Watching movies is one of my hobbies, so, of course I like American movies the most, but there is one thing that I really HATE on American movies!... that is making Europeans look stupid! As for Romanians, I haven't seen yet a movie in which we are shown in a good light, a movie in which the poverty isn't shown, or other bad things from here, or trying not to focus on our problems. When I started to watch this movie, I was amazed that a Romanian participated in a bank heist... because (as far as I know) there was never a bank robbery... about 2-3 years ago a Greek (Konstantinos Passaris) went into an exchange office in Bucharest and killed 2 people, got away with 150.000$, but was found by the police and sentenced to life in prison,... in Romania, I believe, and it started a huge scandal and everyday on the news everybody was talking about this... that is the most important event with weapons from Romania. I'm trying to say that it is unusual for someone to rob a bank in Romania, as for Emil don'tknowhow, I don't know what was in his mind. I was very angry when I heard Emil's accent in the movie. Romania is the only LATIN people in Eastern Europe, and of course we were communists, but that has nothing to do with the Russian language. If you (Americans) are making a movie, first investigate, find out how's our language and then do the accent, or leave it! And with Germany we don't have anything in common! As for other countries from Europe I have seen a lot of movies in which you show only stupidities! Like in the movie "Eurotrip", some students want to go to Germany, and by some mistake they arrive in Slovakia, (beautiful country with a lot more history than the US - any country from Europe has a lot more history than the US) and the country looks like after WW2. This is the only thing that I hate about Americans: that you think you are so better that any other country, that you are the smartest! You aren’t! You made your economy grow with the two world wars, made the money from the Europeans, and let’s not forget that you hadn't wars on your territory, except the independence war, don't know how many hundred’s years ago, and think about if Germany, for an example, it was devastated after two world wars lost... and they rebuilt their country and it looks great!!! But almost every country in Europe was devastated after the war, and some of them had the power to rebuild and others not, and remained down. So please be more respectful with the Europeans because we are respecting you, and we are not making fun of your problems like you do, in stupid movies. And to “CarriePhillips” who wrote “And the driver of the truck that the second robber Emil Matasareanu comandeered, didn't take his keys with him, it was an older truck and he locked the ignition......(not with the key) its a switch. Emil didn't know how to work it. He'd obviously never been in a vehicle like that before” I am sorry “miss you know everything”, but not everyone is expert in stealing cars, like you probably are! So leave it! I’m sure you don’t know a lot of other things that to someone else seem very easy.
well said that man. I'm from england and have visited eastern europe. The americans that make these movies probably know what it's like in eastern europe but have to pander to the average american viewer - which is sadly quite a dumb person who thinks that in England we all speak like the queen and are posh and that eastern europe stopped moving in 1948.
The accents can make a bad movie funny, laughing at how crap they are.
What's up with the tone of your email?!? Can't stand criticism, eh?
Your conclusion "DONT WATCH AMERICAN MADE FILMS IF YOU HATE AMERICA" is just another prove that the other guys are right: a conclusion pulled too early, and yithout ANY logic.
Most American movies are well done, well researched, and one can enjoy watching them even if they treat tricky themes - this is a thing the Amricans have, to transform information into entertainment. But SOMETIMES the get "over the borders" (of good taste, of too much simplification and sometimes even racism).
So please try to UNDERSTAND the critism instead of spitting four-letter-words. Switch your brain on before you talk (or write).
I know that the movie is based on a true story, i have seen the documentary on Discovery, and i have said that, but who said that i hate America?????? What's wrong with you? I said that i hate american movies in wich you make fun of europeans. Is that wrong? Wouldn't you hate european movies if we would make fun of you, and would not resprect you? And wnat wrong have i said about the police officers??? Who said anything wrong about them? They do their best and that's great. I don't understand why you are making me a "vile pig", have i offended you? if yes, with what?
Well done msigarteu for not lowering to nw0's level.
Do you nw0 see the difference? msigarteu has made a very interesting posting in criticizing something about the movie. Criticizing is considered in most of the cases a method to improve things. Also his post contains ideas and remarks well documented or at least backed up by something. On the other hand your post is short, vulgar, contains no interesting idea and is not a reply to msigarteu's post, as you failed to understand the discussion carried on the side of this movie. I am sorry to announce you nw0,(all others may forgive my sarcasm) but there is a saying in eastern europe "better silent and wise, then loud and stupid". As for the movie, no point in making any remarks anymore, it might hurt some feelings and the discussion will be again carried away from the movie to vulgarity. Oh, for the record, I am a romanian...and also for the record, I can speak English with 3 accents least (British,American,eastern European). In Europe, I can find a lot of people who can do that. Also in Europe I can find a lot of people who can speak other languages than own as well. How many americans can? Don't start being rude. I beg you, if you cannot answer in a decent manner, do not trouble to answer at all.
IgnitionL.A.P.D. When cops are taking care of business I can understand But the L.A. story‘s gone way out of hand Their acts of aggression, they say they‘re justified But it seems an obsession has started from the inside They‘re shooting anyone who even tries to run They‘re shooting little kids with toy guns Take it to a jury but they don‘t give a damn Because the one who tells the truth is always the policeman
Beat all the *beep* Beat whoever you see Don‘t need a reason (We‘re) L.A.P.D.
