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Why do people say African-American?


Why do people say African-American? Why isn't it just black?

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and yet, some people (Black) don't mind the word Black, so it's inaccurate to contrast "some" Black people who are offended with the belief that all white people don't mind being called white.

There are Americans who are Jewish who use the term Jewish-American, yet not all Jews who are American use that term, let alone the term Jewish.

Why does it bother you if some Black people pefer the term African-American?


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No.

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I'm trying to figure out how it hurts or matters to anyone to refer to "black" people as African-Americans? Also, if "white" people don't seem to be caught up on it, what does that have to do with black/African-Americans?

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Since there is no longer anyone here with that title, and we have several deleted posts, I think you can pretty well deduce what you were racially dealing with.

Heck, look at the name. 'biggamer' -- That's a title generally applied to describe the great white hunter, in search of big game.

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I stand corrected and hurriedly edit my original post without cowardly deleting what I had said; I now see biggamer was the initial poster and that post hasn't been deleted.

My insinuating words may now be construed as foolish, but I won't remove them.

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Not all black people agree with the terminology of African-American, whether it is right or wrong. Not all black people (at the moment, I use black because it is what I say, and because the word is shorter for typing) see it as necessary.

It was a select few who decided that AA was more appropriate.

If nothing else this need to be categorized as such is derived, again, from the N-word, which was literally used to demoralize people, as tho they were ashamed of having their race discussed around them.

What white people wish to be called has nothing to do with it, and that is another point. Just because blacks want a more appropriate titling to their heritage, race or culture, doesn't mean Whites have to do the same.

I've been told oriental is now inappropriate and that Asian or Asian-American is more accurate, depending on the origin, apparently (and I was told in a most condescending manner, as well). I guess persons of this type can trace their heritage a bit better and be more precise; Korean-American, Chinese-American, Japanese-American, and so on.

Since most American blacks can't trace their heritage back to a mother country, they rely on the entire continent, but again, not all black persons see any need for such recognition like this.

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i agree richard fuller

in the '50's it was negro on the job application v. white or others.
in the '60's the term 'black' was formed by blacks to take ownership of their existance and drop 'negro' as a derivative of the N-word.

in the '70's, like you said some blacks viewed 'black' as negative connotations thus coming up w/ african-american to celebrate both cultures

but not all blacks have any and don't want any ties w/ africa and black was fine w/ them.

basically i'm tried of the whole thing and just want to be an american. black and white should only be used if the police is looking for you: "ehh, he was a white guy w/ blue eyes, blonde hair, and tore-out jeans." hahaha

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That's because White is Right. No seriously, I am old enough to recall black people as Negroes. The term black rose in the late 1960s and was supposed to be a step up. By the 1970s, "Black is Beautiful" was the official saying. This hard to write and harder to pronounce African American is strictly a PC term. It's all about image and self-confidence.

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it;s because black unlike white is equated with evil and death. so african american seems better by comparson. however there are many african americans taht prefer black because they weren't born there. it depends on the person everyone is differnt. futher more some black folk like to be called a person of color, which sounds to much like colored people to me. i don't think that there are to many people that will get that upset with you if you use any of these terms. just don't call us *beep* and i think that everything will be allright.

edit: it is important for us to have something to decribes us. african-american is a word that shows that we are differnt but we are all americans.

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but all around the world, in other cultures and in other languages, they use 'black' as standard terminology. saying african american is something that came up just in this country, and recently, at that.

so, what do you call a black guy in france? african-french?

what do you call a black guy in germany? african-german?

what do you call a black guy in canada? african-canadian?



the term african american is totally pointless and only used in a place like america, where the popular mindset is STUPID enough to go along with politically correct bullies.



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Boss Tees wrote: Some people are offended by being referred to as “Black” for whatever reason so African American is being used instead. Oddly enough Caucasians are still referred to as being “white’ and don’t seem to caught up on the whole thing.
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"White" really doesn't have a negative connotation. That's is why we do not get "caught up on the whole thing." Moreover, we are the ones really doing the naming of different phenotypic groups when it really isn't any of our business. It takes a racist mind to write something as cruel as your post which incidently doesn't have anything to do with the movie. I feel sorry for you.

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What does this have to do with the movie?

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"Why do people say African-American? Why isn't it just black?"

