hey guyz
i was hopeing som1 could help me out.
when darcy and lalita r in goa at the pool talking, lalita says
"i thought we got rid of imperialists like you" (something lyk that anyway) and darcy replies "im not british, im american". then lalita says "exactly", gives him a look and walks away.
Why does she say 'exactly'?? my guess would be americans are imperialists too but i aint too sure?
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i dont have an answer to your question, but just a tip, please please use proper english if you want anyone to take you seriously.
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What is it with people and using proper English? Why does it matter? And if we're going to be picky then you should have used a capital 'I' and a semi-colon after 'tip'. However since you did not you obviously can have no valid point to make. Who cares if people use abbreviations or not? How can it possibly affect anything?
sharebecause it dumb downs the English language.
its a form of slang, if people are not discouraged from writing like tat, it may become the norm. would you really want your future generations to speak like that?
Who cares? Maybe the person was writing on a phone? FFS, shut up about stupid crap.
shareProlix_rose, Laurastuart was making a very valid point that so many of the very same people who tell others to use proper English do not properly use English themselves. It's very hypocritical of these people, but pretty funny to witness.
shareEver get caught saying something stupid, and rather than admit you were wrong when you were corrected, tried to make it sound like it was "exactly" what you meant? Lalita made a mistake, and when she was caught, she tried to cover it by implying that Americans were also imperialists. (But then, aren't we? We just use McDonald's and MTV to take over other cultures)
shareI don't think she was trying to cover it up. I think that's what she meant- that the Americans are as bad NOW as the British were THEN about taking over their country.
shareMy take on it was that she said exactly because, by saying he was American, he was confirming that he had no right to be as imperialistic as the British had been in the past.
shareWhen she says, "I thought we got rid of imperialists", there are two historical references that I picked up. The first is the independence of India--I believe Lalita meant that this freed India from the British colonialists. The second reference would be the various wars that America has been involved in. Since America has acquired control of various places, there's the idea of America becoming imperialist America.
What I think she's saying is, India is free of the British, but now the Americans are trying to take hold of its culture.
She's as nervous as a very small nun on a penguin shoot
I'm an american and I love my country (not government), yet I have no problem saying that we are at least pseudo-imperialistic.
I wish we would just focus on our own protection, and leave the rest of the world alone. By the way, it's not because I am a bleeding heart, it's because I don't think it's our job to fix everything or put our own kids in peril for nothing other than money for the government-owning special interest group/corporations.
answer the question next time.
what the hell is
"I wish we would just focus on our own protection, and leave the rest of the world alone. By the way, it's not because I am a bleeding heart, it's because I don't think it's our job to fix everything or put our own kids in peril for nothing other than money for the government-owning special interest group/corporations."
meant to mean anyway?
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No question about it, I agree. When Lalita said "exactly", she is showing that she´s not just a pretty face: she knows about international politics and about the way the world works.
shareNo, I think maxikyd got it right - it was a fluff on Lalita's part, and her attempt to recover from her mistake. It's more of an attitude problem than knowledge of international politics. In fact I think that's one of the greatest weaknesses of the movie - Lalita is supposed to be so lively and spirited, but mostly she comes across as rude and smart-mouthed. Throughout the movie she's much ruder to Darcy than he ever is to her.
I wonder if it isn't because as a Bollywood heroine, it's just assumed that the audience is going to like her - and the scriptwriters get lazy and don't try very hard to actually make her likeable.
I think she's just saying 'you're as bad as them'. (And the English were pretty bad). From her point of view Americans are charging in and taking control, exploiting people, and being generally imperialistic. Makes sense to me.
shareI agree with abutzen
sharei agree with you, abutzen...I'm a huge fan of the book, the A&E version and the more modern version with Kiera Knightly...and as much as I like Bride and Prejudice, Lalita comes off from the moment she has her first conversation with Darcy as though she's looking for a fight. Elizabeth is, as you just said in your post, someone of life and spirit-not a chip on her shoulder. Perhaps Ms. Rai should have read the book to actually let the Character of Elizabeth influence her...