The city of L.A. feels like a prison With helicopters overhead and bullets whizzing by Martial law ain‘t no solution Police brutality‘s just social pollution
Beat all the white trash Beat whoever you see Don‘t need a reason (We‘re) L.A.P.D.
They say they‘re keeping the peace But I‘m not buying it because a billy club ain‘t much of a pacifier “Protecting your freedom” Now that‘s just a lie It‘s an excuse for power that‘s more like an alibi Law and order doesn‘t really matter When you‘re the one getting bruised and battered You take it to a jury, they‘ll throw it in your face Because justice in L.A. comes in a can of mace
Msigarteau: We don't make movies in America to please every small European country. They are made to entertain AMERICANS. I'm sorry that your country wasn't among the war torn nations that RECEIVED MONEY FROM AMERICA and allies to rebuild after WWII (Like Germany as you mentioned). I'm also sorry that your country is so impoverished today, one of the many living proofs that communism doesn't work economically. You'd think that with all that HISTORY under your belt you'd have figured out by now how to have a sucessfull economy.
And yes it's true that most Americans don't give a sh*t about a lot of the countries around the world (especially ones who don't contribute much to the economy), just look at our geography. We're practically an island over here with only two other countries on our borders. Prove to us that we should care and that it would actually have a relevance in our everyday lives and maybe we will change our minds.
Finally, we've had FIVE major wars on our territory you dipsh*t. French-Indian War, Revolutionary War, War of 1812, Civil War, and Spanish-American War. And yet, we recovered quickly from all of them (even the Civil War which is arguably the most brutal war to that date) I guess they don't teach that in your schools because it's not YOUR history. But then again, in all of my World History classes the name Romania might have been mentioned 2-3 times tops? It was always that country that's near Russia but wasn't important enough to merit as much attention as Russia.
I'm sorry if my tone comes off to you as another 'snooty American know it all', but you should think before you jump on the America-slandering bandwagon about world history. America is perhaps the first dominating power in the world that hasn't abused the new gained power through the conquering of smaller, weaker territories (Examples: Egypt, Greece, Persia, Rome, Great Britain, Germany, Russia)
First... let's not forget that all american movies run in europe too,... and other continents, and brings lots of cash... and i'm sure that the producers/directors are making movies for the rest of the world too, not just for the US. I'm sure the their hunger for money is bigger that their patriotism. Again... if you don't know something, don't speak about it. When we have had the comunist government life was better... everyone had a job (if someone wouldn't want to work - he/she would be imprisoned), home, money, but one could not be free to do what one wants, one could not travel to other countryes, as for the economy Romania had no external loans... other countries loaned money from Romania, and we had an internal economy, no merchandise imported, only exports. And history has nothing to do with the economy. I wanted to say that Europe has countryes with thousands of years of history (like Romania), and you appeared in the last 4-500 years, no importand wars on your territory, and you've made lots of money from uor wars in the last 100 years, and ask yourself if your country would have been bombed like europe was in ww2, how would it looked like today. If you have seen "the pianist"... imagine your country like warsaw was in the movie. n a war almost all the money is spend on the military. After you lose a war, and your country loks life *beep* imagine how much money you need to rebuild the country. You shouldn't make me a *beep* because i don't know how many wars you had on your territory beacuse i'm sure that you don't know one war from Romania. And romania is not "that country near Russia" because it isn't near Russia. Look at a map.
Yes, I'm sure movie makers' capitalist pig impulses outweigh their PATRIOTism. Like in the movie the PATRIOT, they wanted it to be #1 in England's box offices so they portrayed the English as kind and gentlemanlike in war. But somehow they still got pissed off and now Mel Gibson is banned from England.
Why do you still say we had no 'importand' wars on our territory when that was easily disproved in my last post. Five MAJOR wars on US soil in the past 250 years, most of them probably bigger in the grand scale than any war the small, low-populated, mostly-landlocked country Romania has ever seen.
History has EVERYTHING to do with economics. Imagine what it would be like today without figures and events such as the Industrial Revolution, John-Maynard Keynes to name a few. You even said so yourself that America's enconomy boomed from WWII. Is that not history?
There's no way the entire United States could have been bombed to the extent that Europe was, because planes couldn't fly that far back then, closest they could get to us was Hawaii. But if we were bombed to the extent of our close ally England was in WWII, we would have had no problems recovering, just as they didn't.
And you're right, I don't know the 'Wars of Romania vs other tiny country that no one cares about of 1614.'
Yes and I am sure you all knowing americans knew that churchill and roosevelt sent Romania and eastern Europe in Russia's hands after WWII after signing a treaty, right? SO do not tell us about we being comunists and our economy being low, when you have everything to do with this. You and UK.
Oh, you had 5 wars? my god...in 250 years...no kidding. I know all that, we are thought about it in worlds history. What you don't know is something else. I am not going to tell you all romanian history, but just that from 1400-1500 on romanian teritory there were no more than 50 major battles. Some took a couple of months, some took a couple of years...so don't cry about your 5 wars. I would be ashamed to talk about such wars in my own country, for you battled your own people, and natives...you killed natives better said.
