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All those people died over one stupid girl?


Isn't that just tragic? The gas station attendant, the cop, the two criminals, the black soldier, the female soldier, bill macy's character, a ton of other people--all people who died for the sake of some stupid girl that the U.S. didn't even want alive! Wow!



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I think the gas station attendant was in on the set-up. And they all died to protect the girl from being brought to the light of day and exposing what her father did, i.e., removed her security detail to watch over him while he cheated on his alcoholic wife during an election year.

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Nope, not in the slightest bit tragic. The gas station attendant and the cop were in on the setup and they didn't die. I definitely didn't feel sorry for the deaths of a guy on death row, a sex slave trafficker, and especially William Macy since you can blame all the other deaths directly on him. The two other soldiers dying did suck. And that "stupid girl" as you call her was kidnapped and nearly killed just to cover up the president cheating on his wife. It wasn't the "U.S" that didn't want her alive, it was William Macy, probably Ed O'Neil, and a handful of other government guys who didn't want her back.

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Yeah but she was such a bitch. She didn't deserve everyone fighting to save her life. Those soldiers died in vain.



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They were suppose to die in vain, as it was the point the story was trying to make.

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She wasn't kidnapped to cover his infidelity. It was because he pulled her detail so he would have protection while "tomcatting around". It was an unfortunate co-incidence. Now because they couldn't get her in time (before it became public) they tried to utilize it/twist it into a seafaring tragedy to get him sympathy points for re-election.


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Wrong. She was killed to cover up his affair. She was threatening to go public. The pulling of the detail was to allow the kidnapping to take place as arranged by his inner circle of reelection men. Secret Service was told they were pulled from her to cover his tomcatting that night-that's the story the female SS agent believed but was not the real story. The inner circle planned the boating accident as a cover up when they really wanted her kidnapped and sold into sex slavery and, of course, eventually killed. Having her killed in the boat accident meant end of story, nobody would look for her.

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Wrong. She was killed to cover up his affair. She was threatening to go public. The pulling of the detail was to allow the kidnapping to take place as arranged by his inner circle of reelection men. Secret Service was told they were pulled from her to cover his tomcatting that night-that's the story the female SS agent believed but was not the real story. The inner circle planned the boating accident as a cover up when they really wanted her kidnapped and sold into sex slavery and, of course, eventually killed. Having her killed in the boat accident meant end of story, nobody would look for her.

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Where was this ever expressed in the movie? Even if it was the case, why go to all that trouble when she could have just had a "boating accident" to begin with. Too many ways a plan that convoluted could go wrong. Especially relying on an uncontrollable 3rd party to kill her. If they intended to kill her from the inner circle they would have done it simply and cleanly as a domestic accident, where they controlled the whole thing. They wouldn't risk people discovering she was kidnapped and then asking questions as to how that happened.

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You are correct Bobby. It's ASTOUNDING how many people simply can't follow this plot.

You should check out:
http://www.imdb.com/rg/e/bt/title/tt0360009/board/thread/206596326?d=239288511#23928851

And there you can also see how I've illustrated the same thing you did, but in greater detail. So many people miss things even when they create a scene for the sole purpose of spelling it out for the audience.

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I know, right?!



The real tragedy is none of these resources would have been expended if it wasn't the president's daughter who was kidnapped. And judging from the dialogues, this president is probably not deserving of his office. David Mamet must be saying something here.

















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