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Wtf does the ending mean? (spoilers)


Is it just that....(scary, ironic voice) "there is still someone out there" Plz tell me it's not?

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I have no idea, but I may have a clue. If I remember the movie right....there is some whistling in the forest? Isn't there? In that case.....didn't the farmer guy, who opened the gate for the TV-crew, whistle in the beginning? Or am I just talking crap? But there was alot of unanswered questions in this movie. What was the deal with the holes in all the trees? And why did the "leader" of the crew chop down a tree in the middle of the night?

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I remember the whistling too...

Seems like we agree that it's a strange movie.

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The farmer didn't whistle in the begining.
There are some whistling in the forrest, but I don't know who's making it.

It baders me that I don't understand this movie. I like the film, and I think it was well made, but there are so many unanswered question I would like to have the answeres to. Anyone who can help me??

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Where are you all people from? Norway?

Here is some answers for the unanswered questions:

You are asking why there is spots on the trees...
-I think that's just to show us that something is out there and tries to comfuse the team. If you notice, that there is spots on some trees that makes a ring. And in the middle of It there is something different things. From one of the trees there is hanging a metal thing. This is what the tent by the wather is hold up by and Per is killed with...

It is the farmer that makes the whistlings everythime there is about to happen something. As axample: Right before Lasse and Sara finds Per dead, you hear the whistlings... When Sara is one the toilet, Elin hears whistlings and the rabbit is trown at her by the farmer...NOT Lasse. And the rabbit is feack!

Why is Gunnar choping down the tree?
-He is saying why he does It in the movie. That tree has been botherd him for so long because It close the sunlight out. That's why he choping It in the night so he can get It down before the sunrise.

Is there still something out there?
-Well I guess It is. Couse there is no sign of that they caught that gate keeper. The mad man in the red dress (the german guy) dies at the end,but the gate keeper is still out there. On the picture where Lasse zooms in you see that the gate keeper takes the picture, and Lasse remembers then that that farmer is still out there...

I also like that movie. I'm norwegian myself, but I don't really like norwegians movies. Exept this one. And those forests... God they are SO creepy. My hut lies in almost that kind of forest and I hate to go outside when It's dark...

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On the alternative ending on the DVD, Lasse is watching the slide showing the crew on the plane that crashed in that lake, instead of the slide of the couple in front of the cabin. And he zooms in on the German dude's grandfather (circled in), and discovers that he is the same man as the farmer... I have no idea what that means though... So he survived the crash? And he hasn't aged since? And he didn't like the girl his grand-son married, so he murdered her, and left his grand-son all alone in there..? I...have...NO...clue... Maybe it's best that they choose the other not-understandable ending...

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It isn't the farmer that threw the rabbit at Elin, it's the german. The reason why we hear the whistlings right before something is about to happen, is to create a scary atmosphere, and because the german wants to draw the TV-crews attention.



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Gunnar isn't just choping down a tree in the middle of the night just so that it's not blocking the sunlight in the morning, although that is what he claims in the movie. Obviously Gunnar has some serious emotinional problems and is trying to cope with them the only way he know: by ignoring them. In my opinion Gunnar is out choping wood so that he can do something else than to think and probably remember bad memories from his past at the cabin.

I think you're right when it comes to the farmer, though. He has a bigger part in the movie than just being the old farmer in the FK-cap opening the gate which they drive through in the beginning.

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i think that the area with the marked trees is where the plane crash occured

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It doesn´t mean ANYTHING. I heard tried different solutions on who they were to put in the reflection in the end. They just did something they felt were cool. Like the rest of the film, IT DOESN´T MEAN ANYTHING.

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Yeah, I enjoyed parts of the movie, but the ending is quite sucked! Thus, 5 outa 10 for me.

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I always tought that it was the gatekeeper that killed the germans girl and threw her in the lake, and when her boyfriend saw it, he went mad. But i dont know, that gatekeeper is creepy.

i guess when i think about it, maybe its him killing everybody, and the german is just running around being a mad transvestite..


Twizted movie anyways.

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s-e-berg: I agree with you fully,. both the answers and your opinion on norweiagn movies. I'm norweigan myself and I'm kinda sceptic to norweigan movies, however, Villmark was very good in my eyes.. I was really scared, not only cause of the plot and characters, but just cause of the atmosphere and the creepyness of the forests and such.. :)
and that whistling! Ugh.haha scarred for life.

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I saw this movie the other night, and I figured out someting!

The dead girl in the lake, is gunnars daughter... She got killed by that forest guard man... He strangeled her.. You heard it on the tape..
Gunnar took the film-team to the lake to figure out what happened to his daughter!
The crazy man in the red dress is his son in law...

