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This movie is actually not that bad.


Seeing at how much people trash on Seagal and his latest movies, this is the only one I've seen in the past 3 or 4 years....i wasn't expecting much. And considering that most action movies are dumb in general...i REALLY wasnt expecting much from a DTV Seagal action movie. But i must say...it was pretty good. it wasnt really smart or anything but it was enjoyable to watch. the fight scenes are well choreographed and you can tell they put some time into it. I rented it from my school for free...so its not like i lost anything. But i would buy it...and i would watch it again.

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LMAO, idiot. It's a state university. We have one of the biggest film and video production curriculums on the east coast, it only makes sense that we have access to movies at our leisure. lol, some people.

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So if you're supposed to be learning about films then why the hell are you watching crap films like that. Moreover, if you're learning to make films then you should have some understanding of what makes a good film. There is nothing remotely good about this film. I'm studying for a degree in Film Production Technology and the only thing I learned from watching this film is 'how NOT to make a film'.

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There is something you could learn from any film, any decent film teacher would tell you that. Also, for your information, as far as money goes, and Direct to video pulls in more money than the cinemas, seagal is making a very smart move. If you think hollywood or film studios are out to make good products than you are a fool. They are making something to make money...not to make you feel all warm inside. The biggest goal of film studios is to make money...and right now, all of seagals movies pull a profit, in america and overseas. If you understood the film process you would know why so many cheesy action films are still being made...because they make money. In fact, the main stage studios look at now...is the home/dvd stage...because they now know that it makes more money there than at the theaters....several studios just view the theaters and just more advertising for the eventual DVD release...thats fact, my friend. And I never said the movie was great, i just said it didnt warrant all the criticism it got. And if you know anything about martial arts choreography, you would know that this movie has some of the best choreography seen in an american movie in years. I suggest you understand all aspects of film. haha.

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What the hell was that rant about the DVD market for?! I didn't say anything about the film not making any money. So what if it made money when it was released to DVD. Surely it would make more money if given the opportunity to be seen in cinemas. The reason it didn't make it that far is because it is 100% crapola. It didn't have 'some of the best choreography in years' because it was badly shot. Maybe some of it was okay but to be honest that can all be credited to Seagal's stunt double as it wasn't Seagal.

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You said the only thing that someone could learn from this film was how to not make a film...and I made another point...its a way to make money. I really doubt your statement about making more money in the cinemas...interest in Seagal has deflated to a point where I doubt it would make much money...that's why studios won't take chances on him. It's all a matter of the profit potential, and his best profit potential is in the straight to video market. And ask anyone who watches Seagal's recent movies...this is one of the best. I even know people who aren't Seagal fans who liked this movie. And the choreography is good...because you can tell that it's done by people who know what they are doing...it has nothing to do with the camera angles...because when it comes to choreographing fights...the last thing the performers are worried about are the cameras. Like I said before...learn more about the filming process...because its obvious the fight choreographers did their job...even if the camera people didnt. Those are two separate units of filming...and they dont work together until shooting days...so one or the others bad performance shouldnt be taken out on the other. For example, if someone wrote a crappy script...it would still be crappy even if Scorcese or Speilberg directed it. So if you want to complain about something...complain about the camera work..blame the DOP...but dont blame the choreography. Its two different things.

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Why would I blame the Director of Photography for bad camera angles? He does the fuucking lighting of the film. I'm pretty sure that is left up to the camera man or the director - or with most cases of fight scenes - the second unit director. I can't believe you are defending this film. It is awful. People must laugh at you. You said yourself that interest in Seagal has deflated. Ask yourself why?! And saying that it is one of Seagal's best films isn't saying much either is it?!

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You really don't read everything that I say, do you? I said, ask anyone who's watched any of Seagal's RECENT, RECENT, RECENT films...its one of the best. I know this doesnt compare with his older films...but out of all his DTV efforts, this is the best one...ask anyone who's seen all of them. And go read up on Director of Photography, buddy...he or she is responsible for the 'look' of the film including camera work and yes, lighting. So anyone would guess that they are involved in the camera shots....but...just in case you didn't believe me...I've included a few definitions for you:

# AKA: DP, DoP A cinematographer who is ultimately responsible for the process of recording a scene in the manner desired by the director. The Director of Photography has a number of possible duties: selection of film stock, cameras, and lenses; designing and selecting lighting, directing the gaffer's placement of lighting; shot composition (in consultation with the director); film developing and film printing.
www.ldsfilm.com/ar/glossary.html