This is not an adaptation of the book. This is a modern story that was inspired by the book. They are two very different things.
sharei understand that, and can totally appreciate it.
and while i absolutely love it-since it follows the main storyline as well as any other story i've seen updated; i just wondered why lalita came across sooooo harshly as opposed to something a bit more grounded and spirited. they brilliantly combined the two youngest bennett sisters to create lahki-impetuous, foolish, boy crazy, attention seeking. just wish they'd done lalita the same justice.
in the end, i suppose it's just a matter of personal taste-just as it was for the people who adapted the screenplay for this movie.
no harm, no foul. :)
After watching it so many times, it seems that Lalita starts to becomes ticked off at Will because he seemingly snubs her family and her mother makes the comment that the rich American doesn't think they are good enough for him.
In reality, Will's pants keep falling down and he is preoccupied by that.
So they start off on the wrong foot.
Then he makes comments about her country and her culture that cements her initial misunderstanding of his refusal to dance with her or one of her sisters.
Every time he opens his mouth after that it only seems to make things worse.
(And he does have some ethno-centric prejudices that he eventually admits to.)
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Lalita's pretty hypocritical. She slams Darcy for not liking the idea of arranged marriages, yet she recoils at the idea of being involved in one herself. Remember, at the beginning of the film, she questions her friend's decision to marry someone she doesn't know.
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It's not arranged marriage that she is recoiling from, it is the choice of groom she finds objectionable. I bet if the groom had been someone selected by her father, she might have agreed to his choice since he seemed more interested in her ultimate happiness and not just getting her married off.
And she doesn't so much question her friend's decision as she inquires if she is sure of her decision. The difference between asking, "is this what you really want?" vs. "Have you lost your mind?"
If this story is truly based on the original P&P than it would not make sense that she (being the Elizabeth) would attempt to cover a faux pas. She was well read and educated. That was what was so central to the theme of the story. As for imperialism on the part of the U.S., the only people who would think we aren't imperialists are citizens because they are kept unaware (as portrayed by the character in the film). For all the people on this thread who are actually unaware of this, just read a little about Structural Adjustment Policy, think about it, marinate in it, and imagine how you could live without knowing about this if it were in your life.
shareIts because Americans are Imperialist and still are...maybe not the same but they are Imperialist in the sense of Business, trade, and economics...she said that because he was going to buy the Hotel and Exploit India
shareThis whole time I always thought she said "I thought we got rid of British people like you" and then he says "im not British, im american" :S I didnt even know she said "imperialist"
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don't confuse imperialism with capitalism. Everybody is trying to do capitalism these days, and, for the most part, it brings many benefits.
shareImperialism has many new forms now....it can take the form of Capitalism...
shareimperialism has been around for centuries, millenia. Capitalism, as a lifestyle is pretty much an American product...
shareSeeing as India is the fastest growing economy in the world, she really doesn't have room to talk. Seeing as many of our jobs are leaving the US and getting outsourced there, you could say that India is taking OUR country over in a manner of speaking ...
sharevery good point!!
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You have to look at the whole conversation if you're going to address this question, not just one line. Darcy clearly thinks like many Americans; about having certain "standards" and feeling that many places (like India) do not live up to them. Lalita doesn't care that Darcy has standards. She cares that he tries to impose them on others. It is this idea that has turned many people off around the world toward Americans; that Americans think and believe that their way is best way or the right way. This is foolish ignorance.
I lived and worked in Kazakhstan for 2 years with the U.S. Peace Corps. I had time to visit India while I was there. People in these countries don't mind Americans except when Americans try to impose their own beliefs and ways of life upon them. I actually had a student ask me, "why do Americans think they can tell everyone what to do and how to live?" I told my students to not pay attention to such statements, because these are made by Americans who have no respect for the culture and lifestyles of others. I told them to appreciate themselves and not to adopt all of our ways.
I'm glad to see that India and other countries are able to stand on their own feet and are finally giving America competition (in many ways, in fact, they are beating us).
When Americans can truly respect others and refrain from the ignorance that they have a right to tell others how to live, then perhaps Americans will finally get some respect and even gratitude, because much of the world is sick of it, I don't blame them one bit.