And about we not knowing what a major war is like the WWII as you said? we fought in WWII with people...not *beep* A-bombs. And now you are searching Iraq for mass destruction weapons,the same people that bombed 2 cities with atomic power. I would not be surprised if the mass destruction bombs in Iraq would be american brand.
First off, I'm not by any means trying to brag about the size and quanity of American Wars. I was responding to an extremely ignorant statement stating that the US only had one war on its soil.
This statement makes me cringe: "You killed natives" This could be substituted with: 'people who you may or may not be related to killed natives in military battles over 200 years ago, which happened to take place in the same lands you now inhabit, and because of this fact I will hold you personally accountable for these peoples actions' <- The latter statement would have been the same idea, more thought out, but equivalent in ignorance.
I'm surprised you even mention the 2 a-bombs used on Japan at the end of WWII, because it does absolutely NOTHING for your argument. No matter what angle you look at it, IT SAVED PEOPLE'S LIVES. People ask how you can save lives by taking lives? Well, Hiroshima and Nagasaki are one of the prime examples of this in history. Two cities lost as opposed to an entire nation. 100,000 people dead as opposed to millions from a land invasion.
Maybe arabs at this point should consider bombing your cities with A-power so that killing on their lands may stop. Is that not it? Ignorant you say, I am tired of american ignorance, and apparently only an answer as ignorant as americans give are heard by such as you.
"America is perhaps the first dominating power in the world that hasn't abused the new gained power through the conquering of smaller"---isn't this nice? You did not abuse your power in middle east...oh, no...and Vietnam was not an abuse of power...since you got blown away...the storm desert was not an abuse of power...just because you did not conquer this lands, you call this not an abuse? You are looking for Oil in Iraq my american citizen...not peace...OIL...this is what America is doing when it is not abusing? Mighty God, please help me understand how they did not abuse power in eastern europe when they razed a capital, some cities, and some lifes? not much couple of hundreds, or even more...
Gotta have the token "blood for oil" statement, you can't have a complete america-bashing thread without it =]
Face it, America is the lesser of all evils, that is unless you prefer the ancient Roman style of conquer everything around you, or the old Great Britain policy "make the world England"
Iraq broke 13 UN policies, each one of those policies being enough to wage war according to UN laws. President Bush received false intelligence that Iraq possessed these weapons, and it didn't help that Sadamm was bluffing that he possessed such weapons the whole time in order to keep Iran away.
The US gets one spoil from this war, Oil, and people immediately rush to say that was the entire reasoning behind it. Next people will be saying we went into Vietnam for the huge rice reserves.
The bottom line is that oil is a moot point, North America has plenty of oil reserves to last to the hydrogen powered age that isn't too far from arriving.
The President received some intelligence that was correct and some that was incorrect. They focused on the incorrect intel because they wanted a war, that much is clear.
And that war is related to oil. You have to be able to see that. Our history of intervention in the Middle East brought us to this point. We have no other interest there, really. It was the intervention for oil that spawned terrorism, so even if you're one of these zealots who believe Iraq is about terrorists, you can still trace it back to oil.
Of course, there's no spoils because we haven't won the war. It's too destabilized for oil companies to develop the fields. Their roughnecks would be shot, their pipelines bombed. No right-thinking insurance company touch it with a 10 foot pole.
As for our oil reserves making anything a moot point, that's ridiculous. Look around you! This country depends on oil. Domestic production is expensive, and the product is a commodity that's subject to a world market price. We NEED cheap oil. Without it our economy slows down to the point that it becomes a serious national security issue, whether or not we're militarily engaged somewhere.
Hydrogen's a long way away. There are a lot of technical hurdles to overcome, and by the time it's efficient, oil will be in even shorter supply. That means we're headed for a rough transition. We should've started the process much sooner so we could exploit oil independence as an economic advantage. We had all the money and expertise to do this several years ago. As it, there are two countries way ahead of us and a couple more on par.
"Five MAJOR wars on US soil in the past 250 years, most of them probably bigger in the grand scale than any war the small, low-populated, mostly-landlocked country Romania has ever seen." From where the *beep* do you know what kind of wars have we had on our territory you allknowing american, and what makes you sure that your wars have been bigger than ours. I don't give a *beep* about wars and i ain't gonna argue what war was bigger, but i hate that you americans think that everything that you have/had is bigger and better than any other countryes have. I hate you because you think you are the greatest and bestest and no other country can be compared to you! "But if we were bombed to the extent of our close ally England was in WWII, we would have had no problems recovering, just as they didn't." Of course you wouldn't have problems - you are america! The bestest and the smartest.
ilie-2 said: "And now.. just to put gasoline on the fire... the general impression in this "third world" coutry is that expect for the brilliant minds that you IMPORTED from other coutries over the years the average american is faaaaar less educated than europeans.": exactly what i wanted to say! Nothing to comment!
msigarteu is so right, r.tard. romania stopped in the 1500, if i remember well enough, the turks invasion. the entire europe was demoralised after wins over wins of the turks and nowadays you would have spoken turkish if the 3rd world country wouldn't have stopped a 5-times bigger army. by the way, come to my 3rd world country house and see my converse and superstars in my feet to my dc hat.romania is not that poor, moron.