Because we as a people, as human beings, are far more than just a color.
For decades whites degraded our cause and existence with such terms as "coloreds".

I'd like to think we deserve more recognition that this.
I'd also like to think "white people" deserve more as well.

This race-war the two groups are engaged in is so pointless.

As for the brand "African American" it perfectly defines our roots just as properly as someone claiming to be of Irish-American heritage.

Same concept, same result.


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Question - -

While still in the womb, what self-identifying trait first marks your beginning?

a) The racial makeup of the mother who carries you

b) The geographical location of the mother who carries you

Of course, the answer would be "a"

Since it is in-fact our blood aka hertiage that assigns an individual his or her race.

With this said, how can you rightfully take away the very thing from which defines a person's ancestral creation?

What country (which only defines my nationality) we're eventually born in at the time of birth has absolutely nothing to do with this connect.

You can't simply stop, then start a bloodline due to location.

This blueprint is forever.

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I like what you you've said Kyle.

I believe in the UK, they just say black, not African-English or such. Which just makes me wonder why it's so important to say African-American in America. I don't see why we can't just go by black and white. I don't see anything offensive about either of the terms. I don't think it's a matter of stripping people of their roots. I mean, if that were the case, then it would apply to the Irish and the English and German etc. as well. It's like saying, "By merely referring to me as an American, you are stripping me of my English heritage."

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but there are people that call themselves irish-americans or chinese-american, why should african-americans be difernta in this regard?

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The term that should be used is Black. I realize that it's not acturate (very few people are truly black or white) but it's used to identify the race of who you're talking about.

Remember when you use the term African-American, what you're trying to do is identify what race (another inaccurate term - the only race there is, is the human race, not color, but anyway...) someone is, not what country they're from.

Even the term African refers to a continent, not a country. Irish-American, Chinese-American refer to the country they're from not the whole freakin' continent.

We don't really care about the country someone is from - we're usually talking about the race they are. Try to think of a time when you use the term African-American and you're NOT referring to the person race.

Danny Glover and Charlize Theron are both African-American?!?

She's white he's black.

Enough of the P.C. Bulls#@t!

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On that topic (Charlize), we're on the same page!

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the term should be african american. because there are other dark skined people that are not african american. by your logic we should call all dark skined latinos black, light skinned ones white. that would negate their culture. you seems to just want to see everything for face value.

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The term that should be used is Black. I realize that it's not acturate (very few people are truly black or white) but it's used to identify the race of who you're talking about.

Remember when you use the term African-American, what you're trying to do is identify what race (another inaccurate term - the only race there is, is the human race, not color, but anyway...) someone is, not what country they're from.

Even the term African refers to a continent, not a country. Irish-American, Chinese-American refer to the country they're from not the whole freakin' continent.

We don't really care about the country someone is from - we're usually talking about the race they are. Try to think of a time when you use the term African-American and you're NOT referring to the person race.

Danny Glover and Charlize Theron are both African-American?!?

She's white he's black.

Enough of the P.C. Bulls#@t!

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Okay. What exactly are you try to say? First you state that there is only "the human race, not color" then you contradict that statement and say "she's white he's black." I do not get it at all. If there are two nonsensical, nonscientific, political, arbitrary terms "black" and "white" would be the two! Every time I hear this agrument, I see racism at it best (sarcasm). The only difference between homo spaiens is phenotypical. To illustrate the preposterous subscription to "black and white," what "color" are Asian Americans and Native Americans? By yellow-beige and redish-brown? How stupid does that sound?! LOL! I never hear "white" people gripe about that. Yet, when it comes to the descendants of the most unapologentic-evil part of our modern world, slavery, they cannot choose their own identity in the concept of America. Yes, there are Africans of different phenotypes, however, if the majority of African Americans had the luxury to know their lineage, maybe you would not be so offended. I think you should stop the political diatribe.

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I don't see why we can't just go by black and white

I am longing for the day we are all just called people.

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However, African-American (although I use the word black) is not a race. It is an ethnicity, and there is a difference.

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"is not a race"...right, because to be African is a culture?

Try telling that to the millions of people victimized through the process of "ethnic" cleansing...I'm sure their "race" and not culture had plenty to do with their not being here now.

