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Did Brigitte create the werewolf?

posted 11 years ago by freeist
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I conjectured about this on another thread, but it seems to deserve a topic of its own.

Remember Unleashed is set two years after GS. The makers of Unleashed said in special features that the werewolf stalking Brigitte (like a psycho ex, I'll add) is not Jason.

Talking to Ghost at one point, Brigitte suggested that she knew it came "from suburbia." The only living, infected person Brigitte knew was from suburbia: Jason. However, if it's not Jason, as the creators said, who would it be? And would Brigitte know where it came from? Especially if she met it "in the wild?" And why would it be obsessed with Brigitte, especially?

Here's how she knows: she made that werewolf. She infected him the same way Ginger infected Jason. He's obsessed with her because they had a fling when he was human. Perhaps he couldn't stand taking monkshood. He jumped over the moon, she didn't. And maybe now he resents her because of it.

I mean, if werewolfism ramps up your sex drive, how did Brigitte deal with it for two years?

So, if the werewolf isn't Jason, that means Brigitte wouldn't be a virgin. It does put her in a different perspective, and probably one that most fans wouldn't like.

[–] Morbius_Fitzgerald 11 years ago

Uh...She saw the consequences of Ginger mating with Jason and she knew the monkshood wasn't a cure, it only restrained her. I don't think Brigitte would have taken that risk and she didn't give into her sex drive until later in this movie.

Although I can see how that might happen(maybe...?), there are flaws in your logic.

Maybe I might use this for my next draft of my fanfic; "Running Away" just to see how that could work.

Goth for LIFE!

[–] freeist 11 years ago

When did she give in to her sex drive later in Unleashed? I must not be recalling. Are you talking about with Tyler? She was trying to get her monkshood, and she wasn't aggressive in any part of it, as I remember. That's hardly giving in to her sex drive. Though she might have if it had gone on.

Remember Ginger's response to spreading werewolfism to Jason? "Oops!" I think werewolfism might have a similar effect on Brigitte's mind over time. You have to remember, it had two years to work on her.

One thing: the creators of Unleashed were either totally pulling our leg, or they had a significant reason for saying that the werewolf stalking Brigitte was not Jason.

Why would a werewolf be stalking Brigitte? I know, to wait for her to change and mate for her. But unless there was some hook, why would it choose her? And I'll repeat, why would she know it's "from suburbia?"

Either way, I still say, the very presence of that werewolf suggested there was whole sequel they skipped over. It's like we missed an episode.

[–] Morbius_Fitzgerald 11 years ago

I'm talking about the masturbation scene, that is what the scene is supposed to represent - Brigitte giving into her sex drive. That scene should have been replaced if you ask me.

As for the "missing episode" thing, what did you think my "Running Away" fanfic was supposed to be? Its not perfect at portraying that but that is the basic premise.

That "oops" from the original was sarcastic, last time I checked. If she kept dosing herself up with monkshood (and she would have - based on the deleted scene where Jason McCarthy meets Ginger in the greenhouse, he is obviously a werewolf again) the symptoms would have been surpassed. If you think about that, it makes you wonder "If Brigitte DID succeed in the original, what then? Dosing eachother up until it does get unleashed?"

Goth for LIFE!

[–] freeist 11 years ago

We both agree the masturbation scene was awful, but I can't see that as being an "awakening." For one thing, she wasn't conscious when it happened. There's no such thing as an unconscious "awakening." The only thing I can think that scene would be is foreshadowing of an awakening.

Yes, Running Away would be one version of it, but not everybody who reads this has read that story. Or actually, practically none have. I'm saying the people behind the GS series missed an opportunity to make that sequel.

I'm perfectly knowledgeable that Ginger's "Oops" was sarcastic, I'm pointing out that her attitude about it had become that callous. Not all symptoms of werewolfism have been suppressed in Brigitte. Remember, she's shaving her whole body at the beginning. No, that's not a mental symptom, but it shows monkshood has not been perfect.

They didn't really have Jason "as a werewolf" at the greenhouse in the deleted scenes, as I remember. He does come to the greenhouse wanting to find her. He still looked like a person, not the semi-transformed figure that Ginger was. In an early version of the script, he does show up at the greenhouse definitely as a semi-werewolf, and he and Ginger have a brawl in a fountain, where they're both transforming as they fight. (Man, that would have been cool.) However, in that version, he never got the earlier shot of monkshood.

The reason why he showed up at the party is because he was there in that version of the script and they hadn't thought of dropping him, yet.

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[–] freeist 11 years ago

How did I make you sad? I'm puzzled. By telling you what didn't make it into the film? I didn't mean to. See your email.

[–] Morbius_Fitzgerald 11 years ago

You didn't make me sad. I never said "I am sad because the original is one of my all time favourite films and you clearly have more knowledge about it than me."(I have an excuse as to why that is the case, I first saw the trilogy from April 30th - May 2nd (one film per night - no it was not a full moon on any of the nights I first saw them) this year, you saw it sometime in 2009.)

I deleted that message, I have no idea what I meant to say.

Goth for LIFE!

[–] freeist 11 years ago

Having watched this movie again: perhaps I'm wrong. Right before the masturbation scene, Brigitte has a scene with Tyler where he takes he syringe away from her. (Now, Tyler should have been dead, but Brigitte is pacifist werewolf.) When he has her cornered, Brigitte goes languid.

Afterward, hallucinated Ginger then chides Brigitte, saying "I was shocked."

Seems to me if Brigitte had had sex before this, the Ginger hallucination wouldn't have been shocked.

So, I think the writers are pulling people's leg. The werewolf has to be Jason.

[–] Morbius_Fitzgerald 11 years ago

I hope the writers aren't saying "There was the one that infected the one that infected Ginger, going after Brigitte." If they pulled that card, this film EASILY gets a 5 instead, however to quote one of my favourite games "La shai'a waqi'on molotaq bal kollon momken", or for those who don't speak Arabic "Nothing is true, everything is permitted" meaning, the situation is all down to interpretation. I foresee 3 different options:

1. The werewolf really is Jason, the writers are just pulling a double bluff.

2. Its an older werewolf from before Ginger, yes that is the worst option.

3. Brigitte was slipped a roofie and woke up to werewolf no. 2 next to her after a night of sex.

Yes that last option is still pretty awful but considering "it came from suburbia" and the fact that Ginger seems like a mental manifestation of Brigitte's mind, this is the most likely option that the writers wanted. At times like this, I'm grateful you wrote your fanfic.

Goth for LIFE!

[–] rosepetals334 9 years ago

Think of all who got bitten by ginger and sam while in surburbia....the school janitor, Sam (the weed guy), the counselor...hell maybe jason bit some people off-camera. It is either jason, sam (if he recovered) or just some random werewolf..(maybe there were two werewolves that night, not just the one that bit ginger?)

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