# The DP is responsible to the director for achieving optimum image on film. Selects the camera and lighting equipment and supervises camera and lighting crews for each shot.
www.mcalistertalent.com/filmterm.htm

# Video crew member responsible for producing the desired image, in both content and style, on camera. Works closely with the director and the gaffer.
www.bavc.org/glossary.htm

# Responsible for the “look” of the film; works with the lighting director to set-up shots and camera moves. The DP has the ultimate responsibility for ensuring that each scene is properly recorded on film. Sometimes called the cinematographer.
www.magicalears.com/films/How%20To/Glossary%20of%20Film%20&%20TV%20Production%20Careers/index.php

You know...from all of these definitions...it would seem as though, the DOP could affect the outcome of the camera work, go figure.

And I must refer to my first post again, I NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, said this movie was great...but I said it was entertaining. XXX was complete garbage, and it was entertaining...this movie falls along those same lines. I only made this post because I felt the movie was getting unjust criticism.

And to make another point, interest has deflated a considerable amount with all the action stars of the early 90s, not just Steven Seagal.

Anyway, this is pointless, and I've grown bored with it, you still havent brought up a valid argument because I doubt youve watched his other RECENT films because you would know that this hands down beats them all...so,watch what you want man. And I'll continue to do the same.

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I haven't watched Seagal's other recent films because I have learnt my lesson with this one! I said even if this is one of his best films it isn't saying much because all of his films (even the old ones) are complete crap. You go read my original posts bell end, I called you retarded and you still didn't pick up on the fact that it was an insult. Go figure - as you say - yankie doodle!

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lol, I'm well aware that it was an insult, I humored you to see if you could bring up any valid points against my point...and you didn't, idiot. You just ranted on about this and that. My statement was that this was the best of his recent films, and seeing as how you haven't even watched the other films, how can you even make a statement, fool. You have no grounds to discount my statement because you can't. You haven't seen the movies...can you follow the logic there, buddy. And last time I checked, insulting people on a message board designed for openminded debate might make you the retard. Have a nice life. :)

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You were on here typing about Steven Seagal on New Year's Eve?! You must have had a good time. You're right I haven't seen Seagal's more recent efforts. But from the ratings they've received I doubt I'm the only one who thinks negatively of them. I bet you're a little Seagal fanboy and this isn't his only film of his that you've written about. In fact, I bet you write about all the old macho action stars that used to be, like Van Damme. I can see now that we just like completely different films. I like good ones, whereas you like bad ones. Have a good year mate. Thanks for the cool debate.

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Yeah, I was on here on New Years Eve because of a family situation I was unable
to go through with my own plans. That couldn't be helped. And, if you would
check my post history...this is the first and only Seagal movie I have written
about...do your homework before making statements, it makes you look dumb. And
yes, a lot of people don't like this movie, but you know what you should do?
Read the reviews of other people, several people agree with what I said...for
some reason, I feel like I have to state it for you again, "this is the best of
his recent films". You keep ignoring that because you can't make a legitimate
argumet against my inital statement because you can't back it up. I really
don't care what films you like and nothing you say will change my mind, you
entered this 'debate' acting ignorant and you continued all the way through.
You must be proud of yourself that you called someone retarded on a message
board....oh man, watch out...you're bad. You haven't said a single thing to
back up your angle except, "it sucks, I dont like it". If you would have said
that from the beginning we wouldn't have had a problem, instead you insulted me
from the beginning. Something that could have merely been a matter of personal
choice, you turned into an argument because you wanted to act foolish and
ignorant. Bottom line is...I've seen the other movies...and can make a
statement about if its better than the others....you haven't...so how can you
even comment? It's simple, you can't, my friend. So, yes, I'm sure you'll
come back with another insult instead of anything to actually solidify your
position...yeah, you're that preditable.

I saw someones signature on here earlier and it read...

"Arguing on IMDB is like running in the special olympics, even if you win,
you're still retarded"

That made me laugh because I do realize how foolish this is...and further more
its made me realize that, just like that quote, you also happen to be a joke.

If you want to debate in the future, learn how to do it like an adult and then
come back.

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Damn I thought I was being nice at the end of my last post. You're right I haven't seen his recent films. I already said that. Okay I will debate 'like an adult' now and say why this film 'sucks'. Just 'sucks' in general though...

1. Steven Seagal is a bad actor and acts like he is constipated the entire time.

2. You can see how difficult it is for Seagal to get up from the ground when he slides under the window at the beginning. He groans because he finds it so difficult. (And that bit is shot terribly - you never see his feet and so get the impression that he is being pushed along!)

