike most shotguns. The "L.A.P.D. Special" had a dull parkerized military finish instead of the more usual high gloss blue finish. The barrel was 18 and a half inches long, as opposed to the twenty inches of the civilian version. The advantages of the Ithaca Model 37 Shotgun over the Winchester and Remington models were that the Ithaca weighed a pound less, and could be used with equal ease by right or left-handed shooters due to the unique bottom ejection used. In response to increasing firepower carried by criminals, including fully automatic weapons and assault rifles, LAPD patrol officers were issued Beretta 92FS. Later, officers were able to carry the Smith & Wesson Model 5906, a semi-automatic 9mm pistol, in addition to a few other approved weapons. In response to the North Hollywood shootout of 1997, LAPD officers had the option of carrying the Smith & Wesson Model 4506 and 4566 service pistols. Until 2002, LAPD officers standard issue pistol was the Beretta 92F. However, when William Bratton was appointed Chief of the LAPD, he allowed his officers to carry the Glock pistol, a weapon which the two previous departments he was chief at (the New York City Police Department and the Boston Police Department) carried. New officers graduating from the LAPD academy are now issued the Glock 22 but can qualify in a variety of firearms. Officers now have the choice of carrying
Beretta:
92F, 92FS, 92FS-Stainless Steel, 8045 (4” barrel)
Smith & Wesson:
459, 5904, 5903, 659, 5906, 645, 4506, 4566, 4567, 5903 TSW, 5906 TSW, 4569 TSW, and 4566 TSW.
Glock:
9mm: Model 34, Model 17, Model 19
.40 caliber: Model 35, Model 22, Model 23
.45 caliber: Model 21
The LAPD SWAT team decided to go with the Kimber Custom TLE II in 2002, renaming it the Kimber LAPD SWAT Custom II.[79][80] Before that, LAPD SWAT carried modified Springfield or Colt M1911 pistols.[80] SWAT's primary weapons are the Heckler & Koch MP5 series submachine guns and most officers choose the fixed stock A2 model. For assistant weapons, officers carry AR-15s and CAR-15s. In the '80s and early '90s they carried Colt RO727s and RO733s. In 2000 they imported the M4A1s. The LAPD recently announced that their new shotgun would be the Benelli M4 Super 90.



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If regular police officers carry "military weapons" it is generally because they got them cheap or free. They have no need of full auto weapons any more than criminals do. Note that despite the "firepower advantage" of the bank robbers, the only deaths in the firefight were...the bank robbers.

Most patrolmen these days have an ordinary AR-15 rifle in the trunk on the off chance that they need more effective range than their handgun will provide. A typical deer rifle would usually serve the purpose just as well.

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