Interesting Show (2/10/17) with Piers and Jeffries. - Real Time with Bill Maher (2003) Discussion

[–] ParalyzedPsycho 7 years ago

Bills message wasnt about calm down. It was about stop being offending at dumb things like Halloween costumes. The President being an unhinged moron is NOT something to be calm about. I dont think he is Hitler but the criticisms are legit and nothing said contradicts Bill message about libs being PC. You are a moron.

Piers was just a BS concern troll. Trump spent 2 years saying *beep* nonsense and insulting various groups. F8k off.

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[–] jnericsonx 7 years ago

Gotta love Jim Jeffries. He DGAF.

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[–] MGurlea 7 years ago

ParalyzedPsycho,

Holy crap dude! I'm a moron and I should fvck off. Nice! I guess since the boards are closing no one is holding back. LOL!

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[–] vastuntitled 7 years ago

Great thread!

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[–] ParalyzedPsycho 7 years ago

A$$holes like me are the reason the boards are closing man

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[–] MGurlea 7 years ago

ParalyzedPsycho,

Wait I was told it was because of crazy people like me who post stupid comments?

I do like how many people now on here are blaming each other for the boards closing. It is all rather hilarious.

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[–] MythicCDXX 7 years ago

Morgan's the only one that made any damn sense. The black chick and the gay guy tried to explain that black people and gays are the only things that matter and all they're worried about though, so i guess good for them. Trump isn't the only one out of control. Franken was meh, they plan on pinning their hopes on him in 2020, good luck with that. No mention of rolling back the horrible clinton years, that's their mistake, hopefully the greens can cash in and keep increasing their votes. Time to chuck the neoliberals out on their ass.

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[–] LiveFromNewYawk 7 years ago

I agree MGurlea. I've been saying what Piers was saying. The hysteria is undermining credibility. I felt Piers was unfairly being shot down. He's not pro- Trump by a long shot. Just practical.

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[–] FateTheMagnificent 7 years ago

Conway makes a blatant pitch for Ivankas' failing clothing line.

It looks like Flynn discussed lifting sanctions with Russian officials prior to him being anything other than a Bannon/Trump confidant.

Trump tweets false information on a daily basis which is then defended by Spicer and Conway. And some of the statements seem almost imply that the POTUS is delusional.

Trump questions the US judicial system once more, but now as POTUS.

Trump does not sever ties with his businesses, despite the proliferation of the Trump name internationally.

It's hard to say that anyone could possibly over-react to just one of these let alone all of them. The GOP would have convened committees for each one of them if it was a Clinton administration and would be stoking the fires of impeachment.

Unfortunately, he did win and his currently chosen party basically runs the entire country, so there really isn't anything to do but hope for the best.

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[–] MGurlea 7 years ago

FateTheMagnificent,

I agree with everything you said. But you can still over-react. If you watched this episode you saw it. Both Jim Jeffries and Bill Maher said give Trump time and he will start goose stepping and open death camps. That is ridiculous and an overreaction.

Just take the Flynn thing for example. What no one has mentioned is how incredibly stupid this guy obviously is. How could he not know that the Russian ambassador's phone is tapped? Plus, I am sure we know who everyone is coming and going out of the Russian embassy. How does this guy not know this? He should be fired. But just call it what it is. This guy is dumb and should be fired. Don't then go on about how this is one step away from Hitler and we will be there in a few months. That is where people lose all credibility then.

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[–] WhoToTrust 7 years ago

Morgan did exactly what Trump does.

A) - Accuse certain people of being reactive/"hysterical".
B) - Say something moronic/inflammatory to try to get reactions from the people he is accusing of being reactive/"hysterical".
C) - Portray ANY response to his moronic/inflammatory remark as proof that people are being reactive/"hysterical".

Just because people like Trump and Piers say people are being reactive/"hysterical" doesn't automatically mean those people are being reactive/"hysterical"...any more than it makes most other Trump claims any more a reflection of reality.

The fact that people like Morgan and Trump go so far out of their way to try to manufacture/spin responses to make them LOOK "hysterical" indicates a very clear intent to discredit those who don't agree with them.

Which yes, in a word, IS a "juvenile" way of people like Morgan and Trump to try to prove they're right.

Maybe the Morgans/Trumps of the world realize how transparent they're actions are and simply don't care though, because they know that there ARE a lot of Trump supporters walking around these days who either can't see through this type of manipulative BS...or simply don't WANT to see through it because what's being said coincides with their own beliefs.

Jeffries pretty much nailed it at the end though, when he pointed out that Morgan won The Apprentice and considers Trump a friend...making the personal motivation to defend Trump (and everything he's been doing) very clear.

Transparently "SAD"...