Okay trigster, i see you are a full blown american. Don't worry, i don't hate you, i hate your goverments foreign policy, ignorance and bigotry. Oil is power, whoever controlls the oil, controlls the market. US want's to control it, of course, you guys need it, 80% of the oil is used up by your cars, buses, trucks etc. If no oil, than no traffic, no moving merchendises, stores would be emptied in hours, anarchy and chaos would rampage through the streets of big cities, the govermnent and the whole economy would colapse. And it will, it's just a matter of time. It would be 1929 again, only worse. If not by oil shortage, then the by the parasite bankers. You are waging war againts time, not terrorists. Don't worry, it's not like Europe would not be in the same boat with the US, or in a sinking ship, for better analogy. Governments would fall, radical islamist would gain more power, Europe would be a warzone, ethnic and religious clensing would be rampant everywhere.
Now for the part where you obviously don't know the major wars with the Roman and Ottoman empire. Of course the romans kicked ass, but their culture had a great influence on romanian language and the way of life.
The turks annahilated most of central Europe, Hungary and Romania fought with them many times, as well other nations. We had our own victories, but the Ottoman army was the most advanced at that time, great in numbers and technologicaly supperior. Resistance was futile. Since this thread is about Romania, i won't go into the Austro-Hungarian era. And don't forget, if Budapest wouldn't hold out for 103 days againts the communists scum, the present would be very different. Even for the US.
The fact is, that your whole country was born and built on the bones of many native-americans. It was genocide, i don't care how you sugarcoat it. So you should get the *beep* down from your high horse. Maybe you are high and mighty now, that just means that when you fall, the harder you will hit the ground, it will be the end of your United States. Until then, sit back, drink your beer, or whatever you like, watch the game on your wide screen TV. Enjoy life, while you can, maybe we get tired of slaughtering eachother, and arguing on the internet,
I know right, killing native indians must have been a huge bump for your economy. I can't imagine how you recovered from that. And you are getting upset when people are calling Americans stupid. Stay there in your f-cking country, all most every country in the world hates USA but from you media you think that you are something grat and everybody loves you.
No Raylan, I'm gonna bet my life on you being the only friend I have left in this world.
My american friend you are so right. Why should you mighty american care about any other countries other than the ones at your borders or major economic contributors.... I mean Afganistan is just a desert right?
In my opinion (and i don't really give a *beep* about America because i have bigger problems than that... like you know.. survival... but anyway... just for the sake of polemic) this anti-american movement will continue throughout the world until all the americans, including average people, will make a serious change in their attitude.
And now.. just to put gasoline on the fire... the general impression in this "third world" coutry is that expect for the brilliant minds that you imported from other coutries over the years the average american is faaaaar less educated than europeans.
"And now.. just to put gasoline on the fire... the general impression in this "third world" coutry is that expect for the brilliant minds that you imported from other coutries over the years the average american is faaaaar less educated than europeans."
I guess there a few things that Americans could learn from Europe, but obviously sentence structure is not one of them.
You two are amazing! Now that you don't have anything to say, you argue about how we write in english? For the record only, how many foreign languages do you speak, and how good are you in writing???
msigarteu, degeaba ai dat un proverb in romaneste. Nu cred ca ignoranta lor va fi depasita intr-atat incat sa incerce sa afle ce inseamna. Vroiam sa propun romanilor din acest forum sa incheiem discutia ca nu isi mai are sensul dupa parerea mea.
for trigster: "Five MAJOR wars on US soil in the past 250 years, most of them probably bigger in the grand scale than any war the small, low-populated, mostly-landlocked country Romania has ever seen" you keep theory on ingnorance? I would have stated this: "my knowledge on romania's scale is that it reaches dimensions of one of our states, with a population number that as far as I know it is not that large, and geographically speaking with no major openings to the oceans or seas. Also due to the fact my knowledge on romania wars is limited I ASSUME we had 5 wars bigger than you may have encounter." I rest from now on, for this discussion has reached far away from it's original point, and there is nothing I find interesting anymore in sharing points of view with americans and their ignorance. I would take my ideas in a place where people actually have knowledge on what they are talking about. A european forum maybe, I have seen europeans minds at work, and it is a far more interesting challenge. Have a nice life!
all would have been right if after we beat the axis we could have superintended the world, dressed you up in suits and made you speak english and sit in parliaments,,, regretfully the world is so big we had to share some of that responsibility with our war time ally the ussr
Oh my GOD! They had 5 major wars in 250 years!!!! Should we count the wars that we had in almost 2004 years of history?? With this kind a people you deserve that kind of president....and that speaks a lot about your IQs .... Rest in peace, so called americans (cause you do not represent the average american) .. rest in peace cause you're minds already does that ...
"Msigarteau: We don't make movies in America to please every small European country. They are made to entertain AMERICANS. I'm sorry that your country wasn't among the war torn nations that RECEIVED MONEY FROM AMERICA and allies to rebuild after WWII (Like Germany as you mentioned). "
We didn't build up Amerika to please every small American...
