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According to this documentary Brit Pop died in 1997 following the death of Princess Diana.

After her death the so called record industry, the people who dictate to young people what they should listen to, decided that people neede cheering up and should listen to things like the Spice Girls and S Club Seven.

If this was true then it was vile and cynical of the record marketing people to use the death of the Princess of Wales as an excuse to kill off Brit Pop.

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After her death the so called record industry, the people who dictate to young people what they should listen to, decided that people neede cheering up and should listen to things like the Spice Girls and S Club Seven.


Ridiculous. The Spice Girls entered the music business a year before Diana's death, and S Club 7 arrived two years after. Given this, do you really think either had any connection whatsoever to Diana's death?

If this was true then it was vile and cynical of the record marketing people to use the death of the Princess of Wales as an excuse to kill off Brit Pop.


Britpop's death had nothing to do with the record companies; it died simply because the movement had lost its steam and had nothing new to offer.

I hope this topic was a joke/poor attempt at trolling.

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britpop did indeed die in 1997, but it had nothing to do with Princess Die. As wielderofspoons says it just ran out of steam. Anyone that actually had something to say in relation to the ideas behind britpop ie the originators of the movement - Blur, Oasis, Elastica etc... had all got it out of their system by then. Be Here Now was an awful record and thatalone was enough to finish any movement off, but also in 1997 you had Blurs "Blur" album, which is almost a polar opposite to "Parklife" and is heavily american college rock influenced. Suede by 1997 hd gone off the boil. Pulp hadnt released an album since "Different Class" in 1995 and were probably in the process of making "This is Hardcore" - grinding comedown album. Britpop lasted for a few years then it went away, as with all musical movements. Music reverted, as it always does, to its default "pop" setting.

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This film was utter rubbish- the Gallaghers came over like complete idiots- devoid of any humour or talent. Damon Albarn seemed to have had a personality transplant since the 90's and now thinks he's Noel Coward. Where were Suede- bar a few seconds of Animal Nitrate there was no further mention- Elastica are completely glossed over and yet the documentary maker gives a good amount of time to Albarn saying that his argument with Oasis mid '95 wasn't about the singles battle "there was another person involved...". (which was actually to do with Liam Gallagher saying he'd like Justine Frischmann to "get her tits out for the boys"). Even Louise Wener came over completely different to how I remember in the 90's- she looked and spoke like a little mouse! Where was the background to the era??? Shoegazing, Indie, twee pop? No it seems that the Stone Roses were the only English band prior to 1992. And rather funnily although the film suggests that Britpop "died" all of the acts featured in the film (bar Wener, Sleeper) were actually still performing when this film was released. The Soundtrack CD was even funnier as whoever compiled it obviously knew nothing about britpop and it even featured a couple of 90's American grunge acts on it- Garbage, britpop? I think not!

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i think the reason that the Stone Roses were the only pre-'94 act alluded to in the film was because they were the first real indie band to hold the ideas of success and cultural homogeny that britpop embraced, which was a key part of britpop. before the Stone Roses success was almost a dirty word - the Smiths occasionally (once?) broke the top 10 in England but never played huge gigs. Then along come the Roses who eschew the whole indie philosophy and want success. Shoegazing, Indie and twee pop were aesthetically different from Britpop aswell, a lot less obviously all about the good times. you cant really blame the makers of an 80 minute film on a mid 90s musical 'movement' idealogically rooted very much in the late 80s e hedonism for not giving two minutes screen time to whirlpool.

Maybe the Smiths could have been given a nod, but really the big-gig/festival culture that really kicked off in the 90's began with Spike Island and the Stone roses.

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also, when the films "suggests that Britpop "died"", it really means that by 1997 it was no longer the cultural paradigm. which is accurate. Many of the acts may still have been performing when the film was released, but they were nothing like as popular as they were during 94/95/96. in 1997 "All Change" by Cast was voted 23 greatest album of all time! thats no lie.

oh, and Elastica refused to take part - the filmakers said they were "desperate" to get Justine, but she didnt want to do it so they got Louise Wener instead (i dont know what you expected from her, either - Courtney Love?).

i thought the use of 3-D gave a bit of perspective on the whole thing too.

Agree with you about Damon Albarn - i love Blur but he seems a totally different person depending on the tone of the show hes on.

Liam Gallagher's an idiot.

I thought Noel Gallagher and Jarvis were both on good form.

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It didn't die then, it was just when the bubble of all the 'everything everyone's doing is wonderful' sentiment.

That was also around the time Oasis released Be Here Now, which was a really over-produced album by a band who had got too big for its own good at that point.

I don't think the Gallaghers come across any different than they ever did.
Noel has always acted like he's some genius who was far beyond everyone else, where truthfully Albarn and Coxon and Cocker were much more inventive musicians and songwriters. And his statement that he means more because he worked in construction is typical nonsense. And he still seems under the impression that Oasis are the biggest band on the planet, even though just about every album they released since Morning Glory has been greeted with indifference critically.

Liam is Liam; dumb , uniformed and honest. For all his stupidity, he at least seems to get why Oasis were as big as they were-the image they created for themselves. Plus, he was consistent in his refusal to be used by politicians to give them 'youth appeal.'
For all his denials of 'what was I supposed to do?' , Noel seemed all too willing to let himself be used and attach himself there.


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Liam is quite dumb, but you're right he's consistent. I'm curious as to what Noel thinks of his open endorsement of Tony Blair now? I know his documentary came out in 2003 so it would be interesting to see what Noel thinks not only of his hobnobbing with Tony now?


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According to this documentary Brit Pop died in 1997 following the death of Princess Diana.

After her death the so called record industry, the people who dictate to young people what they should listen to, decided that people neede cheering up and should listen to things like the Spice Girls and S Club Seven.

If this was true then it was vile and cynical of the record marketing people to use the death of the Princess of Wales as an excuse to kill off Brit Pop.


I think Brit Pop actually died in '97 when Radiohead made a comeback with OK Computer and took the world and critics, universally, by storm.

It was a far more serious approach to making 'proper, intelligent music', not songs you'd hear down the pub and drunkenly sing along to.

I remember it pretty well, loads of other bands appeared on the scene to try and make daring, concept albums mixed with prog rock and experimentation that were big in scope.

It was no longer 'Brit Pop' because it wasn't actually 'pop'.

Even Blurs '13' went into a similar direction.

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