3. The writing. For example; Seagal goes into some night club and kills or maims a couple of the doormen in the middle of the dancefloor - then continues to walk around. Where are the police in this town? Also, the taxi driver turns out to be a hitman - what a coincedence that Seagal happened to get into his taxi. There are loads more but you get the impression.

4. The action scenes are badly made. Whether it is in the choreography or the way it is shot - they look bad.

5. The parts where they use a stand in are too obvious. The double is a completely different shape and size. They may as well have used Vern Troyer!

6. The ADR was not done by Seagal and it shows. They may as well have used Billy Connolly because the 'voice double' (if that's what they call it) does not sound remotely similar.

7. The last point is not really a criticism but the irony in the title is unintentionally funny.

Are we friends yet?

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As far as the debate goes:
Dreancast:7
Marsellus7:0
Mars insults were totally uncalled for, not mature to say the least. He seems to have some anger and social skill issues to deal with.

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Jeez people, no one actually watches a Steven Segal movie for the acting or the plot.. it's all about Steve kicking butt and being cool. Kind of like a 2nd rate jackie Chan pic except the hero is a white Budhist (probably spelt that wrong?). Just you all shut up and enjoy it for what this film is and all his other films too.. popcorn for lame ass guys who wish they could do what he does.

Damn, there was one film he was in that actually was a 'proper' film... on a ship, can't remember it's name atm. Ah well....

Oh yeah, one other thing, If no one enjoyed these films, if they all bombed in the cinema do you really think they'd still be making them.. he has a HUGE fan base and is a really sweet guy or at least that's what my wife says' and she's met him.

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It was actually one of his better recent efforts. Seagal has made some great films in his career. So what if he will never win best actor at the Oscars? His earlier films were often the better ones, but that doesn't mean that all his recent ones suck. Steven Seagal is a legend!

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A legend, an icon, and a darned first class Martial Artist. They know these things, they just want to appear clever, you know, giving "expert" opinions with their crappy posts, without one single clue what the hell they're talking about!!!

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wait a minute.......

is this or is this not the movie in which seagal chops an arrow in half with a samurai sword?

if so.....then this belongs on the top 250 list!

:/

seagal's been making *beep* for twenty years now and he can't even act as well as.....hmm, who sucks at acting?? um....HAYDEN CHRISTIENSEN!

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if you think you can learn something from any movie, then watch Dracula 3000 tell me what you learn. You will only learn how to lose brain cells without using drugs.

"Your replies are ill advised, but go ahead and post anyway."

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haha, I saw the cover of that and knew to stay away.

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wow nice "i know about movies and you don't" bitchslapping contest

not as bad as I expected and guess what i'm almost as much a attention seeker as this idiot marsellus "say anything to get a reply" 7

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This is 'The Arena' and I'd love to see BLOOD! Who says Segal is the Actor with two main expressions: WITH the pony tail and WITHOUT the pony tail? Hey Steve, write me a msg and I can find out the full address of this Italian critic, so you can show him a few of your AiKiDo tricks, those not letting the catch, so that the bones may snap and crack... That is CINEMA!

PS: I still have to see this movie, it's only aired tonight on TV, but I wouldn't spend a cent to buy the dvd or to go to a hall to see it...

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Turning this debate into a new steven seagal movie THAT is cinema! Previous segal movie this board sounds close to shakespeare.

Still think it was a nice bit of popcorn movie, good for a rainy afternoon at home. Who cares about technical stuff, I saw a big friggin tripod in the middle of a shot in Young guns, still liked the movie.

Wanna show off your movie smarts? Write a script that gets produced :P

hey did i get your attention yet? no? damn

ok you suck

the movie sucks

my vacuum sucks!

die piggy piggy die...

............... please sign personal insult on dotted line and respond to it.


Anyone who has enought time to have stupid debates on this site and pretend they know something about making movies sucks, if they where any good at their job they wouldn't be here..

oh crap that means i suck.... AAAAAH!!!!!

naah just bored, i'm really good at making movies!

insert selfcentered BS there > ...................

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I'm not Italian.

Seagal is rubbish. Enough said.

Even the blokes in the Orange Ad don't want to make his films....!

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Okay. I am a loser - but you are the one defending Seagal. What is vague in my knowledge of the film making process? Please explain...