And also, we didn't GET the money, we borrowed it with a really big interest, it was called Marshall help. Helping the Marshalls to fill thei own pockets. And the allies the US send? Sure, they were good guys and I respect them with honour. But the Russians took about two-third of the german army, why don't they get credits?
"Finally, we've had FIVE major wars on our territory you dipsh*t. French-Indian War, Revolutionary War, War of 1812, Civil War, and Spanish-American War. And yet, we recovered quickly from all of them (even the Civil War which is arguably the most brutal war to that date)" Welly, welly, welly, welly, welly, well, you've got FIVE whole wars? Wauw, I mean FIVE entire wars... Damn, put it next to WW2 and it's like a domnestic disturbance...
"America is perhaps the first dominating power in the world that hasn't abused the new gained power through the conquering of smaller, weaker territories " I name Iraq, Vietnam, oh, wait you guys lost that last one...
Please man, this is why some Americans piss me off, those chauvinist pigs, I really hate them. Now, I have American relatives, and I love them, really, so I don't hate the entire country, but please Americans like you should really change their minds, it's so... Dritte Reich alike
you guys need to get off of the internet and get a life. you know that if you met each other on the street (enjoying life outside of the virtua-world), in america or romania, you would not treat each other with such extraodinary stupidity. we are all humans. the internet is ripe with opportunities to lower yourselves into an impersonal interaction- which has virtually no intellectual value. there is nothing wrong with being critical about a movie- *objectively critical*. i usually dont even even post on these things, but this thread was absurd. thank you all for wasting my time. next time, for everyone's sake, abandon the text based sparring for some other more useful form of criticism, maybe write a book or something... calling names is for children on the playground.
hey you tied to make a good point but missed some big matters first of all as you said the movies are trying to please americans, well look around and see how many europeans live in america now days. second of all america is one of the youngest countries in the world yet they act like theyre god, and yes youre the richest country but the reason why is because all those europeans you're ripping on came over here decades ago and built this country. also about the wars the civil war wasnt even close being the most brutal war in ww2 over 65 million people died and only 600,000 americans and finally while you had your little war of 1812 europe was getting ripped by napoleon and america was nowhere to be seen
what are you whining about? the bank robbers, the Romanian especially, were the biggest badasses in the movie. two of them, just two of them, vs. the entire LAPD? you gotta have *beep* enormous brass balls to even think about that. total badasses. you should be proud this guy was romanian. two of them owned the LAPD for almost an hour. that is *beep* hard ass.
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yeah man... you are right! I take back all my words, and i come to the conclusion that you are the gratest people of all and we Romanians are the most violent. I am proud beeing a Romanian, and i'm sure you would be too. *smiles*
i'm sorry that i'm saying this, but have you even read what I have writtn at the begining of this post? It's not about Emil or the fact that the directors have chosen to make this movie about this bank robery in wich a romanian had participated. It's about the fact that you americans think you are the best and bla bla...
You shouldn't judge me and what i think. How can you say that i should believe you that i am a racist if you haven't met me, and haven't had a discussion with me. First of all i am not in the US, and have never been. If i would have been, my feeling would have been probably, the same or i would like you. I DO NOT HATE AMERICANS as i have said in many previous posts: "I like American movies the most, but there is one thing that I really HATE on American movies!... " "I know that the movie is based on a true story, i have seen the documentary on Discovery, and i have said that, but who said that i hate America?????? What's wrong with you?" ... the truth is, i hate what i see on your movies. What that is i have written in my posts. And DO NOT MAKE ME A RACIST because YOU AMERICANS are the bigest rasists of all. You don't even know me.
"YOU AMERICANS are the bigest rasists of all. You don't even know me."
First of all, your spelling is *horrid*. Second, that statement cannot be proven, because there is racism everywhere; you can't say that us Americans are the biggist racists. What proof do you have that would make your statement true?
Hallo. Vould you like a roll in ze hay? Roll, roll, roll in ze hay.
i'am a european and i don't see the problem with american arrogance. I think that this patriotism(which can often be interpreted by some as arrogance) got them so far. But i don't envy america or americans. I think that the phrase "Best country in the world" is a very relative one. If your happy where you live then that's the best country in the world for you.
what the film concerns i think that the point of the movie was to bring lapd on a bright daylight so they did't focus that much on the bad guys and didn't make there characters as accurate as in real life. Besides, after a few day you even forget that robber was romanian. But i do agree with you (MSIGARTEU)on the point of respecting europeans more. After all most americans are of european heritage.
First of all, why are we picking on eachothers races? We are all the same, give or take a few small differences. Skin color - oh my. Accent - oh boy. It doesn't really matter! Not all Americans' are arrogant, and some Romanians' are arrogant. Some Russians are arrogant. Some of EVERY culture is arrogant.
D-Mana, I congratulate you on the best post made on this thread. You have the correct viewpoint. We don't usher ourselves above other people and say we are better. We just work for ourselves first, and then help others. Many countries simply help themselves and leave others behind. To survive, yourself must come first.
