worst movie ever
i just finished watching this... and i want my two hours back. the dialog was horrible, the plot pointless, and the character development and acting just plain awful.
shareagreed.
saw it in theaters and wanted to write a letter and ask for my money back.
Stop agreeing with yourself.
shareHow can you call this the worst movie ever? What actually was bad about it. It showed real genius with the plot twists, and flowed easily. Of course, I'm guessing because it had an actualy story to it, and not two hours of mindless fighting, then it can't be a decent film in your eyes. This film is a thought provoking well scripted thriller. I actually see very few problems with it's story, with no outright plot holes, so what about it is bad?
shareI am in total shock as to how this movie could get seven out of ten on IMDB. I have tried to forget watching this horrifying excuse for a film, and have been partially successful. The only thing that I will never be able to forget is the terrible, and in my humble opinion unforgivable, writing. Every line by kilmer is so badly written and performed that it just grated on my every nerve. Kilmer has proved that he can do better than that in the past. So I can only assume that that is how he was instructed to do the character. I can only hope that he was paid lots of money to perform in this sorry excuse for entertainment. For those who would commend this movie I am just curious as to how I had never heard of it until I was watching it on the movie network. I would also like to say that I truely feel sorry for those that paid to see this blunder on the big screen.
shareYou have no idea... It's not that his dialogue was badly written it's just that his character didn't have any particular character. He takes on persona's the whole time. This is a man who has been conditioned to pretend to be anybody, who always has to have something to say. Like the part in the beach house where he starts talking gibberish. Because he couldn't come up with a reason for being there on the spot he knew he had to just keep saying things till his sniper helped him out. Almost everything he said seemed like a deflection of his true character. You only actually see his true character a few times. Off the top of my head I remember the part when the soldier comes up to him in the bar and he has a tear in his eye, also when he's being pleaded by the woman who looked after the girl. Mammet excels at creating interesting and over the top characters it's just a shame some people see this complexity as a jumbled mess.
shareOkay, when you're done teaching David Mamet how to write, perhaps you could teach Stephen Hawkins about theoretical physics...Coffee is for closers only!
- Alec Baldwin, Glengarry Glen Ross
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Well done!
~~ The good ended happily, and the bad unhappily. That is what fiction means ~ ~ Oscar Wilde
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What not to like about Spartan? How about the lousy acting and ridiculous dialogue? It should have been called "Where's the girl?" If I could bring myself to suffer through this incredibly misogynistic movie a second time, I'd make it my mission to count the number of times the president's daughter was referred to as "the girl." I especially liked how when Kilmer rescues "the girl" he shouts "Keep your *beep* mouth shut!" in response to her cries of terror.
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What not to like about Spartan? How about the lousy acting and ridiculous dialogue? It should have been called "Where's the girl?" If I could bring myself to suffer through this incredibly misogynistic movie a second time, I'd make it my mission to count the number of times the president's daughter was referred to as "the girl." I especially liked how when Kilmer rescues "the girl" he shouts "Keep your *beep* mouth shut!" in response to her cries of terror. QUOTE
Fool, if I was Scott I would call the Presidents Daughter 'the girl.' What else are you supposed to call her? 'The Presidents daughter'? 'The girl we are trying to rescue'? Jesus, I know that I (and many other people out there) would refer to her as 'the girl'. What's the problem??? Futhermore, and very similarly, when under fire, i'm sure that one would not say 'Please, do try to keep quiet - we are being shot at and I would appreciate the silence to let me concentrate and get you out of here'. The fact is that 'the girl' was creaming like a damn coward and the only way to shut her up would be to scream 'Keep your *beep* mouth shut!" It wasn't lousy acting at all and could kick Matt Damon in the ass in that lame excuse of a sequel to the Bourne Identity. The movie always had suspense and identical dialogue to keep it like that. Maybe not the best movie i've seen, but worth seeing a second time, definately.
"What else are you supposed to call her? 'The Presidents daughter'? 'The girl we are trying to rescue'?"
