Stop comparing Miike to Lynch


Miike in my opinion is the greatest director that ever roamed the earth. If you must make a comparison, call the inferior the greater. In other words, Miike is not "Lynchian", Lynch is "Miikean."

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True story. Quite frankley, I still beleive Both Directors take two different sides of their films. While Lynch takes an almost American Gothic twist on his films, Miike goes all out on a more Animee style limb. Both directors have great films, but both both are relativlly different. I say this and think it's because of their enviroments. So this leaves us with the question. Are you east coast, or west coast?

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I agree that both are master film makers. It just irks me that the only way that people seem to describe Miike is to compare him to Lynch. I think that each deserves their own credit, stand alone from other film makers in the industry. When I wrote the original comment, honestly I had just read about 10 user comments from various Miike films, and they all were summed up as being "lynchian."

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Anyone who makes unusual movies gets called "Lynchian" because David Lynch is the director that leaps to most people's minds for making unusual movies. The comparison is usually arse and lazy.

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Except that makes no sense, because Lynch came before Miike. That is why people say Miike's films have a Lynchian quality to them. Miike himself has said Lynch was an influence on him, or at least for this film.

Now, if another director came along and was influenced by Miike, then that director's films would have a Miikean quality to them.

Here's an example -- Citizen Kane featured a movie with scenes out of sequence. So did Memento. Now, would you say Orson Welles' movies had a Nolanian quality to them? Of course not, if anything, you would say Christopher Nolan's films have a Wellesian quality to them.

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well, at least Miike wasn't the one who made Dune.

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Miike had made some bad films too... please agree with me on this.

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Miike doesn't have 1 bad film.

and I was one of those that liked Dune, so David is in the clear too.

His daughter on the other hand...

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From what I remember David Lynch is popular in Japan and Twin Peaks hit it really big overthere. Mikke even states in an interview that he was influenced by Lynch and other great directors, but stears away from being a carbon copy from them by doing his own thing.

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I'd compare Miike to Tarantino over lynch..........................

except Miike's movies are usually darker but Tarantinos soundtracks are alot better.

I hate PG-13 horror flicks

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>>Miike doesn't have 1 bad film.
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He makes about 100000 a year, he's bound to have quite a few, and I assume you've seen more than a few and aren't just one of those people that watch Audition and proclaim themselves Miike scholars.

Izo wasn't very good, for starters.

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What does it matter? Apart from Gozu, the two have very little similarities.

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he is better than Lynch? c'mon. Lynch is one of the few film makers that you can honestly say is a visionary. whether you like him or not is a different story. he is much better than any japanese exploitation director.

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I agree, not that I dislike Miike, I think he's an amazing director, but he hasnt written and directed four films that are in my top ten. But I don't think there is a need to compare two great artists, they're both great in there own ways.

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Miike in my opinion is the greatest director that ever roamed the earth. If you must make a comparison, call the inferior the greater. In other words, Miike is not "Lynchian", Lynch is "Miikean."


You should have words with Miike himself, as he's gone on record to say that Lynch is one of his major influences. Doubly so with Gozu, as he cites Lost Highway as his inspiration for the flick.

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I think Miike is great and Lynch sucks. Therefore, they are not the same or I would like both.

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I like David Lynch. And I also like Takashi Miike. But could somebody please explain to me why people are evencomparing Lynch to Miike, and Miike to Lynch. I do not see any similarities between their films at all, other than the fact that they are both directors who make movies that have strange stories and strange characters in it. I know that Miike was inspired by Lynch in some ways, but i really don't see the comparison

Could somebody please explain this to me?

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Ha ha, Miike doesn't have any bad films? Have you ever SEEN Saleryman Kintaro?

Dikat in my Bloody Head

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To be honest I cant get on with lynch films. I can never really see the point of his movies. its almost like he is really really trying so hard to make something messed up he misses the point of telling a story. Mikke on the other hand ( I have seen little of the 10000000 films he has made) makes films that I cant help but grin all the way thru (and wince a little every now and then)

that is just my uneducated thoughts on the matter :) so dont get upset

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I agree with DAN 100 percent. I have said that before...for some reason it seems like LYNCH is TRYING too hard to be "weird". It seems forced. Miike somehow makes it seem natural.

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I think Lynch is a genius storyteller. Its not 'Weird for the sake of weird' at all. Its alternative, psychological ways of telling an often basic story.

Miike i do not compare to Lynch. He does'nt write films, he is a director for hire. I love the vision he gives to films, making them simultaneously humerous/horrific/bizarre and touching. I can see why a previous poster likens him to tarantino. Tarantino enjoys putting long segments in his films that don't necessarily add to the plot, yet they entertain. Miike adds directional flourishes that have the same effect.

Gozu is the most (sorry to use the term) Lynchian Miike has yet displayed and its one of my favourite of his films. Both filmmakers rule so the arguement is a tad pointless. A Japanese director who uses Lynch influences more is Shinya Tsukamoto.

BTW, Zebraman is a bad Miike film.

Theres no earthly way of knowing which direction we are going.

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totally uncomparable. Though Miike, Lynch and Cronenberg might be the 3 greatest directors of all time.

Even the greatest stars dislike themselves in the looking glass

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It's just surrealism, the similarity between the two. But if you say that, a lot of people would say 'huh?', so people say 'Lynchian'. That's it, no other reason to compare them, especially if you look at the general state of Japanese popular culture——a much more surreal place than the U.S. Film nerds on the other hand, can site closer comparisons or say 'surreal' and it's understood. Many artists have influences who are similar and some that are divergent——it's the strength of the artist that makes them unique, which Miike clearly is.

If you want to get a detailed look at Miike's output (and there really is a lot of bad stuff, even he would admit that I bet) then check out the book 'Agitator' which is ALL about Miike. Cheers!

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Miike is not "Lynchian", Lynch is "Miikean."


Miike may be better in your opinion, but you can't say that Lynch is "Miikean" seeing how Lynch started making films way before Miike. So if anything, he influenced Miike and not the other way around.

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Miike and Lynch for the most part have nothing to do with each other as far as style goes except for maybe being a little over the top (in very different ways.)

If the reason you're suggesting they're similar is because you saw Gozu, it's true... Gozu is Miike's tribute to David Lynch, hence the similarities (I heard after making the film he got to meet Lynch.)

Gozu is Lynchian, yeah, but Miike is not.

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this movie felt like a lynch movie but more sick like the Takashi movies should be!

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Full Metal Yukuza anybody?

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