You can blast me because I love my country, but that just gives me the right one-hundred times over to blast you because you love your country.
"I'm sorry son, but dogs arent allowed on the shuttle. We'll have to shoot Scruffy."
i'm sorry for the length of this post, but there's just a lot i'd like to speak my mind about...
i had just watched this movie on tv a few hours ago, and found it really interesting because i remember watching all of this stuff on the news way back when it actually happened. i decided to come on imdb here and check out more info about the movie, which led me to look at the message boards and to this thread right here. i usually don't get involved in these message board wars and whatnot, but i kind of feel the need to defend myself from this stereotype that is being said about americans. which by the way, the people on this board do realize that the term "americans" also refers to those people in central and south america right? they are americans too, just for the sake of continuity in this thread, i'll just continue to call us americans when referring to US citizens.
first, msigarteu, as for your original post, you stated what you hate about american movies, how they get the accents wrong, which is totally fine, it's your opinion. i'm an italian-american, i was born here in america, but the rest of my family on both my father's and mother's side were born in italy. i know what an italian accent sounds like, and in movies it doesn't sound the same as the way most of my family speaks, but i don't fret over it. mainly because i know that there are many different dialects of the language, and where someone lives has a great impact on the way they speak.
i live in new york on long island, and just going from different parts of long island into queens, or into the city, there is a distinct difference in accents and the way people talk. the point is, just because in a movie if an accent doesn't sound "right" to you, doesn't mean it's necessarily wrong. as i said, in new york alone, there are several different dialects/accents/ways of speaking just in the general area of ny city and the 3 counties of long island, imagine how many there could be in all 50 states. there are 41 counties in romania, one would assume it would be the same case, where there would be different dialects and accents, no?
as for stuff like slovakia in eurotrip, (i'm not sure why you felt the need to point out that it has more history than the US), shouldn't be taken seriously. eurotrip is a comedy, just as team america world police is also a comedy. these movies aren't meant to be taken seriously. it just seems like in your first post you are trying to pick a fight (though i understand you may have just been on an angry rant):
"This is the only thing that I hate about Americans: that you think you are so better that any other country, that you are the smartest! You aren’t! You made your economy grow with the two world wars, made the money from the Europeans, and let’s not forget that you hadn't wars on your territory, except the independence war, don't know how many hundred’s years ago, and think about if Germany, for an example, it was devastated after two world wars lost... and they rebuilt their country and it looks great!!! But almost every country in Europe was devastated after the war, and some of them had the power to rebuild and others not, and remained down. So please be more respectful with the Europeans because we are respecting you, and we are not making fun of your problems like you do, in stupid movies."
while it may seem to people all around the world that all americans are arrogant and ignorant bastards, this is just not the case. of course, there are plenty of americans that are, but there are arrogant and ignorant people all over the world. in american pop-culture, we also make fun of ourselves, generally more-so than other countries. american culture is not all about bashing people of other nations at all. you say that americans should respect eurpeans, as you do to us? yet, that statement is hypocritical to your post and the many posts that follow, where you consistently bash americans. you do realize that all of the people living in america have come from other parts of the world right? i'm sure you do.
"And to “CarriePhillips” who wrote “And the driver of the truck that the second robber Emil Matasareanu comandeered, didn't take his keys with him, it was an older truck and he locked the ignition......(not with the key) its a switch. Emil didn't know how to work it. He'd obviously never been in a vehicle like that before” I am sorry “miss you know everything”, but not everyone is expert in stealing cars, like you probably are!"
that passage right there just comes off as a blatant attack on someone. it doesn't seem at all like the original author intended it to be an attack on the romanian, they were just stating a fact that he didn't know how to work it because he hadn't been in a vehicle like that before. they were not trying to imply that emil was stupid because he was romanian in any way. if anyone had been in the situation, regardless of race or gender or religion, and they had not been in a vehicle like that before, i'm sure they wouldn't know how to work it either. race is not an issue at all.
the entire 2nd half of your original post is just bashing americans, so yes, this can be viewed as offensive to people that are american. you say that we americans are ignorant, but yet as trigster pointed out, we have had more than just one single war on american soil, so you made yourself look uneducated, or ignorant on the subject. and while our civil war or our war of independence might not be viewed as an important war to you, being that you are romanian, it certainly was extremely important to us.
corillio, you make it a point to say that you can speak english in at least 3 different accents and that you know of a lot of people in europe that can do that. i know plenty of people here in america that can do that as well, not to mention many other accurate accents. and i know plenty of people that live here that can speak more than just english. i'd say a large majority of america is at least bilingual, because it's required in schools across the country that we take a foreign language, not to mention that since most people here have family that are from other countries now living here, such as myself, one could learn their language as well. does being able to speak more than one language or in more than one accent really have any weight in regards to europeans/rest of the world vs america? which by the way, i'm not trying to say that that was what you were going for, but it does seem like this thread has turned into everyone else versus america...
also, i don't understand how you could even dream of saying that the US only fights wars with atomic weapons. imagine yourself saying that to the face of a US WWII veteran who was at the frontlines, yes, that's right, we were there too. that was a completely ignorant comment on your part.