I, Myself is a norwegian girl... I usually dont like norwegian films neigher, but villmark, and Buddy are gooood films:D
I will never sleep in the forest again;S



Why do we kill people who kill people to show people killing is wrong??!?

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I have just saw the film and your message has been very helpfull for me. I think all you say is true.
I´m from Spain and I have seen the film with english subs, so it has been tough for me to understand everything that happened, and it could be the reason why I find this movie a litle boring and far behind of "Himellfall" or "Elling".

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I'm also from norway.

I think you're right schoobs.

I think that the gatekeeper is accually the german pilot. You never hear him speak... The germans girlfriend is Gunnars daugther and the german (would become his son in law). The reason why the german pilot didn't age is... he died in the crash. Why do you think that Gunnar was never allowed to go to the lake as a child :O And the photo at the end was taken outside Gunnars cabin. I don't think that Gunnar was the type who would let his cabin out on hire or lend it out.

There was something spooky going on around there already when Gunnar was a child.

He chopped down the tree in the middle of the night because he was stressed.

The reason why gunnar wanted to stay at the cabin after they found the dead woman might be because he wanted to see if the german was still hanging around. His daugther was missing and he hadn't heard from neither his daugther nor her boyfriend in a month...

Would the german cityboy survive in the norwegian woods for a month without eating his hermetic food, just a tent to live in, a dress to wear and tentspikes to kill his food with?! I don't think so...

I liked this movie. But it seemed to me that the director didn't really know himself what he really wanted to tell us with the movie and how he was going to tell the story. Though he pulls it off really well and the film is way better than any 1990's hollywood shiver-/horrormovie.

I've seen better horror movies. F.ex. "The Ring" which I recently found is a ripp off of the japaneese movie "Ringu." "The Others" is also a really good horrormovie though I'd figured what the ending would be after half an hour and the rest was just waiting for a confimation of the storyline...

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The other posibility is that the gatekeeper (who took a photo of the couple outside of gunnars cabin) really was a crazy local farmer who killed the girl and sank her into the lake. But why tie the rope to the tree?

I am sure the german didn't kill his girlfriend cause they seamed really happy and "in love" on the pictures at the end of the film.

I think the first theory fits best...

These are just hints and I really have no idea what the director really wanted to tell us...

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great explanations, but one thing I'm still wondering: how/why was the girl in the water pulled back in like that?


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Maybe the rope was tied to the tree because it was the end of a fishingnet?! The net would pull the body back into the lake...

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I disagree with the woman being Gunnar's daughter. They discovered the body - he would have shown some signs of distress.

They never really explained what they were doing there in the first place. It was something to do with a TV show, but they never said what the TV show was about or why it would be in that spot.

I thought the ending was wrapped up quite well. I think the gatekeeper definitely killed the woman, since if her husband hadn't gone insane beforehand then that would have sent him over the edge. At the ending, they said she had probably drowned right in front of him though, I didn't understand why he wouldn't have gone after the gatekeeper instead of the group in the woods, since if he'd seen her die he would've tried to stop it/avenge her death afterwards.
I quite like the way there are a lot of loose ends, it's better than a lot of horror movies that give you all the answers, since it leaves you wanting more, makes you think about it long after to form some sort of explanation. Everyone can interpret it differently, since the director is the only one with the real answers. Whether he did this intentionally or not though is a mystery.

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I just saw the movie. I loved it. But that ending was pretty weird... And I think I don't even want to know more :D. That movie was scary.

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I just have to tell ppl, the dude that play`s the "farmer"/german pilot. He was my teatcher in highschool. I actualy had him as teatcher was when the movie was made :) I never looked at him the same ;)

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Ok...I think that some of these theories are stretching it a bit. A few gurgling noises on the tape and a vague reference to gunnar's neglected daughter are supposed to imply that Gunnar dragged his prospective film team out into the woods to figure out what happened to her? Ummm, I don't think so. (simply calling the cops would have been easier I think...). I also think that maybe - MAYBE - the implication at the end was that the German pilot was the old guy at the gate, but if this was so then it was pretty flimsily implied. That would make sense, except for the question as to why there were TWO nuts running around in the woods. Who killed Per and attacked the others, and why? The German / gate guy? The freak in the dress who we SAW attack Lasse? Maybe the guy in the dress was miffed that Lasse and Per were messing with his stuff, and maybe the gate guy was mad that he'd been stuck in the woods for sixty years. And, besides, if the gate guy was the German pilot, did the dress guy realize that he was his grandfather?
Since I don't understand Norwegian I couldn't tell for sure, but I think "grandfather" was listed in the credits. If this is referring to the grandfather of the guy in the dress then I guess this means that the gate guy is DEFINITELY the German. But on the other hand it could also mean Gunnar's grandfather on the tape.
Hmmm...not too clear. I just watched the movie and was let with a "What the hell?" kind of feeling, and it's nice to see that I'm not just an idiot or something - well, maybe I am, but at least other people have a hard time putting together what exactly the end was supposed to mean as well. Nice film otherwise, nice buildup and super scenery.

ps...the whistling? Sound effects, man, SOUND EFFECTS. ("Yeah...I think that the psycho had a keyboard too - I heard MUSIC every time someone was about to be attacked!")

