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Fahrenhype 911 debunks much of this


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It does. Even watching Fahrenheit 9/11 you can see how Moore angles to make his point seem valid and goes for cheap "this will be good for video" tricks. I'm glad someone made a movie to counter this one. There are some god points in Moore's movie too but he will always be more about entertainment than truth.

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I'm not sure there are any factual errors in the movie- much if it is opinion anyway and opinion can't be 'debunked'.

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I think it's really hard at this point to deny most of what Moore presented in Fahrenheit 9/11 has been vindicated with time. Most Americans now agree with Moore that the Iraq War was a disaster that should never have been fought.

But on the margins, there were definitely distortions in the films, though no outright falsehoods that I remember. And the distortions in Fahrenheit 9/11 pale in comparison to the government and media distortions leading up to the Iraq War.
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The war was a disaster, no doubt. But, I get sick and tired of Bush and the USA getting 100% of the blame.

People seem to conveniently forget that the supposed intelligence that led them to believe Iraq had significant WMD's came from British Intelligence sources and Tony Blair was literally hand in hand along with Bush in convincing everyone to go to war.

"On 24 September 2002, the British government published its dossier on the former Iraqi leader's WMD with a personal foreword by Mr Blair, who assured readers Saddam Hussein had continued to produce WMD "beyond doubt"

And, it's not like it was just US and Britain fighting this war.... There were 38 other countries involved with troops on the ground for the coalition. 38!

So, yeah. The US and Bush deserve a LOT of the blame. The majority of us (US citizens) bought into the whole thing and supported it, many politicians on both sides did as well.

But, to act like the USA deserves all the blame is ignoring the big picture. Of course, everyone likes to distance themselves from it and point fingers and hope that history forgets things such as Britain's very large role in the whole mess.

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oh please, you can believe that only if you watch american attack on iraq isolated from everything else. but when you consider all of the many genocides america committed all over the world, iraq war kinda just clicks in really nicely and many things that had happened in iraq get new meaning when you consider that almost exact same things are always happening, or should I say, are almost always done.

People seem to conveniently forget that the supposed intelligence that led them to believe Iraq had significant WMD's came from British Intelligence sources and Tony Blair was literally hand in hand along with Bush in convincing everyone to go to war.


like you blaming blair for providing evidence, what, you actually think america wasn't capable of fact checking those? they didn't know they were dealing with falsehoods? please. there that decisive moment in every war america gets in. it's always like "oh american people didn't want to get into [that] war, but {this} happened"

as in:
[WWI] {sinking of Lusitania, which apparently they had reason to expect after germans said "we'll sink any foreign ship, even tourist vessels that enter our waters"}
[WWII] {pearl harbor which they provoked by antagonizing japanese}
[serbia] {genocide at rachak, which apparently wasn't a genocide but a battle of two militaries}
[afghanistan] {9/11}
[iraq] {wmd, oh yeah, now they didn't want to go to war, but then brits came out with evidence, how could they ignore that}
[ukraine] {allowing for starvation of russians and ukranians from se ukraine in hopes putin would sent aid, which they could then claim is "invasion"}
[syria] {wmd, which it turned out were actually used by terrorists america was funding}
[iran] {nuclear weapons,.. oh wait, that one hasn't started yet..}

so, this is not complete list of american wars, these are just the wars I as none american have followed/researched. all of the wars I followed, as in, I know of vietnam, I didn't follow it, but I think I read somewhere there was event that was apparently completely staged, that was also used to enter that war. So all of american wars I researched had this one thing in common. With all of them america didn't want to go to war, then something happened that has "forced their hand". I mean, what are the odds? I noticed other similarities too, but I don't want to go too wide on other similarities, that would take me forever, so I'm sticking to this one thing, cause you too have mentioned it, although you've limited your insight to only one war, and therefore you misunderstood what that one thing means.

Obviously, if this was just one war, yeah, it sounds like america was manipulated into war with iraq. but when you consider all these other wars, men, that starts to sound more like excuse than um, hook, line and sinker type of situation. they were not manipulated, it's exactly what they were looking for, and blair, well, scapegoats blair too

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Don't forget to what they did, and still do, to the American Indians.

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The 'hype' movie debunks nearly NONE of this movie. (I own the dvd's of both). It takes one thing, and keeps rehashing it in different ways, yet STILL is just their own twisted view/opinion. Doesn't actually debunk anything.

Nothing in Moore's movie has been dis-proven.

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