you do realize that the a-bombs were used in ONE war, that involved most of the world? hence the name World War II. perhaps if the US didn't step in and aid the allied nations that most of the world would probably be speaking german right now? yes, that might sound arrogant, but you can't deny that it could have possibly happened.
i'm not at all trying to say that the US single handedly defeated hitler or japan, it was definately a collective effort from all of the allies. the japanese dropped thousands of bombs at pearl harbor, and we dropped two on them. both sides suffered severe losses, and japan is still feeling the result of the attack on them, as children are being born with deformities because of the nuclear radiation and people have developed cancer. don't get me wrong, i think that the devestation from the nuclear weapons is terrible, but i agree with trigster. is it not better to end a war with the death of thousands instead of millions? is it not better to stop a power that is trying to take over the world then to let it dominate?
of any war in the history of the united states of america versus other nations, besides the american revolution, i believe in WWII we were completely justified in getting involved. and i'm pretty sure the allied nations appreciated our involvment in helping to end the war. however, i do not agree with the US's involvment in the wars afterwards. especially the war in iraq, because i am living through this piece of history. i personally think george w. bush is a complete idiot, and i honestly don't understand how he was elected president in the first place, nevermind for a 2nd term.
i don't particularly like how you are personalizing this argument. you said "You are looking for Oil in Iraq my american citizen." no, we as US citizens are not. just because our dolt of a president is, does not mean that every american citizen worships his rule as divine mandate. you must know about the protests that involve thousands of people everyday that happen all over the country, opposing the war. these aren't people from other countries coming here just to oppose the war, these are US citizens opposing the war. there are people outside the white house everyday, rain or shine, even in places around where i live, speaking out against the president and the war. don't judge every US citizen based on the ideals of one person.
"ilie-2 said: "And now.. just to put gasoline on the fire... the general impression in this "third world" coutry is that expect for the brilliant minds that you IMPORTED from other coutries over the years the average american is faaaaar less educated than europeans.": exactly what i wanted to say! Nothing to comment!"
this isn't a game of sports where we are drafting players for "team america". everyone that lives in the US is from other countries, you must understand that right? there are so many great minds and exceptional people that are born here on US soil as well. obviously, not EVERY single person born here is going to be an elite or the perfect specimen of human perfection, that is just rediculous. logically, there should be a better chance of there being smarter people elsewhere in the world, for the sheer fact that the US contains around 270 million people, while the entire world has around 7 billion people. obviously the US is just a small percentage of the total people in the world, so the chance that a life-altering world-changing genius is born in another country is very good. so what kind of point are you trying to make?
trying to get back to movies here and the issue that the one bank robber was romanian, i know you all know that this movie was based on actual events, and that he was in fact romanian. i'd just like to say that the last thing in my mind while watching the movie, or back in the day when this was first happening, was that "oh man, this is an evil romanian trying to kill americans and rob a bank, that must be what all romanians are about." i wouldn't ever even begin to think of something like that. the actions of ONE romanian does not make me view romanian people as a whole any differently. for whatever its worth, as a child growing up and watching the olympics, for whatever reason i used to cheer for romanians, among other nations. i was never particularly against any nation for that matter.
this goes for any race portrayed in movies or television. italians have been made fun of many times in movies due to stereotypes, such as if you're italian you must be in the mafia, or something silly like that. i don't take offense to it at all. there were many italian americans that were offended by the way italians are portrayed in the hbo series the sopranos. personally, i don't think they could've captured italian-american families better, because the way they act is exactly the way my family is, of course, minus all the violence and killing.
msigarteu, you really seem to have a deep personal hatred toward americans, based on what i've read of what you've written. when ramthar, teddiebearbunny, and enforcer82g try to point out that you have nothing to be so upset about, you lash back at them with needless sarcasm. you tell teddiebearbunny that they should not judge you, meanwhile, all you have been doing is judging americans. you have been going on and on in this argument that you hate how we americans are so arrogant and ignorant and uneducated and immoral. yet, you fail to see how an american would take offense to what you are saying and how they could possibly believe that you hate americans. you say that you are not a racist, and that we don't even know you, which is right. we don't know you. we are only going by what you've said in your posts, not making blind assumptions. but at the same time, you also do not know us. you seem to be looking at americans as a single entity; as one person, and that is simply just not the case. if you don't want to be judged, don't judge others.
anyway, as for d-mana's post and etty010's, i think those are among the most intelligent posts on this entire thread. they conveyed the idea i'm trying to portray, though in a much more condensed form. we are all individuals, and as a whole we are all human beings. there is no need for race to become an issue in any argument, like it became here. both sides here are guilty of being "ignorant", under-educated on the subject is a more friendly term to use.
msigarteu, basically what i'm trying to say is that noone is right in this situation, and that there's no need for this senseless fighting. i'm sorry if this came across as an attack on you, i didn't mean it like that at all. i was merely trying to defend myself and others from being pidgeon-holed into this "stupid american" stereotype and point out that not all americans fit this category in the least. just because a few films portray foreigners of the US in a negative light or inaccurately to your perception of what a certain nationality should be, doesn't mean that we all take it as personally or look at it as absolute fact. because a few jerks are arrogant and/or ignorant, that shouldn't mean that we all need to be viewed that way.
pufff... there are so many thing i like to say now. First of all i wanted after a post of somebody to quit writing on this post, so if i have answered to some post it was the shortest post i could write and probably it wasn't very explicit.
