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Segeal VS. Van Damme who would win


Seagal VS. Van Damme in( Above the Law and Bloodsport then )<1980's> and (Into the Sun and Wake of Death) <2005> who would win then and who would win now . Vote and See

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In real life? I'd bet 101% on van Damme.. not a particular fan of him or anything, but he has real muscules and has real punches and kicks. Seagal is in fact quite a wuss, poor form, skinny chicken legs and his skills never leave the movie screen. In other words, they can make any dork look skillfull as him. Jujutsu or Aikido or whatever he supposedly does, doesn't work well with those who kick and punch. And it's not all technique either. Just brute force and muscules help too.
You guys sound like little kids, to not be able to tell movie from real.

Bloodsport is a nice classic, Seagal is just another action figure like hundreds. Even Sammo Hung from Martial Law TV series, looks better on screen. Seagal's moves and walk look like that of a girl.. skinny and crooked. He's only saved by special effects.

If you're just Rambo fans, forget about this, but if you're into martial arts, well, nobody has been able to equal Bruce Lee, though Jet Li comes close. And for light hearted fun and acrobatics, Jackie Chan is admirable.
Seagal is just ... an action figure existing on a white screen only.

In real life, van Damme would easily beat him.. on screen, most likely whoever is more popular on screen. I bet it's Seagal since van Damme let the life style get to his head and screwed up his career and life by doing drugs.. dumb ass.

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Hate to burst your bubble but segal is usually a nice guy on screen but an absolute *beep* off screen, I am surprised he can see with his head so far up his own ass!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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muscle and a six pack is nothing, its not about the muscles, its about ur skill, a tiny man with martial arts skill can throw a bin body bulders strength against him!!

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im am seriously one of the biggest van damme fans out there, and dont get me wrong van damme is the real deal and could kck just about anybodys ass. not seagals though, seagal is much more highly skilled in the field of martial arts, an aikido master.

"Seagal's moves and walk look like that of a girl.. skinny and crooked"

Ill admit he does run like a girl but he is not skinny he had some muscles back in the day. now he is just FAT.

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Van Damme the real deal??? He got punched out by a stunt man in a strip club once for his big mouth. Seagal would just wade into him and crush his little pretty boy face. Seagal's like fighting a Jabba the Hut that could move. Squish.

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first of the guiy who beat him up was a golden gloves boxer. Secondly van damme was drunk off his ass.

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I dunno about Van Damme winning a fight with anyone in real life. For one Van Damme LIED about his being a champion kickboxer in Europe. In fact, Black Belt magazine investigated his championship claim and found it to be 100% false. He also beefed up his "Acting" resume with a whole mess of films he never even appeared in. Van Damme also admitted in 1996 to not only being a cocaine addict, but he also confessed that he had not done any serious training for over 2 years. You can really tell in films like Maximum Risk and The Quest that he hadn't been working out in a while. Van Damme also does NOT have a black belt in ANYTHING. He has a red belt in Karate, but that's it. I also heard him say on a talk show interview that he can't deliver any real power with his kicks because of the way his ballet training stretches the muscles in his legs. He also got into a fight in a bar in 1998 and lost. The sad part was, he was beat by a non martial artist. I used to have such great respect for Van Damme before he started his cocaine use, wife beating, constant lying about his credentials and setting bad examples for martial arts enthusiasts. Seagal is the real deal and would win without much effort.

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more important:- who would win in a fight between 17 cobras, and a polar bear?

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lol. I've seen this on a site before...

I don't really know who would win here. I've seen all and own most of seagal's movies, and also have quite a few of vann dammes. But in real life I would have to say seagal would win. He owned a dojo in aikido, and jean claude vann damme only knows some kicks. So steven would win.
Here's what I think the fight would be like-

Seagal and Van Damme (here after called vd) walk around staring in each other's eyes. Then Seagal's eye's shift to the bump on VD's forehead. At this time VD tries a round house kick on Seagal (here after called SS) but it doesn't work. SS ducks and forces VD's leg up as it passes over him. This causes VD to fall on his back and start bleeding and falling in and out of consiousness as in movies like Desert Heat, In Hell, Death Warrant, etc.
SS then takes this oppurtunity to force VD to watch "On Deadly Ground." This hurt VD very badly. After the movie ends SS swats VD right on the face. VD gets mad and sweeps SS to the ground. He then takes this oppurtunity to force SS to watch "Derailed." That did some damage. But Seagal gets up, grabs VD's arm, breaks it, then breaks VDs neck, and then throws him out a window. Afterwards comes some line like "**** you and die" (Hard to Kill) or "you can never beat me in the kitchen" (Under Siege 2)

The End.
Then SS grabs a big mac and adds to his big belly.