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I do know what a DP does. Notice how I pretty much said what all those quotes and defintions said using about fifty less words than that other bloke did. I said that the DP doesn't choose shots because he doesn't choose shots. It's called a collaboration. The director and DP liase on the whole look of the film. The DP's specialty is in the lighting, lenses and filters. For example, the Director will say what he wants from a shot and the DP will choose the equipment, such as lighting etc.., that best suits the job.

I know this because I make films. I've been Director twice which means I've done what I just stated above - twice.

Well done with the Silent Bob quote. I am just in awe of your knowledge of Kevin Smith. I wish I was you.

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marsellus7 I liked the movie too man. crap on yourself instead of this thread

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I give up. If you can't beat 'em... join 'em. You have all convinced me. This film is totally brilliant - in every way possible. The acting, directing, editing, writing and score are all top notch.

No replies necessary. I concede.

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So much for the no reply necessary...

Yes I am a film student so I'm not really a director. I was just stating I knew what a DP did because I've directed twice and therefore worked with a DP twice.

SO what do you do apart from talk online about how good Steven Seagal is?

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Just to add some SPICE to this thread 8)
I finally saw the movie on TV, but I actually cannot remember anything, except perhaps HIM: still I believe his best acting was in that movie when he was in a coma... 8)))
As for the plot, it still lacks some WASABI, if you know what I mean: at least Jean Reno is more ironic, even if he may not have all the 'finesse' in crushing bones of our hero; and yes, I don't agree Mr. Segal is a cocaine dependent fellow too: I can only imagine him absorbed in his breathing in and out experience, beside fixing the energy between his own two feet...

As for the hero of my infancy, Lee Marvin was, and still is, more than enough!

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this movie is that bad.

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I agree, this movie is bad because Steven is admittedly a boring fighter who impossibly wins every fight. He may have the size, but let's face it, he's bloated, ugly and slow. Fast guys like Jet Li and Byron Mann can definitely take him down.

Thai girls are really stupid and desperate. They show their naked bodies to every foreign men and hit on them because they are so damn *beep* poor. Get a real job for *beep* sakes. Asian guys like Byron Mann are much better.

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What the heck is that shot at Thai girls for, man? Have you ever even been to Bangkok? If you had bothered to even think about it, you'd realize that ninety percent of those girls who are in the sex trade are there as the result of human trafficking--essentially they're sex slaves forced into that trade after being shipped off by their parents in the countryside who believed they were being sent to be maids and live better lives.

Why don't you go cuss out sub-saharan africans for being malnourished now, eh? Work out what it is you're talking about before insulting a group of people who deserve to be pitied and helped not reviled and hit with idiotic comments like yours.

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I bought it for little money one or two years ago. A second hand version from my video rental. Not becaues Seagal but because of the director Ching Siu-Tung. (One of the best martial arts choreographers ever.) But I never saw it. Today it is running on TV so I wanted to see the IMDb-rating. And I Found that board. Very funny. Marsellus must be a politician. Completely resistant to arguments.
I will turn on my beamer now and watch it. Than I hope, discussion will continue. The most amusing ever on IMDb.

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"That said, I hope I don't sound like a jerk or anything."

TOO LATE!

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Shut up with the annoying pointless critisizms. For what it is BOTB wasn't that bad of a film. Sure Seagal is a fat, out of shape 56 year old man (who was heavily doubled for this feature) but he can still kick ass and that's all that matters.

"El pollo loco to you too."

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"Sure Seagal is a fat, out of shape 56 year old man (who was heavily doubled for this feature)..."

And that makes it a good film? Sorry but I can't understand why you would say it is good and then state one of the many reasons as to why it is so awful. Just a matter of opinion I guess.

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Now you're just running out of things to say, putting words into my mouth that I never said. Sure the movie wasn't great but for what it is (a direct-to-video feature) it wasn't as terrible as I was expecting. Now if Lorenzo Lamas, Roddy Piper or Jeff Speakman showed up in this movie, then I'd totally agree with you.

"El pollo loco to you too."

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Marsellus, why don't you just shut the hell up, you boring dumb ass. What, because you say a movie is rubbish, people have to agree with that? You Seagal bashers are all alike, you prat.

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Agreed. More and more cinephiles come out of the woodwork and look down on people who LOVE the mindless tripe Hollywood creates...but opinion is opinion and everyone is entitled to theirs.

This flick was frigging hilarious and also mega bad-ass with the master; Seagal himself.

Y'know lead lined fridges are so durable they can withstand thermo nuclear explosions!?!

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