First i'd like to ask mole_man what does he mean with his post? "msigarteu, hey you know i a m German and in both wars romania was one of the countries surrounding germany that provided men, resources, etc. lots of oil you guys hlped us in the war" ok, i knoiw that? and? ...
I am sincerly sorry for what YOU THINK i am as a person. For where the discussion had reached. Porbably the most of you would never want to meet me in person. :) Probably you think i'm full of hate and mean. Well, i'm not. It's just that i have seen these two movies 44 minutes and eurotrip and got angry beacause the way they have been made. The truth is, as you dullrazorblades said, i have judged you americans as you would all be the same. I' sorry for that. I am shamed of many romanians too beacause they go in western europe searching for a better life and hope they will find "rivers of honey and milk" (romanian saying) and when they realize that that it in not like that, they begin to steal. And there are a lot of them. I am sorry for them, i am sorry for the fact that we have too many gipsies in this country, and they are believe me the worst thing you could ever see, and could happen to a country. :))
Anyway i will not became the second Osama Bin Laden, :) or something like he. In my opinion countryes like Irak or Afganistan should be bombed and make great lakes or seas out of them :))) just kidding....
As for you dullrazorblades, if you would wanted to comment on all tnis post ans to say who was wrong and who was right you should've seen the mistakes that other users have made american/the rest too, not only to criticise what i have written. Anyway, it doesn't matter any more. It's difficult for me to write all of my thoughts in english so don't be afraid... i won't become a terrorist.. i won't kill you :)))))))) yuo bastards :)))
this last post you made is the most rational and calm one you've made in this thread, which is a good thing. i may have gotten carried away, i really didn't realize how long that message i made was until after i posted it.
i can totally understand where you are coming from, i really didn't think that you were "full of hate" or anything, but that's the way that you were coming across in your posts. i hope you understand that i just felt the need to defend myself. i did mean for it to be focused towards you, mainly because you had started this thread. it really wasn't anything personal. i had been mad at some of the things that were said about americans, but i already figured that people around the world thought this way about us, and i hate that.
in bush's term, i feel like our foreign policy is totally shot. we're getting on everyone's bad side, and i don't like that at all. it's really not fair that because of one person, (which i'll say again, i just can't understand how he was elected twice), everyone hates us and looks at us as arrogant and ignorant. in bush's defense, i realize that during other wars like vietnam people protested against the US getting involved, but in these past few years things just seemed to have drastically gotten worse. i just hope everything turns out for the best in the end.
i know little about the gypsies, but i know that there are gypsies in italy from what my family has told me. and they are very sneaky and steal things right out from under you, that doesn't sound too appealing at all.
And about G. Bush beeing reelected, to tell you the truth in HIS mandate have we romanians entered the NATO alliance, as for his time beeing president, as long as it concerns us romanians, it was only a good thing for us. Let's hope it will be the same.
As for the war in Irak, i hate wars, crime, bla bla... but let's face it: somebody has to maintain order in this world, hasn't? As long as the japs or european countryes do nothing about these terrorists we should thank G Bush for what he does(and american soldiers of course). To be honest, i know nothing about the true cause of this war, (the TRUTH, if there is one) prossibly interests of oil in Irak, or some other things from wich U States could benefit, but if you can, in an ending, destroy all terrorists, HELL THAT'S GREAT! Because i'm sure that above all interests (if there are any), to stop terrorists is the main cause of this war(at least i hope so).
I remember now two cases in which the americans have not acted correctly. Minor but important. 1. It hapenned on the 4th december 2004 i think. An american office worker at the US Embassy in Romania drank above the legal limit (0.8g/ml - in romania that's prison if you cause an accident or not), and killed a romanian rock artist named Teo Peter who was in a cab in an intersection which had an semaphore, in which the american had red light and the taxi had green. If it was his fault or not the american office worker should have been imprisoned. The american was sent in the US and as far as we know here he is still free, and the US authoriryes are doing nothing to investigate his case.
2. (I don't know this case wery well, so i hope i'm not mistaking) The case in which a car with a italian female reporter was released by the terrorists, and have passed by some american soldiers and they have fired at the car. The bodyguard of the reporter was killed. The italians were very angry and have protested at the US Embassy in Rome.
I don't say now that i hate you or something like that, i'm saying only that it is not correct, in the situatiuon of the romanian guitarist, for his family, friends, fans, and romanians, that the american wouldn't be tried.
Except these two cases and some movies you are pretty ok :)
yeah! romanians unite! i was adopted when i was 2, so i dont really remember romania, but i've spent enough time at adoption meetings and just researching it just because I want to know what it's like for me to be able to state that the us really sucks. they have everything, and while they cannot muster up enough money to get troops into a war which we unessicarily caused, they can muster up adding an extention to disney world that would cost a quarter of a billion bucks. they waste too much on luxury, and that will be the downfall of america in probably 50-100 years.