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Omgoodness! I just saw the scene after the credits


So was Chaz a halfling or did he become one after he died? Or did he graduate to full angel? Also, his eyes were amber, not the blue of and angel or red of a demon...

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According to the Bible, humans do not become angels or demons after death. He created angels before us. Demons, I think, are either angels that fell with Lucifer, or are his creations. So that scene, if you believe what the Bible teaches, would be a mistake. I think they were merely trying to show that Chas was still "in the game" and fighting on the side of good. They should have lost the wings and creepy eyes, though.
Just my take on that scene. I really like this movie, tho I've never read the comic. Every time I see that scene where KR holds RW under the water, I find myself straining to breathe. Lol

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Sorry tot Burst your bubble, but Angels are created about the same time humane, maybe 1 to 6 days earlier but not more, in the beginning there was nothing, only God.

Adam was created on day 6.

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"maybe 1 to 6 days earlier" Wouldn't that still be BEFORE humans? IJS

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Sorry i am late, yes but not 100 or 1000 or more years, and there are a lot of peopte that think it's 1000 or more years.

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2 Peter 3:8–9:

‘But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.




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Yes for GOD a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.

But the Bible was made for us and not GOD, GOD don't need a Bible, so yes 1 day is one day, and that means 24 hours.

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An interesting scene, but like the rest of the movie, it must be its own canon, not Biblical.

Angels were created, as others have said, all at the same time. They don't reproduce. Since demons are fallen angels, they don't reproduce either. Therefore, there can be no "half-breed" human/angels or human/demons.

Biblically, Gabriel has a purpose in the End Times and the kingdom to come. Therefore, if God (or someone) de-angelized him/her (gender has no meaning to angels), the Bible would be wrong on that point.

Some of the angels we see, such as the EMT guy who tries to save Fr. Hennesy, might be hiding their wings from our view. That would be Biblical.

New Testament-wise, for Constantine to be saved, he need only repent and accept Christ as his savior. So, much of his activity before the film and during it are wasted.

The latter is also my feeling about my own time watching it.

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I just saw it too. I think that Chaz was a halfling all along. They aren't supposed to change the outcome, just nearly give suggestions.

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It was due to Papa Midnite putting in a good word for Chas, he prayed for them and he helped John in the end, he died and basically became an angel, i think he was gonna look out for John now and be his guardian.

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Papa Midnite doesn't create angels; God does. And as far as I know, there's no teaching in any relgion that says that God just decides to make PEOPLE into angels.
Also, it doesn't matter when God created man (if you believe in Creationism). There were angels in Heaven before Man was created. Lucifer and his buddies fell before Man was created. Hell existed before Man was created. So....either you're an angel/demon or you're a dead person. Dead people don't become angels. The whole halfling thing is from a comic book, not any religious teachings.

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When I was a kid...no, wait. I still do that.

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Sorry tot say but Lucifer did NOT fell before Man was created, men was created on day 6 and Angels between day 1 and 6.

Before day one there was only God, in the beginning God created heaven and earth, and that was on the first day.

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Is English your second language? Does your spellcheck work? You sound either stupid or foreign...possibly both.
How do you know that Lucifer fell after man was created? Do you have Biblical proof to back that up? Since he took the form of a serpent to tempt Eve with the apple (again, this is based on Creationism), it is obvious that he fell BEFORE man was created. As far as I know, there is no Biblical reference as to the exact day that Lucifer fell and the angels and demons were created.I would assume that God created them when he created the Heavens.
According to ChristianAnswers.net...

"The Scripture speaks about the creation of angels, therefore, it is clear that they have not existed from all eternity (Nehemiah 9:6; Psalm 148:2,5). Colossians 1:16-17 explains:


“For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created by Him and for Him. And He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.”

The time of their creation is never definitely specified, but it is most probable that it occurred in connection with the creation of the heavens in Genesis 1:1. It may be that God created the angels immediately after He had created the heavens and before He created the earth—for according to Job 38:4-7, “the sons of God shouted for joy” when He laid the foundations of the earth."


Angels (Heaven) first, then Man (on the 6th day). I'm not sure when comic books were created, but I'm fairly certain that they are not as reliable to Christians as the Bible is.
I will await your reply with bated breath.


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When I was a kid...no, wait. I still do that.

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Sorry that you think i sound stupit, i was using my phone.

