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Homosexuals are NOT born that way

posted 11 years ago by josephson
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This doesn't have anything specifically to do with the movie but I was reading another thread where HOMOSEXUALITY was defended on the premise that people are "BORN" that way.

There is no such fact or evidence to suggest homosexuality is inherited at birth.
How do you inherit homosexuality? It's not some sort of gene that is passed on from parent to child. Want proof? If it were true, then since homosexuals CANNOT pro create, how on earth can they "pass" this gene alone to the future offspring?
Owned.

See, every offspring comes from a heterosexual relation. Therefore there was and has never been such a thing as HOMOSEXUAL gene. If it were true, it would ALWAYS DIE with the homosexual who dies and leave behind no progeny (as they cannot procreate).

So homosexuals are somehow magically created at birth from heterosexuals? No, it is MORE PROBABLY that it is choice/preference of SEXUAL ORIENTATION. Something happens early in life that causes the person to have an identity issue, gender confusion, and is thus led conditioning or priming for a homosexual orientation/lifestyle.

I have homosexual friends, and they are some of the coolest and nicest people you'll ever meet. I am not anti-gay or against homosexuals. The only thing I object to is the idea that it is a BORN CONDITION that they had NO CHOICE in. If you decide that you want to live a gay lifestyle, by all means, I have no problem....but don't hide and defend yourself by saying that it's been decided FOR YOU before you were even born. Nothing is decided for you.

Then why would't MURDERERS be able to defend themselves and say its GENETICS, and it happened at birth...I was BORN with this urge to murder? Then everyone can defend their own ground by claiming, "it's not by choice! I was like this at birth!!"

Everything in life is a choice when it comes to LIFESTYLE/CULTURE/SEXUAL ORIENTATION. Only the physical body itself is by BIRTH that you cannot control and can say that this is what I was given at birth. However, you can still do things to your physical body (exericse, healthy diet) and change aspects about it.

[–] Degree7 11 years ago

See, every offspring comes from a heterosexual relation. Therefore there was and has never been such a thing as HOMOSEXUAL gene. If it were true, it would ALWAYS DIE with the homosexual who dies and leave behind no progeny (as they cannot procreate).

You do realize that homosexuals procreate as well, right?

Then why would't MURDERERS be able to defend themselves and say its GENETICS, and it happened at birth...I was BORN with this urge to murder? Then everyone can defend their own ground by claiming, "it's not by choice! I was like this at birth!!"

Some people are born psychopathic, you realize this as well, right?

Think of it this way. I'm assuming that you are a heterosexual male. Did you consciously choose somewhere along the line to be attracted to women? Or did you always just have the attraction? It's the exact same thing with homosexuals.

Quite frankly, I find your description of homosexuality as 100% choice to be dangerously simplifying their innate urges and feelings. I'm sure there are some people out there who just pretend to be gay to fit into the social lifestyle of it, because they are insecure or something. But I also believe there are people who are genuinely, truly, and always have been, attracted to the same sex. It's a natural process.

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[–] AgentX7k 11 years ago

I do agree with you that it is an absurd justification for something not to be changed/prevented. It usually goes:

Person A: They're born that way, it isn't a choice, etc
Person B: What about pedophiles, rapists or murderers? Could they use that justification?
Person A: OMG! You ignorant homophobe! You're so uneducated, how could you compare those to homosexuality? Those all hurt people, homosexuality is consenting adults and hurts no one!

My point is Person A technically 'compared' them by using vague blanket/umbrella logic which justifies just about everything regardless of morality. Like you said, anyone could use it to justify any action on the basis they were born with or at least had no choice in the want/desire/instinct/urge/whim/whatever.

We see that Person A should have started with the 'consenting adults / hurts no one' argument and simply left it at that and never brought up the 'born that way' stuff.

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[–] badcommand 10 years ago

I knew even before I came to this board just now that someone would post the usual, homophobic clap-trap about how homosexuality (and by extension, peadophilia) is a life-style choice.

As usual, I was not disappointed

Everything in life is a choice when it comes to LIFESTYLE/CULTURE/SEXUAL ORIENTATION

Your view on life is a little simplistic.

However, you can still do things to your physical body (exericse, healthy diet) and change aspects about it.

Yes, I agree with you there. But some things are controlled by the way our brains are wired (autism) and/or the chemicals in the brain (psychosis, schizophrenia) at birth, and this may well (almost certainly) include sexuality. For example, I didn't choose to be attracted to women once I got through adolescence, I just was. I believe that homosexuals don't choose to be attracted to people of the same gender, they just are.

[–] jharmon64 10 years ago

WOW

You're entitled to your opinion.

But let's not compare homosexuals to murderers.

Additionally, pretty much every argument against the idea one was born with it can be used against it.

[–] MrMcArony 10 years ago

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJtjqLUHYoY

[–] pdonidvie 10 years ago

You sir, are a *beep* idiot.