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[–] MGurlea 7 years ago

WhoToTrust,

It was good that Jeffries pointed out that Piers won The Apprentice and I guess is friends with Trump. I had no idea. I never watched The Apprentice. The middle finger was great as well. I do find that weird though given Piers stance on firearms, at least the last time I saw him speak about the topic on CNN. Piers absolutely HATED anyone who supported guns. Trump obviously does so it is surprising to me that he would like him.

I also don't need Piers or Trump to tell me people are being reactive or hysterical. I can see it with my own eyes and make up my own mind. And I saw it on that very panel. Saying that Trump will turn into Hitler soon, give him time is a perfect example. Also, I have seen other interviews with Bill Maher himself recently were he talked about "kneejerk liberals." So even Bill is talking about the hysteria on the left. It is there and it is manipulative and if you can't see this then you don't watch the news or simply don't want to see through it because what's being said coincides with your own beliefs.

P.S. Before you respond and assume I am a Trump supporter, Republican, or some right-wing nut, I'm not. I am a liberal, registered Democrat, have voted left my entire life, but like Bill Maher says, I am not afraid to call out BS on the left. Bill also pointed out how no one on the left calls out anything on their own side. They all just pat each other on the back and pander.

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[–] WhoToTrust 7 years ago

What I said was that it's one thing to call out hysteria, it's quite another to go out of your way to try to CREATE it so you can THEN point to the responses you get and CALL them "hysteria".

And if you aren't already aware that Trump has already given people LEGITIMATE cause for CONCERN all of his own doing, then anyone trying to explain it to you would do any good anyway seeing as how it's obvious you prefer to go along with the term "hysteria".

P.S. - I too am not afraid to call out BS.

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[–] MGurlea 7 years ago

WhoToTrust,

You stated,

"What I said was that it's one thing to call out hysteria, it's quite another to go out of your way to try to CREATE it so you can THEN point to the responses you get and CALL them "hysteria".

I only watched the episode once live but I guess I missed the part where Piers somehow made Jeffries and Bill make the Hitler comparisons?

You also said,

"And if you aren't already aware that Trump has already given people LEGITIMATE cause for CONCERN all of his own doing, then anyone trying to explain it to you would do any good anyway..."

Um, ya, I am aware. I obviously watch this show so how could I not be aware. I don't know how you could even come up with this assessment. Unless you are just trying to be condescending and argumentative for no reason. Legitimate cause for concern is one thing which I addressed above to another member. Just call these issues what they are, dumb, stupid, wrong, illegal, etc. and hold hearings and fire the people. When people then start freaking out and saying death camps are next after Kellyanne does an illegal commercial for Trump's daughter that is where people lose all credibility.

Finally, you said this,

"...seeing as how it's obvious you prefer to go along with the term "hysteria".

I only used the term "hysteria" because that was the term that was used in the show. People on here would know what I was referring to then. I have found you have to be very specific and explain everything or people will not have clue as to what you are talking about on here. And then still many people are clueless about what you are talking about but they will still trash you and tell you to go fvck yourself. IMDb will be missed.

Lastly,

"P.S. - I too am not afraid to call out BS."

Good. Especially if you are liberal. I just saw an interview with Bill Maher and the interviewer was saying that Bill Maher is like the only person on the left that will criticize the left. Bill's response was that people on the left only pander.

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[–] xPhenomenusx 7 years ago

Don't expect regressive leftists to be reasonable.

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[–] WhoToTrust 7 years ago

by xPhenomenusx » Don't expect regressive leftists to be reasonable.

Nice automatic dismissal based on assumption.

No (future) expectation of you being reasonable indeed.

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[–] xPhenomenusx 7 years ago

It's not based on assumption. It's based on the regressive SJW things you've said. Also calling me Einstein sarcastically because you got the meaning of a word wrong.

Better luck next time. Wanna play again?

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[–] WhoToTrust 7 years ago

You trying to label my comments "regressive SJW" doesn't automatically make them "regressive SJW" comments Einstein.

Better luck next time indeed.

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[–] MGurlea 7 years ago

xPhenomenusx,

It was definitely a weird conversation with WhoToTrust. I am done with it now. I really am bored with talking to him. I felt like he was being pedantic and trying to be argumentative.

I have not read enough of his posts (nor do I care or want to now) to know is he is a regressive leftist. But I sure do enjoy when Bill Maher calls out those people on his show. It is like their head explode, the blue screen of death comes across their face, smoke comes out of their ears and they just shut down. It like, "Does not compute."

I'm sure WhoToTrust will now say I am wrongly paraphrasing this from Bill Maher's show.

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[–] WhoToTrust 7 years ago

by MGurlea » xPhenomenusx,

It was definitely a weird conversation with WhoToTrust. I am done with it now. I really am bored with talking to him. I felt like he was being pedantic and trying to be argumentative.

