The Reality of it All

"Rest assured..."

I wish to agree with you.
But I also wish you had some sources to support your opinions.

As I see it, you just say that you don't thinks that things like that happen very often.

Sorry, but that does not make the images go away.

"Sincerely,

a fellow human being who does not support animal cruelty"

The worst kind of animal abuse/cruelty is to kill animals, doesn't matter if you let them live in 5 star hotels before you kill them and decide to put their dead flesh in your mouth. It is still murder, period.

You feel sorry for people that decide to go vegan after viewing this film? (I was a vegan before I viewed this) Atleast they're reacting to a massive issue that the film intends to highlight namely speciesism.. Or did you just not watch the film at all?
You said yourself you did not watch it in it's entirety, was it because you could not grasp the concept or you we're just too shocked at the gratuity of the violence and subject matter? Which actually is a sad reality and far worse than the film depicts.
This DOES happen, in every country,reguardless of poverty or privlege. it's NOT just about the meat industry, it's about humankinds IMPACT on animalkind and our blatent disreguard for them as sentient, pain feeling beings. From causing their deaths through the neglect of spaying/neutering, to sending monkeys into space. Humanity is NOT a mistake, but a lack of compassion and empathy to other living creatures IS a mistake. I feel sorry for you for being so ignorant as to miss the ENTIRE point of the film, and maybe watch things in their entirety next time, before going off on such an ill-informed, cynical and embarrassing rant.
Enjoy that next burger.

"This kind of stuff (cruelty) does not happen everywhere, its a plain and simple fact."

And what elements of proof do you have instead the tiny hope you're clinging to, that these things do not happen often , so that you can still enjoy your meat, convinced it was humanely obtained?...

I read the report of a health inspector, who went only in slaughtehouses, and from his report (made into a book) I can tell you that cruelty happens very often.

It's a french book, and I don't think it was translated. If someone's interested though I can try to remember the title.

Haha that's really strong denial right there.

Ah, the modern world. A place where survival is no longer in question. A place where we can choose what we eat, how we want to live our lives and even spend our leisurely time trying to create a world without any hardships, pain or unnecessary death. Hmm, but I wonder, what happens when our leisurely activities accomplish their goal? Perhaps history has taught us something we can base it on.. oh wait! How about this:

The self hating modern person: A growing population of people that have always existed in the upper structures of societies. Usually someone who is born into a world where he/she does not have to spend his/her every waking moment trying to survive (Farm/hunt/work then sleep and repeat). This person now has the time to take vacations, weekends off and holidays. Food is of no question, neither is shelter. This person can pick and choose their lifestyle.

Problem: The modern day person realizes that their life has no meaning. The just live their life consuming and one day reproducing. In other words, it's perfect (but they cant see it this way, hence- self hater). So, in order to *beep* this up he/she seeks out a purpose for their life. Something that makes them feel great about themselves.

Solution: 1950's ( sure?), one of these SHMPs realizes that their are people in Africa who do not have access to modern medicines, clothes or bibles! So, the SHMP lets the world know the problem, screaming his/her lungs out at this injustice until finally, people start to help! Modern medicines and medical staff are sent to these isolated tribes in Africa in order to inoculate and save dozens of lives. What a wonderful thing this SHMP has done!

Problem: Thirty years have gone by, that small tribe that survived for hundreds of years from hunting and foraging and kept in check by nature has now become a population of hundreds thanks to medicines that have prevented 'unnecessary' deaths. They cant feed there selves any longer. Their ecosystem is just not capable of supporting this population explosion. Soon, famine sets in. They starve and die on a daily basis.

Synopsis: One person's desire to make the world a better place without thinking of the consequences or even the logic dooms many more to suffer and die.


Think of what the world would become if we all chose a vegan way of life. Consider how much land would be required to feed 6 billion people. Now consider that only 1/34 of the earth is arable and that topsoil cannot sustain heavy farming for long. Much of our farm lands need time to replenish the mineral rich nutrients needed to grow. If we continue to farm them to feed our population, you will end up with barren plains of useless dirt. Millions would die in weeks.

The human race has pushed itself to survive to such an unbelievable level that few realize just how fragile our existence has become. This modern world you and I live in is held in place by a man made ecosystem. We redesigned the entire world to work for us. You take away one aspect of it and it's like draining our marshlands or deforesting our habitat. The whole system collapses and we all suffer and millions die.

Our world cannot survive as either vegan or non-vegan, but only with a harmony of both. I understand that many vegans find it hard to deal with the killing of animals for food, but none of us were ever given the life we want only the want to live.

Everything lives only by the destruction of others. It is the law of the universe.

I'm not a vegan, but you vote with your dollar. If people stop buying animal products stores will stop selling them. It's all about profit. If there's no demand the supply will stop.

The only problem with your arguments, seektruth, is that they are all totally and logically flawed up bruv.

'I would bet 90% of the people who do follow up with a slaughterhouse find themselves looking at a much better situation than the film portrays'

Oh really? About where, and to whom exactly are you referring? The internet cloud? Fluffy western (bankrupt financially as well as morally now) land? Not true, more like 10% mate. And then there's

'with nearly 100% certainty guarentee you that the money is going to the same people who sell these animal products'

Oh really? Nearly 100% this time! We've gone from 90% to nearly 100%! Gosh and darn it, thats some rootin' tootin' statisticallyficatin conjurin' powers you got going on there pardner. But seriously, no... I don't believe you. Point being that there are LESS people buying animal crackers from the people who would dangle tasty carcasses in front of the greedy and hungry eyes of the Earthlings that call themselves The People.

Wise up, if you can't be scientific then at least try and be logical.

About the film and it's use of shock tactics. It had to be like this, I never felt the director was exploiting the subject, rather it's brave to make a film that almost nobody 'wants' to watch (apart from the real sickos, the type that do that *beep* The collage of footage illustrates depth in reality, by coming from so many different cameras, places and conditions, it gives a pixellated but statistically dense vignette of the subjects focus, which is the abhorrent treatment of animals by some people. It is not a documentary about farming per se and I think if it was made nowadays it would probably have a large section on the current abhorrent wholesale slaughter of dogs and cats in Ukraine for the football world cup 2012 because it's also large scale suffering because of economic gain.

Apologies if I've repeated anyone else's reply to this.