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the old german pilot was a ghost, one can see that the tent raises itself in a ghostlike essence. the old man is haunting the lake, and killing everyone that gets near it. A lake where i doesn't freeze implies that it is haunted etc etc, as gunnar says, his grandfather tells him that the lake doesn't freeze, or in norwegian, "farfaren min sa det aldri la seg is på det vannet".

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Totally disagree about the ghost-theory.

The gate keeper is NOT the pilot, im pretty sure about that. Very little in the movie indicates that its something supernatrual going on.

I dont think the gate keeper have to be a scary guy just beacause he took the picture of the German and his girlfriend, although im not sure. But its a common effect in horror movies that the ending really isnt an ending, so in this case im not sure if the gate keeper necisarilly is a criminal or anything.

The whistling is of course a sound effect.

The only thing i wonder of, is Gunnars behaviour. Why is he like that? Ahh, i get so mad at him. Bringing them to this strange place, knowing that theres something scary going on - and not letting them out of the woods when everything gets creepy and *beep* Why do you think Gunnar is so strange? As they say in the movie "Where is the Gunnar i used to know, and the one i liked to co-operate with" (i think that is what they said).

PS! Enjoyed the movie a lot. Kristoffer Joner is a good actor, and the movie is scary and quite realistic. I get goosebumps only when i write about the movie right here...

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Gunnar knows something he's not telling the others, i think thats the strange behavior. and how do you explain the tent rising in such a ghostlike move, with the poles tightening and all, without there beeing a ghost involved?

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When the tent rises, it's a close-up shot, that's why we don't see who does it. I don't think it's meant to imply that there's a ghost.

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Oh my, old topic, but anyways... the whistling sounds aren't what I would specify as 'sound effects'. It's indicating that the guy that was opening the gate also has a hand in all this. He don't actually whistle when he opens the gate, but somehow Lasse managed to connect the whistling to that guy.
Also, when it comes to the confusing ending: That's what's horror films are all about. I think everything has a logical explanation, everything seems rather real, and I don't believe in this ghosts theory... that the lake didn't froze is not enough for me. Dang, I gotta see this film again... such a long time ago :)

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"The whistling is of course a sound effect."

Have you seen the movie with commentaries on? During the scene at the end where they see the reflections and Kris is having a flashback about the gatekeeper, the director himself says that the point of the whistling was to make the audience realise that the gatekeeper was the one doing the whistling throughout the entire film. (He actually said that it was put in so the smarter parts of the audience would realise that, and then added that he thought it might have been too vague for people to catch on to) They also said that they discover that "matters are actually not as easy as the police thinks", and Marko says that it was about getting a feeling that "it's not over"

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"The only thing i wonder of, is Gunnars behaviour. Why is he like that? Ahh, i get so mad at him. Bringing them to this strange place, knowing that theres something scary going on - and not letting them out of the woods when everything gets creepy and *beep*"

Here's my take on Gunnar; this might be a bit long, bear with me:

Quite obviously Gunnar knows that there's something about the pond. He has himself been warned about the pond when he was a child. Note, however, that this does not keep Gunnar himself from going up to the pond, he is up there on his own initiative when he sees the 2 boys messing about with the camp. He also tells them the story about the german plane crash and the pond never getting frozen in winter. He builds suspension by allowing the team to play the tape where his grandpa warns him about the pond, and then grabs it from them just when they have heard enough.

I think he wants to use this pond as a harmless "scare tactic" against the team. He's very familiar with the cabin and the pond, he has probably been frightened himself as a child, but as far as he knows, noone has ever been hurt by it. He probably just thinks that it's an old ghost story, nothing more than superstition(why else would he bring the team, and himself up there?), and wants to use this to his advantage to add a bit of fright to the team building. The idea being that fright would bring the team closer together - he obviously believes that physical exhaustion and other hardships(no smokes, no phones etc) will, and fright has an even more powerful effect, so that makes sense.

He might also believe that the frightening aspects of the ghost story might portray him as the brave leader to the rest of the team - since he is already familiar with the pond, and considers it a scary but harmless story, putting on a brave face will not be difficult. Lasse even hints at this, by confronting him with his "macho facade", and claiming it's all a show-off to impress the girls.(Especially Elin, perhaps) The director claims on the voiceovers that Gunnar is the one who scares Per with the gas mask early on - this supports the "scare tactics" theory.