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i'd go with the cobras, they are agile, and each one can deliver a quick lethal blow while the big strong polar bear just,...wait a minute...this is the same dam argument! you tricky devil you. you almost had us for a minute there, NDB. ;)

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Definitely Seagal. Van Damme may be martial artist, but Seagal is good enough to open a dojo in the eat.

Life-the most fatal disease. :P

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Van Damme? Oh, yeah, the Belgian ballet dancer, right?

I hear they call him "Les moules aux Bruxeilles", which apparently translates to "The muscles from Brussels", or so I'm told.

Could someone with a better grasp of French help confirm that translation?

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Very true , Steveday.
Eh Van Damme against Mr Seagal. LOL
>>> Im not a martial arts expert, but I have enough knowledge about mr Seagal and Aikido as well that I can easily say he would take down Van Damme pretty fast. And yeah, muscles isnt helping much if you go against a 7th dan in Aikido, then we are talking van dammes martial art, with Van damme's dan, hmm what that may be, maybe 5? =/

Every M art has its advantages and "weaknesses" against other m arts.

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"Divine Divinity"

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van damme would win .. enough said

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Of Course Steven Seagal because he is real master of martial arts.
Van Damme is a ballet !!!

sincerely
jn

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I cannot decide who would win bcoz both are good( Van Damme is Europian champ and Seagal is a known master of Aikido). But I would like to say that Bruce Lee would have kicked the asses of both anytime.

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Haha ok.....yeah ninjas, aikido, kickboxing, karate, kung fu, hiiiiiyaaah, all of that.


clueless twits.


Seagal threatened to SHOOT Bob Wall with his gun if he came near him.

Van Damme was sent flying by his biker-bodyguard.

Morale of the story.......both are fake sissy-assed martial artists who would get ass-kicked by anyone who actually knows how to fight.

And Seagal is full of BS, which one would know if one trained the martial arts and didn't have his/her head in his/her ass.

But besides that, Van Damme would win. Aikido aint S H I T against a striker which at least Van Damme sort of is. And, at least Van Damme has won some MA competitions in his youth, Seagal is just....fake.

Now go watch UFC, Mixed Martial Arts needs the support!!


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Have anybody considered draw between them? lol ;)











"Divine Divinity"

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Both of them are horrible screen martial artists, but Segal would definately own Van Damme in a heart beat.
I've got tapes of this guy training and teaching classes, completely controlling 4+ attackers.
Sure, Seagal is an *beep* and a blowhard, but his skills are real. If only they would shoot his on screen martial arts with a single wide lense so you can see the beauty of his technique, maybe he'd be worth watching for something other than a laugh.
Van Damme is (was) a body builder/ballerina. He can jump higher and kick higher, but that wouldn't help him one bit.
... and Bob Wahls "dirty dozen" martial artists challenge would have been cool to see, but being such a high ranking Aikido master, Seagal obviously had to decline, as his method is to avoid fighting.

Bottom line:
Seagal - Master Martial artist, crappy actor
VanDamme - crappy martial artist(if you can even call him one), crappy actor

Winner - Seagal. Any other answer is wrong. If you disagree, you are wrong.

... and the cobras would win over the polar bear any friggin' day.


the moon rulz #1

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You are sooo wrong, djfelix. All cobras are sissies with no acting abilities at all, while polar bears have won every conceivable MA tournament in Antarctica since 1989, also they have worked a lot with Ingmar Bergman (on stage, not on the screen, which is why you probably haven't heard about it). Plus they are really great guys with a great sense of humour, unlike the cobras with their forked tongues and repulsive habits. By the way, did you know that only the last three inches or so of the cobra is tail, the rest is just body? FAKERS! No polar bear would ever pretend that their body was a tail, that just won't happen.

Why are you all staring at me like that?

(Hm... I hope "cobras" and "polar bears" aren't football teams or something, 'cause in that case, I've just made an even bigger fool of myself...)

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OHHHHH, like SNAKE cobras... I thought we were talkin' arch enemy of GI JOE cobras. My bad.

the moon rulz #1

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There's no purpose in this topic, Bruce Lee would beat them both anyway (with a hand tied to his back) :P

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What business do you have bringing a martial artist into this discussion?

;-)

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"But besides that, Van Damme would win. Aikido aint S H I T against a striker which at least Van Damme sort of is."

Are you joking? Any Aikido practitioner worth his salt would throw most strikers around like rag dolls. That's a MAJOR part of aikido training is learning defence AGAINST strikes...that's what they do. The second the fight got closer than his arms reach he'd be helpless as a baby.

"And, at least Van Damme has won some MA competitions in his youth,"

Which ones in particular?

"Seagal is just....fake. "

See above, he's many things...but fake is FAR from one of them.

"Now go watch UFC, Mixed Martial Arts needs the support!!"