I have not read enough of his posts (nor do I care or want to now) to know is he is a regressive leftist. But I sure do enjoy when Bill Maher calls out those people on his show. It is like their head explode, the blue screen of death comes across their face, smoke comes out of their ears and they just shut down. It like, "Does not compute."

I'm sure WhoToTrust will now say I am wrongly paraphrasing this from Bill Maher's show.

It's always funny when people like you don't realize the irony of calling others all those names (weird, pedantic, argumentative, regressive, etc) and claiming that THEY are shutting down because they've been "called out"...

...when you've just illustrated it's you who is shutting down after being called out...but only after you try to get in a few last passive-aggressive jabs.

Well played sir. 

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[–] WhoToTrust 7 years ago

by MGurlea » WhoToTrust,

You stated,

"What I said was that it's one thing to call out hysteria, it's quite another to go out of your way to try to CREATE it so you can THEN point to the responses you get and CALL them "hysteria".

I only watched the episode once live but I guess I missed the part where Piers somehow made Jeffries and Bill make the Hitler comparisons?

Which is beside the point that it's you and Morgan who are choosing to label such comments "hysteria"...especially since the Hitler comparisons had already been made by many historians and not just Maher and Jeffries.

Don't forget, it was the Trump administration who chose their specific wording in the first place that mirrored Hitlers at the beginning of his rise to power. Maybe that was simply historical ignorance on the part of the Trump administration, but it WAS their choice.

by MGurlea » WhoToTrust,You also said,

"And if you aren't already aware that Trump has already given people LEGITIMATE cause for CONCERN all of his own doing, then anyone trying to explain it to you would do any good anyway..."

Um, ya, I am aware. I obviously watch this show so how could I not be aware. I don't know how you could even come up with this assessment. Unless you are just trying to be condescending and argumentative for no reason. Legitimate cause for concern is one thing which I addressed above to another member. Just call these issues what they are, dumb, stupid, wrong, illegal, etc. and hold hearings and fire the people. When people then start freaking out and saying death camps are next after Kellyanne does an illegal commercial for Trump's daughter that is where people lose all credibility.

I wasn't talking about just this show. (Please see response to your first comment in this post). Maybe you thinking that's ALL I was referring to is why you don't know how I came up with the assessment that I did?

And generalizing extreme comments from people who may in fact be exhibiting undue hysteria to discount comments coming from all people who are protesting Trump is where some people lose all credibility.

by MGurlea » Finally, you said this,

"...seeing as how it's obvious you prefer to go along with the term "hysteria".

I only used the term "hysteria" because that was the term that was used in the show. People on here would know what I was referring to then. I have found you have to be very specific and explain everything or people will not have clue as to what you are talking about on here. And then still many people are clueless about what you are talking about but they will still trash you and tell you to go fvck yourself. IMDb will be missed.

Uhm, OK, but you STILL chose to go along with the term "hysteria". It's one thing to talk alot, it's another to actually say something where you're addressing what others are saying about your comments.

by MGurlea » Lastly,

"P.S. - I too am not afraid to call out BS."

Good. Especially if you are liberal. I just saw an interview with Bill Maher and the interviewer was saying that Bill Maher is like the only person on the left that will criticize the left. Bill's response was that people on the left only pander.

You do realize though that taking my comment out of context and trying to apply it to something you've obviously PARAPHRASED Maher saying really does nothing to instill credibility in your own comments...don't you?

So, back to calling out B.S.

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[–] MGurlea 7 years ago

WhoToTrust,

I am rolling my eyes at this whole last response from you. Good grief man.

You are obviously just trying to argue and be pedantic. Even after I explain things you want to still argue about word usage, put words in my mouth, and claim I am making sh!t up. Ya, no. This is just pointless at this point. Go back to harassing people on The X-Files board where I see you have quite a rep.

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[–] WhoToTrust 7 years ago

by MGurlea » WhoToTrust,

I am rolling my eyes at this whole last response from you. Good grief man.

You are obviously just trying to argue and be pedantic. Even after I explain things you want to still argue about word usage, put words in my mouth, and claim I am making sh!t up. Ya, no. This is just pointless at this point. Go back to harassing people on The X-Files board where I see you have quite a rep.

Right back at you on EVERY SINGLE point.

As I said in my other post, it's always funny when people like you don't realize the irony of calling others all those names (weird, pedantic, argumentative, regressive, etc) and claiming that THEY are shutting down because they've been "called out"...

...when you've just illustrated it's you who is shutting down after being called out...but only after you try to get in a few last passive-aggressive jabs to try to discredit those who disagree with your opinions and can counter them with facts.

