I may not be too knowledgeable when it comes to guns, but in the scene where the old thief is showing off the Glock and the girl takes it, he claims to not have given her a loaded gun, but when she produces the clip and cocks it, a round clearly comes out. Doesn't this mean a round was in the chamber when the clip was out? Couldn't she still have shot him?
shareYeah thats what I was thinking too.
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I know that this is an old post but I've only just seen this today. (Also, I'm newly registered to this site.)
The Glock design doesn't incorporate a magazine safety, so it could have been fired with the magazine ejected. However, Sam (Kristin Booth) couldn't know that a round was chambered without either seeing Leo (David Suchet) rack the slide after loading the gun or without doing a quick check. The best way for her to ensure she had a loaded weapon was to put the magazine in the gun and rack the slide to chamber a round. If it was a newer model Glock it would have a loaded chamber indicator, but they were only added recently to comply with newer restrictive state laws.
Just my opinion. :0)
sombody sure has done their homework well...
would have been kinda fun tho, if Sam had shot Leo, thinking there's no bullet in the chamber and thus movie had finished cos they somehow found the plans-- who wouldnt want to see the faces of the people during the premiere or at the cinemas... funnier than the whole movie, tho the flick was super entertaining
wow, that guys knows a lot about glocks.. anyway i thought that she never intended to shoot him at all, it was all part of the plan to make it seem as if there was a division between rob and the other two so leo would believe it when he pretended double cross them??
That was exactly the point...to invoke a sense of trust between Rob and Leo. Damn to damnation I wish the final season of Two Guys and Girl had been made!!
shareIt wouild have been cool had she shot Leo because then they could have gone on and done the heist without him. Also, then there would be a body to get rid of. Creepier.
sharei dont think thats the point...even tho she couldnt have known that a round was chambered, it still shows that leo was not all that of a professional as he was supposed to be...ie he wouldve never given her the opportunity to have a shot without stealing his magazine...
shareI've never used a Glock, but I have dealt with plenty of 9mm sidearms in my military days. When you lock the clip in and release the slide, there is a round ready. Of course you safe the weapon but engaging the saftey, but regardless once that clip is in the round is ready to fire. If you pulled back the slide it would immediately eject a round and pick up the next one when you released it.
That's what made the 9mm sidearm more "deadly" than the standard M16. Most folks carried the M16 with a clip in it but never charged the weapon; the pistol was charged once the clip was put in. So the rifle had two steps before use: charging the weapon AND releasing the safety. The pistol just had to have the safety disengaged.
Wow! I seem to like digging up old posts. The last reply over two months old, this one over two years old.
Anyway, with all due respect to bikebryan, it seems that you are not very familiar with firearms regardless of whether you used them in the military. Magazines are used in almost all modern semi-auto handguns and rifles. A clip loads rounds into a cylinder or magazine that generally does not detach from the weapon, like that found on the M1 Garand. Yes, they are two different things. Magazines hold rounds for feeding/firing, clips are used to fill magazines or cylinders. Google it if you like. :0)
Further, in your post, you also make a statement that isn't factually correct since the action of chambering a round on both of the weapons you mention is very similar. Both the standard M16/AR15 rifle and the M9/Beretta 92F 9mm pistol accept detachable magazines for loading. As such, they would need to have either the slide(pistol) or charging handle(rifle) pulled & released if in their normal forward position, or the slide(pistol) or bolt carrier(rifle) locked-back in the open position then released, AFTER insertion of a loaded magazine to chamber a round.
In the scenario you described above, the rifle was empty with bolt carrier forward on an empty chamber and a loaded magazine inserted, safety on. The pistol is in a different state with the slide locked rearward and an empty chamber. If a magazine is inserted and the slide released forward, it would cause a round to be stripped and loaded into the chamber making the weapon "ready to fire", as you stated. The same could be said of the rifle if it, too, were in the same state(bolt carrier locked back then released after loaded magazine insertion). Neither is inherently more "deadly" than the other as long as you "Keep your booger hook off the bang switch".
You also mentioned the steps needed to fire the rifle as opposed to the pistol. In the case of a Glock VS an AR-style rifle, disengaging the safety of the rifle & racking the charging handle before pulling the trigger as opposed to just disengaging the safety before pulling the pistol's trigger, being as the Glock has no manually engaged safety, this whole point is moot. Once the chamber is loaded on a Glock, it is ready to fire as long as the trigger is correctly pulled.
Thorough knowledge of the firearm you are using is what makes it either safe or dangerous. I keep my AR15 with an empty chamber, dropped hammer, safety off and full magazine inserted. This necessitates only that the charging handle be racked before the weapon is "ready to fire". When I carried a Beretta pistol(96D), it had no safety either, just my finger off the trigger kept if from firing.
It has been a while since I've seen this movie, but I seem to remember that if you listen closely, the chambered round is actually just an empty shell by the sound it make when it hits the floor. This still doesn't make any sense because an empty would never stay in an autoloader anyway. But the point is, she would not have been able to shoot without the Mag. Keeping on the Gun-goofs, there are two other things I would like to mention. First, when they are first showing the pistol, Leo mistakenly explains the barrel has "Rifting" in it. Barrels have Rifling, not rifting. Also, semi auto pistols will not function using blanks without either swapping the barrel or installing a barrel plug to increase back pressure so the powder burn will blow the slide back without a bullet in the barrel. Every blank I've ever fired in a non modified pistol requires manual cycling of the action for each shot.
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In Glock model handguns, you can most certainly fire a round out of the weapon without the magazine being present.
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