In a way you could say it is true. India is competition with us [like China], but it's mainly due to their large populations, meaning more workers. But most Indians live in severe poverty; in Mumbai [Bombay] 40% of the people live in poverty and the electricity goes off there 2 times a day. Each country has it's positives and negatives, but when compared side by side, Americans are by far more well off than the average Indian or Kazakhstanian. Have you ever thought some of the hostility is pure jealousy?
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You have to look at the whole conversation if you're going to address this question, not just one line. Darcy clearly thinks like many Americans; about having certain "standards" and feeling that many places (like India) do not live up to them. Lalita doesn't care that Darcy has standards. She cares that he tries to impose them on others. It is this idea that has turned many people off around the world toward Americans; that Americans think and believe that their way is best way or the right way. This is foolish ignorance.
I lived and worked in Kazakhstan for 2 years with the U.S. Peace Corps. I had time to visit India while I was there. People in these countries don't mind Americans except when Americans try to impose their own beliefs and ways of life upon them. I actually had a student ask me, "why do Americans think they can tell everyone what to do and how to live?" I told my students to not pay attention to such statements, because these are made by Americans who have no respect for the culture and lifestyles of others. I told them to appreciate themselves and not to adopt all of our ways.
It's actually funny these days to see Americans do this, since the U.S. is actually falling behind much of the world in nearly every category (education, quality of living, etc.), which makes Americans all the more absurd when they try to makes others follow them.
I'm glad to see that India and other countries are able to stand on their own feet and are finally giving America competition (in many ways, in fact, they are beating us).
When Americans can truly respect others and refrain from the ignorance that they have a right to tell others how to live, then perhaps Americans will finally get some respect and even gratitude, because much of the world is sick of it, I don't blame them one bit.
"Ugly American" stories are rather droll. There are "ugly xxxxx" you put in the country of your choice... for the whole world. With respect to Imperialism, the USA has little to apologize.
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Then why sully yourself on a website created and run by greedy and arrogant Americans?
Then again maybe no one in your wonderful country knows how to create a website, eh?
if you directed that statement to me - then you are out of your mind...
shareI will agree to this that the character of Lalita wasn't really affectionate or likable. However, she sure knew how to say what she wanted calmly and clearly; that's admirable.
Then again maybe no one in your wonderful country knows how to create a website, eh?
Yet so many of the engineers and scientists in the US are Indians, I wonder why. And somehow, one of the largest web-based email service is created by an Indian(by mistake I'm sure): Hotmail.
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It makes no sense. It is poor writing either way. If Lalitha said it to cover up her fluff, she appears ignorant, not what the director wants given how she is made to appear in rest of the movie. If she really meant that than she either misinformed or quite judgmental in her outlook on world politics, again a bit out of character for her.
shareOut of Elizabeth's charater, you mean. And when you watch the film, you realize that actually Lalita is not a lot like Elizabeth.
Many things can be preserved in alcohol. Dignity isn’t one of them.
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I believe this movies is based off the novel. So surely it must take after the book's character?
Many things can be preserved in alcohol. Dignity isn’t one of them.
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It's not about what's common b/w the two. It's the character that, I repeat, was not like Elizabeth's.
Many things can be preserved in alcohol. Dignity isn’t one of them.
What I noticed about Lalita was that she was quite self-righteous and judgmental of Will, and demeaned his job; which was bringing tourism and its attendant jobs to India.
Yet Lalita did not have a job and lived a life of leisure, for the most part. Sure, he did not understand a lot about her country or culture. He just understood the tourism industry. So she had something to teach him about the former. But he didn't even deny that. and was open to her showing him.
But she was not open to him or willing to admit that he had something to offer. And again, she acted superior even though she had no accomplishments of her own.
She did not impress me much.
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Have to agree with spasek. They are not talking about other countries and their attitudes in this movie. They are talking about Americans believing they set the standards for the world. Whether it is in luxury or marriage.
It is like the late George Carlin said about religion/lifts in shoes. There is nothing wrong with having standards, being religious, or wearing lifts in your shoes - if it makes you feel good. The problem comes when you try to impose your standards, your religion or your lifts on others, with the belief that you, and only you, are right.
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I know, doesn't make any sense but in the hindi dubbed version she doesnt say "Exactly" but says "Same thing"(?)
Dunno if that makes any difference.
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