How about her name? I didn't even remember she had one until I saw it on the faux news. I understand why they referred to her as they did, but it got really annoying after awhile.
That said, I liked the movie.
They referred to the presidents daughter as "the girl" to show how she is objectified by the media and as a result, by the American people. She is portrayed as "America's daughter" by the media. The first part of the film she is shown with long red hair in photo's and on magazine covers, the media stalks her, commenting on her haircut, when she misses classes, etc. When Kilmer finds her she is rebellious, she calls herself a whore, she smokes and swears, she is trying to escape from the false identity that her father has given her. Referring to her as "the girl" furthers this objectification... The president has basically disowned her. He refuses to see her when he is in town, he instead spends the time cheating on his wife. It becomes his goal to "keep her under wraps" (as is explained in William H. Macy's speech in the airport). If they called her "the presidents daughter" it would be a fallacy. This is a comment on the media's control on the public, on politics, on identity. The end of the film shows a blissful reunion, she is called "America's daughter" and used as a campaign ploy for a selfish liar. It is necessary to call her "the girl" to show the audience just how horrible her identity struggle is.
share"If I could bring myself to suffer through this incredibly misogynistic movie a second time, I'd make it my mission to count the number of times the president's daughter was referred to as "the girl.""
Wow, you were expecting special forces military personnel to speak in politically correct terms during a desperate, spur of the moment mission to rescue the President's daughter?
Wow, you were expecting politically correct dialogue from David Mamet? You were expecting his dialogue to avoid any grittiness?
"Who are you?"
How's this. They refer to her as the girl because she is the mission, not a person. She's the objective...not a person. It's also a security measure. Someone hears radio chatter, they just hear talk about a girl, not a name that could indicate they're talking about the president's daughter. This was a spy movie that was stripped down to it's barest parts, with no bells and whistle, no shaky-cam chase scenes and very REAL dialog.
Yes, if a hysterical, frightened woman can't help from screaming, telling her to shut the f@ck up is the most effective way to get through to her, not asking her politely. Watch a kid screaming in a restaurant and the moron parent asking and pleading with the child to be quiet. Then look at the mother who gives her kid a look and says, "I told you to shut your mouth." Which kid do you think would be better behaved?
Unfortunately, this is one of those movies that, if you got it the first time, you love it, if you didn't you hate it and can't bring yourself to watch it again.
"When you're pushed, killing's as easy as breathing."
Someone watches a Mamet film and their complaint is that the character was called 'the girl' on several occasions??
That's laughable.
And I see someone has designated themselves yet again as the 'PC police'.
yawn
Not every movie is going to have some social justice theme de jour (thank goodness) and not every movie should be dressed up in false clothing and made 'all pretty' by PC speak just to satisfy someone obsessed with trying to find anything they can to blare the one-note trumpet of "Not PC! Not PC! Bad! Bad!"
Stories are stories, films are films, and art is art.
There are plenty of other places to seek out dictatorial propaganda for those so inclined.
~~ The good ended happily, and the bad unhappily. That is what fiction means ~ ~ Oscar Wilde
Officially, any idiot who actually uses the word 'misogynistic' is too stupid to even be involved in an adult conversation.
Yeah, because we should just ignore any and all social issues and pretend that they don't exist.
You sir, are the only idiot I see.
,Said the Shotgun to the Head--
Saul Williams
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Seriously...? This movie is misogynistic because they use jargon? They called her "the girl" as a concession to the audience. They probably would have called her "the package." The fact of the matter is that "the girl" is the most low profile thing they could call her as they were often discussing her in public. Thus she is "the girl" all of the time because having multiple names could cause confusion. Referring to her by her given name would have been begging Murphy's Law, and moreover, it would have been eminently stupid.
And yes. "Shut the *beep* up!" might be insulting, but it's better than a bullet to the brain, now isn't it.
,Said the Shotgun to the Head--
Saul Williams
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