Perfect example, you've got a ballet dancer who's only real strength is his ability to kick straight up in the air (useful for fighting birds I supose) against a guy who trained for decades with the masters in Japan. I know exactly what would happen too, Van Damme would try and kick Segal in the head at which point his leg would be shattered and he'd be on his back bleeding from the face. I'm not saying Segal is "the best" or anything, if him and Rickson Gracie got into it I'd bet of Rickson hands down...but Van Damme is a hack who hasn't put ANYTHING into his art whatsoever...he looks good and can kick high...that's about it.

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The man who knocked out Van Damme is named Chuck Zito. He was the President of the New York City chapter of the Hells Angels and was also an amateur boxer. He is 5'11" and 220lbs+ compared to Van Damme's frame of 5'9" and around 175lbs at most.

Van Damme is in fact a black belt in Shotokan Karate, not a red belt (which is actually a higher rank than black). He also has actually competed in competition and has a record of 20 wins (all by knock out) and 2 losses in full-contact Karate and kickboxing. The reason his record was not found under initial investigation is that JCVD was competing under his birth name of Van Varenberg. To be honest, though, the level of kickboxing in central Europe at the time was likely not that high. Today it is second only to East Asia (Thailand and Japan).

I doubt Aikido's effectiveness against leg and head kicks. Seagal's best hope would be to get the fight to the ground, use his weight advantage to control Van Damme and pull of a submission with his Judo.

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"The man who knocked out Van Damme is named Chuck Zito. He was the President of the New York City chapter of the Hells Angels and was also an amateur boxer. He is 5'11" and 220lbs+ compared to Van Damme's frame of 5'9" and around 175lbs at most."

Which really should be irrelevant...the whole basis of martial arts is understanding how the body works, how leverage works, where the weak points are on the body and how to most efficiently use those points to ones own advantage. It's developing the tools by which the smaller, weaker or outnumbered individual can overcome larger, faster or stronger opponents.

"Van Damme is in fact a black belt in Shotokan Karate, not a red belt (which is actually a higher rank than black)."

Shotokan is the art I started out in...the belt system differs depending where you go...when I reached first Dan I had the potential of aiming for differing "Dan" belts, or rather versions of black. First Dan, Second Dan, Third Dan and so on up to Tenth Dan and (if you happened to be obscenely good or have made some major contribution to the art) "grand master" status, usually they were black belts with white or red "stripes" showing the level. Ostensibly a Grand Master can rate a student to whatever level they happen to feel like, if a grand master decides that a brown belt deserves a higher rank they can simply say "alright, now you're 6th dan" and they've got it. There is no standardized criteria for gradings...to reach black in my club took upwards of 7-10 years but I've attended demonstrations and competitions in which students of 3 or 4 years experience were wearing black belts (which is, frankly, an embarrassment...no green belt should be able to completely destroy a black belt).

Ultimately, while I love Shotokan as much as anyone, it really can't be thought of as a great art for dealing with a modern street fight. Trying to deal with an opponent while dancing around in kiba-dachi or shiko-dachi is just a real, real bad idea. It's a nice base by which to build on, but it's a classical art designed for classical mentality, classical attacks and classical contexts. To use it in the modern day requires a complete overhaul, a shortening of the stances, speeding up of the movements (like blocks, "setting up" like they do in Shotokan for a low block in the street would be self defeating, a good striker would hit you 3 or 4 times while your fumbling around to set up a block) and so on. It would have to be essentially "modernized" which is exactly what combat-oriented Aikido basically is only using the groundwork set up in styles like Jujitsu rather than Karate.

"I doubt Aikido's effectiveness against leg and head kicks."

Head kicks are a MAJOR no-no in a street confrontation, they take too long to judge, and perform, in a full out street fight there's no reason for any kick at any point to come above hip level, groin, knee, calf and foot strikes are quick, hard to notice and viciously effective. By comparison head strikes are slow, easy to counter and leave the kicker in an incredibly dangerous position for the split second following the kick. I'm unsure where you got the idea Aikido would be ineffective against them though, there's movements in it which are designed specifically FOR dealing with head and leg kicks. Kicks in general leave the kicker at a disadvantage in terms of balance and that's precisely the core OF Aikido, to use the opponents momentum and point of balance against them. If anything, kicks are among the single easiest attacks for a grappler to handle. I've had little actual training in Aikido but I have had the pleasure of training under Prof. Wally Jay in Small Circle Jujitsu (Jujitsu being probably the primary art Aikido is based on) and can tell you from experience sparring with the guy, try kicking a good grappler in the head and you're basically handing them the match...there would be no need for a ground fight, Jay successfully tapped me (and strikers way, way faster than me) consistently and with very little, if any, effort and I don't think I ever remember him actually going to the ground to do it. Mind you the guy is pushing 95 now so I have my doubts he's quite as quick as he was 17+ years ago.

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"I have often laughed at weaklings
who thought themselves good because
they had no claws."

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