And sorry to say but if Lucifer fell before men was created why then did God say: And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%201%20&versio n=KJV

Sorry if Lucifer fell before man, God would NOT say "And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good", so if you knew the bible like i know it you would not say does things.


Please read the Bible good and then say things about it, so that you know what youre talking about.

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You quote a friggin internet bible source that ignores the old testament and so much more? Get a grip Amiga, and piss off. At least know your "religion" before you start trying to "believe" in it.

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You are the idiot, i quote the King James, and thats one of the best translation.

The King James is 400 years old.

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Guys, really - 1. this is based on a MANGA, a graphic novel, NOT the bible (regardless of what version). 2. the book of Enoch (along with the book of Mary Magdalene) was removed from bible. The book of Enoch is where children of angels is mentioned extensively and in detail; so in a technical sense Chas could be a 'halfling'. The bible, as it was originally written, has been lost to us since Charlamagne doctored it, and then other popes followed suit down through the ages to suit their own views.

However, I will re-iterate that it does not matter as the manga takes various biblical themes and changes them to fit the story. So please, just step off; it's just a movie, based on a graphic novel - nothing to hate on each other like this for. 

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Uh, this isn't based on a Manga. It's a western comic.

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They're manga in as much as they're not 'comics' - graphic novels if you don't want to call them manga. Most writers of these types of graphic mags get very miffed if you call them 'comics'.

But the rest of my point is valid - there's no point getting into a really bad fight over a movie, tv show and some graphic novels.

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No. Manga are Japanese comics.
The only difference between graphic novels and comics is that the former is a single issue or just a few issues (i.e., Watchmen was 6 parts) while the latter is serialized (like Spider-Man).

In essence, they're all comic books. Writers don't get miffed by this. Fans do. Stupidly so, because they assume comics are for children, while graphic novels are for adults.

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Not sure I agree - I went to a convention last year and heard a guy telling his teenage son he 'wasn't paying that much for some comics'. The guy running the stall, who was also the artist and writer of the novels on sale got very irritated and said "I do NOT write 'comics' - there is a lot more effort, imagination and time in these than there are in 'comics'." He said comics like someone would say dog poop.

With a daughter who is a manga and anime fan, especially Japanese manga and anime, and who regularly cosplays at UK conventions I can speak with a fair amount of certainty on this. Not only from this exchange, but also questions that I've heard asked around the same thing and conversations I've had with writers at the conventions. So I suppose it depends on the individual's opinions.

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With a daughter who is a manga and anime fan, especially Japanese manga and anime...


There you go again. Manga is just Japanese.

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"With my daughter who is a GRAPHIC NOVEL, manga and anime fan; especially Japanese manga and anime...." there - better? 

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No.
"especially Japanese manga and anime" -> "especially manga and anime".
Now it's better. :P

P.S.: "With my daughter who is a GRAPHIC NOVEL" Whaaaa?!

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Oh if you're going to troll, have a nice life - I have a rule, I don't feed trolls.

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Not my intention, really.
You just kept repeating the mistake.

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Lucifer fell after man was created... how do i know this you may ask, well because the reason Lucifer fell from grace was because he refused to bow down to man....... Lucifer and I think 1/3rd of angels fell from grace for that reason,.... not sure the exact number of angels that followed Lucifer so don't quote me on that number.... but angels were created before man and were witnesses to the creation of the world but fell after man was created

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You know...I was just reading this thread, and that is true. Excellent point!! Thank you for the reminder.
BTW, not that it matters, but I an agnostic, and put very little stock in the Bible.

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biblical proof is an oxymoron chump

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God create's angels does he, interesting thought for a *beep*

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I just saw that scene for the first time too, and I have watched Constantine a dozen times or so....I took it as Chas became a full fledged angel, only because he was dressed just like Gabriel was (with the wrapped white top and white flowing pants)...those half human/half angels dressed human, they just hid their wings (like the young man in the convenient store who tried to help the priest)....

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I never even knew there was an after credits scene 



Libera te tu temet ex inferis.
pro ego sum diabolus, pro ego sum nex.

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I hope he's an angel because I felt so bad for Chaz.

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I thought he began an angel. Probably because Gabriel took the life of an innocent and he did so well killing demons.

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On the catholic popular belief in latin america, when a person was good, after their death they might become an angel. It is not in the bible, it is just a belief...Thats why usually people will talk about deceased relatives being our 'guardian angels'.

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What if, he was always an angel? Hmm...

In any case, that's a great post-credits scene.



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