1. Could we meet the world's food needs without meats, using a 100% plan based diet?
2. Are the makers of the film aware that they very well might not even be alive right now without some of the medical advances made from animal research?
3. What about the carnivorous animals who brutally maim, kill, and torture other animals similar to humans?
1. Those questions are the right one to make. I honestly don't believe that 100% plant based diet for everyone would be possible. Mineral depletion and soil degradation comes to mind when thinking about how high the demand would be if that was the case.
2. Medical experimentation, however horrible it may be weather done to a human or animal its still essential for the advancement of medical science.
3. What about it?
1. We could actually provide *more* food on a plant based diet. I think people in northern territories where there is very little vegetation would still have to hunt though, which seems only natural. That is a matter of survival.
2. This is an important point, but unfortunately we have also produced some very dangerous and harmful substances that have been damaging to humans, because the animals that have been tested on do not physically respond the same way we do. I think the biggest issue people have with animal testing is cosmetic products, cleaners, etc. We test on animals, find out it hurts them, then put a sticker on the shampoo bottle that says not to put it in our eyes or eat it. Animal testing doesn't necessarily make things safer, it just helps people calculate the risks of using ingredients they already know to be dangerous.
3. Human beings are the only animals who enslave other animals under painful conditions for their entire lives. Every other animal that hunts does so when it is necessary, does not waste the food, and the animal it hunts has had the opportunity to live out a natural and healthy life in the wild like it should.
3. What about parasites?
share3. Animals act on instinct. Humans can make choices.
share1. It is possible, didn't you watch the movie?
2. Who knows? It still doesn't justify torturing animals for your own good.
3. What about them? Don't tell me your argument is that only because some primitive animals do those horrible things it is OK for us to do them as well?
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I have have to wonder though, what if there were knife-wielding raccoons out there slicing up everything that moves? Why would we look to that to see if its ok for us to do it? "
lol, but to answer seriously - If an animal used a tool, or in this case a weapon, it would not be considered natural behaviour. AS any tool use, be it from humans or chimps is a learnt skill based on observation, not a natural, instinctive habit. So no, just because some other animal become almost as bad as us and started using weapons, that wouldn't make it ok.
Even natural things some animals do isnt OK for other species... for instance did you know there is a form of rodent that will systematically rape their own new born baby girls, as the girls can hold the sperm until old enough to reproduce...This is a natural behaviour to ensure their species will always reproduce, but does that means it right for humans to do the same...i think you can answer that one yourself.
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1). Meat is incredibly unsustainable. Humans couldn't raise enough meat to feed everyone on the planet, it is a luxury of industrialized nations (with a few obvious exceptions). It takes 1,300 gallons of water to produce a single hamburger, and twice that for a steak. We get so much more food out of the same land if we grow crops instead of raise meat. I mean no offense but I actually laughed at this question, I wasn't sure if you were serious, but I think you are.
2). Just because we may have escaped death with the help of animal research doesn't give us an excuse to continue if it is bad practice. I'm not saying it is or isn't good or bad, but that logic would support slavery because it supplied us with lots of cotton to make comfy clothes. There are other options than animal research. Like human research. There are plenty of people out their willing to volunteer for all sorts of drug and cosmetic research for a small price. Not to mention the results would be more accurate.
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i didn't "miss the direction of what you wrote" - my main point was that you were unnecessarily rude to someone trying to raise some objective points regarding a controversial topic.
i think the claim that "raising livestock for meat production is unsustainable" is highly dubious let alone "common knowledge." But even if that were true, that isn't what the question was. He asked if "the world's food needs could be met without meats" and you responded with "Humans couldn't raise enough meat to feed everyone on the planet" which was the polar opposite of what he was asking.
I don't doubt that raising "enough meat to feed everyone on the planet" would absolutely be impossible - but no one has suggested otherwise. The question is could everyone on the planet be fed WITHOUT raising animals for meat. Which is, in my opinion, an interesting topic for that "intelligent conversation" you are looking for.
regarding animal research, you equated a justification for continuing animal research with an argument for continuing slavery on utilitarian grounds. that is fallacious. Animal research is not justified only because it worked in the past but because it continues to work in the present and and until something changes drastically will continue to work in the future. on the other hand, cotton-picking efficacy has skyrocketed in a (relatively) post-slavery world with technology as have all industries previously dominated by slave labour. Slavery was on its way out in the US even without the civil war as it was fast becoming an antiquated and economically unsustainable industry. There are no logical arguments that support slavery yet several that support animal research as you have already conceded. In order for your claim to be accurate you would need to demonstrate a logical theory in support of slavery.
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They would also have to answer what do we do with the animals. The animals without its natural predator humans would over populate to the brink of starvation. Not to mention how would we stop the unregulated animals from eating our sources of food.
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