Well played sir. 

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[–] xPhenomenusx 7 years ago

Point invalid because Morgan never said anything inflammatory. The guy who flipped him off and cursed him out kind of did though.

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[–] WhoToTrust 7 years ago

by xPhenomenusx » Point invalid because Morgan never said anything inflammatory. The guy who flipped him off and cursed him out kind of did though.

Whatever you say Einstein. 

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[–] xPhenomenusx 7 years ago

I know it may be hard to look up the meaning of words, but it's publicly available knowledge. Try that next time. 

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[–] WhoToTrust 7 years ago

by xPhenomenusx » I know it may be hard to look up the meaning of words, but it's publicly available knowledge. Try that next time.

You mean like the FACT that historians have already been making comparisons to Trumps/Bannons rhetoric to that of Hitler?

Try informing yourself next time.

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[–] evanmang87 7 years ago

I feel like Jeffries played right into the type of caricature Piers was talking about. Nothing that Piers said was unreasonable or offensive and Jeffries exploded at him and ended it by giving him the 1 finger salute.

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[–] tuffysmom 7 years ago

Except that Piers kept interrupting the others and talking over them . . .

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[–] LiveFromNewYawk 7 years ago

Bill tends to do that too. I was curious as to what Piers said that provoked "hysteria". I'm not a fan of his but he kept his composure and remained very calm - I didn't agree with EVERYTHING he said but he did make some valid practical points. Jeffries can be funny but he became immature with the name calling and flipping of the middle finger. When people lose their cool, they lose the fight. Jeffries' message will most likely not be remembered as much as his behavior.

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[–] MGurlea 7 years ago

LiveFromNewYawk,

"I was curious as to what Piers said that provoked "hysteria"."

You will have ask WhoToTrust above in this very thread. He also makes this claim.

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[–] WhoToTrust 7 years ago

by LiveFromNewYawk » Bill tends to do that too. I was curious as to what Piers said that provoked "hysteria". I'm not a fan of his but he kept his composure and remained very calm - I didn't agree with EVERYTHING he said but he did make some valid practical points. Jeffries can be funny but he became immature with the name calling and flipping of the middle finger. When people lose their cool, they lose the fight. Jeffries' message will most likely not be remembered as much as his behavior.

As I explained earlier in this thread (and which MGurlea obviously didn't understand), Morgan SAYING Jeffries responses amounted to "hysteria" doesn't automatically mean that Jeffries responses amounted to "hysteria".

That is obviously how Morgan WANTED Jeffries response to be viewed (in the same way that MGurlea obviously wants MY responses to be viewed negatively), but Jeffries was simply stating a fact that Trumps rhetoric and actions since he's been in office have been VERY similar to that of Hitlers early in his rise to power.

That Morgan was obviously refusing to acknowledge the parallels is what Jeffries was raising his voice to...well...that...and the fact that Morgan was trying to portray Jeffries as losing his audience (in an attempt to discredit what he was suggesting)...when Jeffries and the audience proved that was an obvious falsehood on Morgans part.

And lastly, the idea that Morgan was keeping his composure and remaining calm throughout the entire discussion is also a matter of opinion, seeing as how he was continually raising his voice to try to talk over and/or through others who were voicing opposing opinions.

In that regard, Jeffries flipping the middle finger was a clear sign that he HAD NOT lost his exchange (or his cool) with Morgan despite Morgan trying to suggest otherwise, and I would be willing to bet that the behavior the audience and most people who watch that video will remember Jeffries for is the same as I've just said, meaning that his message about Trump will be remembered the same way too.

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[–] Druffmaul 7 years ago

Defending Trump's presidency to any degree is unreasonable and offensive to many of us.

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[–] WhoToTrust 7 years ago

by Druffmaul » Defending Trump's presidency to any degree is unreasonable and offensive to many of us.

And in that regard, Piers Morgan was the perfect messenger.

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[–] Mickyfinn 7 years ago

In a quote/unquote 'normal' situation, labeling some of what we are seeing now hysteria may not be far off the mark. However, what we have currently going in is anything but normal. There aren't enough hours in the day to list the insanity that is in the White House right now.

Bill made a great point that was lost. If Clinton would have won, the right would have begun the impeachment process already, even with no FN idea what they would base it on.

I see news article questioning whether late night TV comedy is taking it too far. And although the news is reporting every dumb thing His Orangeness does, they still are letting Conway, Spicer, and that punybrain that Stephenoplolis had on Sunday get away with complete dodges and lying. I am for SNL, Colbert, and Meyers having their nightly Trump segment. If he is willing to give them all the material by tweeting like a 12 year old schoolgirl every day, he is fair game for them.

You just have to be resigned-
You're crashing by design

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