And this will fit quite nicely with the theory that says Gunnar is attracted to Elin - anyone familiar with the effects watching a scary movie with your "afraid of the dark" girlfriend will have...? He might consider this a nice bonus. This might also explain why Elin hesitates to answer when asked why she has been putting up with Gunnar for so long - she might have difficulties finding the answer. As it is, it turns out Elin is not "afraid of the dark", and this might be an extra frustration for Gunnar. By the time Elin tells him they will never work together again, he has already realised this, and you can see the resigned look in his face.

When they find the dead body, things change. I don't think Gunnar was aware of the body, as he does seemed shocked when the boys pull it up for him to see. He also has no clear-cut plan to keep the team going after they find the body, which indicates that he was not prepared for that situation. When Elin learns about this, he also says that deciding to stay was a "difficult decision to make". I think this definitely explain most of his strange behaviour later, like him chopping away at the tree and dealing out weird "punishments". The dead body in the lake is bothering him, maybe because it is splitting up the team instead of welding them together, maybe because it is the first real indication he really has that there might actually be something real about the ghost story, maybe both. He realise he may have put the team in real danger, which was never his intention.

The reason that he chooses to stay is most likely that he is determined not to abandon his work. The movie pictures him as a very determined man, and he is not prepared to give up all the effort he has put into the team building because of a dead body. Career and work is obviously the most important things in his life, and he is quite prepared to make sacrifices for the sake of his work. He has probably also convinced himself that the dead body is actually just a result of an accident and unrelated to the ghost stories.

By the time things really start to get dangerous, he might be thinking that the safest thing is probably just to stick together by the cabin that he has known as a safe place all his life instead of braving the woods that now seem dark and dangerous. By now he has effectively lost control of the team anyway, so there's not much he can do. You can tell by the expression in his face when Sara starts to cry that he doesn't like upsetting her. And note the expression in his face when he uncovers Pers dead body - he is genuinely shocked, and you can tell that he now realises that his plan has gone horribly wrong. He was never intending to hurt anyone in the team, but the situation is rapidly spinning out of his control, which is causing him to "lose it". Pers death causes a very important shift in his mentality; he can no longer convince himself that the area is harmless. He now effectively resigns as a leader of the group, and I think the effect this has on his mind is what causes his actions by the very end of the movie.

This might be a stretch, but in the end, I believe he finally "sacrifices" himself to save the rest of the team. You can see him casting a final glance on the team before he stumbles straight into the armed german and gets shot, drowning the german with his body. He has accepted the blame for Pers death, and is determined to not cause any more deaths in his team, even if it means his own.





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I'm Norwegian myself and to be honest, I don't think there are any rational explanation to this movie. Everthing is mixed together in a big soup with some relations to each other and some that doesn't make any sense. This is pretty typical in such movies, and makes it more surreal and gives it a more artistic approach which lets the viewer makes their own opinions and starts a debates among the viewers such as the one we have here. This is also the reason why people can watch it again and again. And would the movie be that good if the solved everything and ended the film with all questions solved? I don't think so... Therefore you should all calm down and just worship this movie as one of the best Norwegian movies ever made!

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heres my 2 pence....

Gunnar definately has connections with the German , he even speaks German at one point in the film....apparantly there are 2 endings to this film , i saw the one where it zooms in on the cabi nwindow to reveal the gate opener taking a picture...same camera is in the cabin...in the credits there is a Ghost listed, a German listed, gate keeper...who was the ghost...?
i like the fact this is all ambigious, frustrating yes, but creepy and thought provoking....why was the Swede hesitant to answer when asked how she has put up with gunnar in the past?.... Gunnars madness points to a connection with the pilot and the dead girl... could he have killed the girl?.........answers on a postcard on this very good horror film


"Gran'pa was always tha best...."

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the killer is the gatekeeper which also is the pilot who crashed in the lake. he is a ghost hence the water not freezing in the winter on the lake. just as easy as that. the alternative ending explains this wery clearly.

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I think you're right on this one. This film was in many ways based upon "De dødes tjern" (1958) (the first norwegian horror film), a film which also took place by a tarn in the forest. Many years ago a man drowned in a small lake and now haunts it. That's what, in my opinion, is what happened in "Villmark" as well. The german pilot drowned in the water and now haunts it. The german student and his girlfriend came there to see the place his grand father died, but when his girlfriend takes a bath in the water (Gunnar sais he was never alloved to go into that water) the ghost of the german pilot kills her. The student goes insane, either because of what he saw, or because the ghost actually took controll of him (the legend of "De dødes tjern").

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