I can be a meat eater and still think this behavior is totally unacceptable.. Kill, cook, and prepare your meat in a humane way. I don't have to be vegan to know that throwing alive stray dogs in a garbage truck is wrong, or that skinning an animal while it's still alive is wrong.
shareHow exactly do I kill a living being humanely who wants to live? Answer: you can't. I challenge you to visit an animal sanctuary and see if you can still eat animals. Also do you eat only certain species of animals? If yes, why? Because the media and advertisers have taught you that it's okay to eat cows, pigs, and chickens, but bad to eat dogs and cats. As a child would you have ever come up with that on your own? NO WAY.
shareYeah, but if you're not a vegan, you're enabling this kind of behavior, which means that deep down, you really don't give a sh.t about animals or you don't care enough about animals to actually change the way you live. Which if you wanna live your life that way, fine, but you can't call yourself an animal lover and eat meat at the same time, it doesn't work that way. Cherry picking which animal you think has the right to live/deserves humane treatment is arrogant and ignorant as hell.
"Ever danced with the devil in the pale moonlight?"
I'm not vegan so therefore I don't give a sh.t about animals? You disillusion sad excuse for a human. The world isn't black and white.
I CAN and WILL call myself an animal lover and continue eating meat.
Arrogant and ignorant as hell? Look in the mirror, you hypocritical P.O.S.
I'm not the one that needs to resort to name calling to back my argument
"Ever danced with the devil in the pale moonlight?"
#1. If you don't think you used name calling, reread your post to me. Because I only use that kind of language when it's used on me first.
#2. I'm not "backing" any argument. What is it with people like you that you always want to make everything an argument? I am completely comfortable with the fact that you feel the way you do. You are the one who established this dialogue, not me.
I didn't call you anything, I was just stating the obvious, if you care so much about animals then why do you eat them? That's the polar opposite of caring about something, if you love animals, then you do not buy and eat pieces of their dead bodies and thereby support the slaughter and destruction of even more of them.
That would be like if you said that you care about the welfare of sweatshop workers but then you go ahead and buy a brand new pair of Levis, it doesn't add up.
By the way, I'm completely comfortable with the way you feel as well, I couldn't give less of a sh.t about what you eat, but you posted on a message board, you started a discussion and I responded, don't act like I started something when you were the one that instigated this whole conversation in the first place.
"Ever danced with the devil in the pale moonlight?"
You're delusional if you think your little analogy works. I eat meat. I enjoy beef, chicken, turkey, fish, pork and buy organic, free range, grass fed products. I don't support the things shown in this film. You take the saying, "throwing the baby out with the bath water" to a whole new level. You're telling me that because I enjoy bacon with my breakfast that I support clubbing and skinny alive whole herds of baby seals and the mass murder of stray dogs. That's ridiculous.
shareNo, but you do support the murder of countless chickens, cows, pigs, fish, etc. and the habitat loss of many already endangered species. So basically you love some animals, but not all animals and I already mentioned this in my first post.
"Ever danced with the devil in the pale moonlight?"
Support the habitat loss of many already endangered species? Where the fvck are you getting this? Don't put words in my mouth.
shareI'm not putting words in your mouth, if you saw the film (or otherwise spent some time studying the subject on hand), you know exactly what I'm talking about. Buying meat supports the destruction of rain forests for example, because they use the land there to grow crops to feed cows, pigs and chickens, leading to habitat loss for countless animals in that area. Animal agriculture is the number one force behind deforestation and habitat destruction (as well as global warming, but that's a tad different subject), there's countless articles and studies to back that.
"Ever danced with the devil in the pale moonlight?"
If you read my reply to you a little while ago.. I eat organic, local, grass fed, free range. I don't support any deforestation.
But even if I didn't pay double price to make sure the food I buy is not from pig farms and slaughterhouses and chicken farms, the people deforesting the rain forests are the ones to blame. Not the consumer. Don't point the finger at the person just trying to get a meal. People need to start taking personal responsibility for their OWN actions.
Ah, sorry about that, I forgot you wrote that, you're right (I do have my opinions about free range but that is an entirely different debate).
Anyway, I do agree that people need to take responsibility for their actions, but that involves the consumer as well. The consumer buying factory produced meat and dairy products tells the meat industry that people want more, there's a huge demand for it, in this case I do blame both the consumer and the industry, but change has to start with consumers, the industry wont just up and change itself out of nowhere.
"Ever danced with the devil in the pale moonlight?"
true. there's some blame on both sides. But in the consumers defense, 99.9% can just claim ignorance.
shareTo "kill humanely" is an oxymoron.
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Spoken from a person whose never been tortured before. Tell that to all of the POW's. I'm sure they'd strongly disagree with you. A shot in the head. Quick, painless. Is a hell of a lot more humane than hanging by your get and having your throat cut, twitching and gurgling in pain until blood loss takes you. Don't be stupid and think cute quips make sense in the real world
shareYeah, and I can rape humanely too, right? I mean, if I dont use a weapon or leave any blunt force trauma.
Dont be stupid and think that invoking the "real world" justifies heinous acts. Can I be a humane slave trader? I could once upon a time.
Your example is, well, stupid. I mean, I capture an animal, torture it for a few months, and then swiftly execute it, Im acting humanely? The North Korean labour camp guards who execute prisoners after years of starvation, deprivation, torture and interrogation, are humanitarians?
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I don't expect logic to work on the deranged or mentally ill. Have a great life
shareEven if an animal is killed in a humane way, they are still having their life cut unnaturally short, and why that would be an acceptable thing to anybody completely baffles me.
Because that is how human's have been created. We are omnivores. We have canine teeth in our skulls. Our digestive tract have evolve to digest meat. It's funny that people only use science when it is suitable to their own agenda. If you want to be vegan or vegetarian, that's your right. Nothing wrong with it and no one is going to tell you you can't. So stop this war against people who include meat into their daily diet. It's wrong.
shareThe majority of my friends and family eat meat and I think no less of them and never question them about it. Just because I don't understand something doesn't mean I'm at war with it. Some vegans are but please don't assume that I am from one comment on a film board. And I've heard many things contrary to humans being omnivores with regards to our teeth and digestive systems. I care little about whether we are or not, I choose not to have somebody's life ended for my diet either way.
Murdering quickly and painlessly is still not humane. POW's would agree with that.
What determines humane vs. non-humane killing...is the reasons it is done. Not the extremity of pain.
Saw the title of this thread, and knew where it was going. No, you can't. You don't "love" animals if you contribute to them being killed. Humanely killed is an oxymoron. You pick and chose which animals you actually care about - dogs and cats, I won't eat. But I'll happily consume a pig or cow. Non-vegans don't love animals.
shareI understand some people know what happens in animal factories, particularly meat eaters, yet out of their own fear of acknowledging the cruelty and the power they have to help stop it, they prefer to ignore it and pretend it doesn't happen, carry on eating meat and supporting the industries while claiming they love animals.
I've been a vegetarian for 4 months and, after having seen Earthlings and learning more on how cows are treated and hens as far as obtaining their milk and eggs, I now want to be a vegan. As it turns out, it isn't so hard. I already love soy milk and have tried the dairy-free cheese alternatives. My most hard struggle is watching my parents in the grocery store buying pork and meats after trying to be a vegan and feeling saddened that they are, particularly around this Christmas time when turkeys, etc, are so in demand. Unfortunately you can't educate some people (like my parents, for example, though I've given up trying to explain to them what happens in factories and have decided to just get on with doing my own thing). It's just sad.