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To add more to the pot, there is only one race, human, until you're black - at that point you are not human, you are the color of your skin. So, this discussion can go on and on and on (bring on the energizer bunny.) We are not prepared, particularly in the U.S., to deal with what to call ourselves. It would mean that many would have to look at their privilege and subsequently the oppression that continues, and the oppression that they enable. Really, talking about words doesn't matter. It's an exercise in semantics.

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it's just easier to say black and white, why it really matters i dont know. Also african-american is kinda dumb to say, because then you're generalizing that all black people are from africa.

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"Why do people say African-American? Why isn't it just black?"

Because we as a people, as human beings, are far more than just a color.
For decades whites degraded our cause and existence with such terms as "coloreds".

I'd like to think we deserve more recognition that this.
I'd also like to think "white people" deserve more as well.

This race-war the two groups are engaged in is so pointless.

As for the brand "African American" it perfectly defines our roots just as properly as someone claiming to be of Irish-American heritage.

Same concept, same result.

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around the world, in other places, it is FINE to say black. no problem.... they say black in whatever language they use.

what do you call a black guy in france? african-french?

what do you call a black guy in germany? african-german?

what do you call a black guy in canada? african-canadian?



the term african american is totally pointless and only used in a place like america, where the popular mindset is STUPID enough to go along with politically correct bullies.


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My question is, why does it matter?

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In a perfect non-racist world it wouldn't.

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It's a terminology thing. To counter the diabolical n-word categorizing. And it is an American behavior, but then other countries, as someone noted, in England they simply say Black, this is because England didn't have the black slave issue as America did.

It is our history, not their's. Canadians seems rather befuddled by the whole race thing as well.

You can watch programs from the early seventies, such as Sanford and Son, and they will say 'colored'.

NAACP; the C stands for 'colored' so that was the term when this organization came into existence.

And no, not ALL black people care for being called African-Americans.

And I use black because persons I associate with really don't care for the African-American title, as they feel no direct connection to Africa. Slavery eradicated much of this, if not all of it.

A movie called "Forever Young, Forever Free" with Jose Ferrer and Karen Valentine, and a song sung by Bernadette Peters, has a moment in the film where a small African boy, who doesn't speak English, is lost in New York city.

Two cops, one black and one white, hear on the radio what his nationality is, Swahili, the boy was from Kenya or somewhere.

The white cop asks the black cop if he can speak that language. The black cop says he doesn't even know where the country is.

This movie was from 1976.

As to white people who prefer white or Caucasian or Irish-American or Italian-American, their history and roots weren't damaged based on personal racial discrimination.

If they were discriminated against, they were allowed to leave and enter through Ellis Island to America, so that preference in labeling is slightly diverse.

As to how effective it all is, two examples: Lenny Kravitz and Tiger Woods.

Kravitz is half-Jewish. Is he called a Jewish-American? Is he seen as a Jewish-American?

ABC Newswoman Carole Simpson said about Tiger Woods, who was trying to call himself 'cablinasian' referring to all his racial heritage, "when he tries to get a cab in new York city, he will find himself cabless."

Poor joke, but her point was that he is still regarded as Black. Can he fairly be called African-American with just as much white and Asian heritage?

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It still doesn't seem to make sense to encourage improper terminology because black people had their heritages taken away in the times of slavery.

There shouldn't have to be a reason, it's just incorrect usage.


If they were discriminated against, they were allowed to leave and enter through Ellis Island to America, so that preference in labeling is slightly diverse.

I don't understand what you are saying here. First of all, Irish immigrants were very much discriminated against when they first arrived in America.

And at an rate, just as an Irish-American could use Ellis Island to return back to Ireland -if that's what you are saying- the "African-Americans" could have gone back to Africa when slavery was abolished. Many of them chose to stay.

The point is that the term "African-American" in its current usage is technically incorrect. There's nothing racist about making this distinction either.

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The terminology isn't improper, it is the only connection to their history that they can observe, because there were no records kept of slaves as to where they had come from.

Charlize Theron is from South Africa. If she marries an American and they raise a child here, by this definition, that child will be able to say he or she is African-American.

British actor Sidney James of the Carry On movies, I believe was also born in Africa, South Africa, probably. Again, same deal. If he had kids, they were with a British woman, I assume, but then the UK doesn't toil with these labels.

Clearly these persons who are black aren't from Sweden or Switzerland or Germany. They don't know if they have ancestry in Swahili, Kenya or what country, so they can only rely on the continent as that reference.

Now as I said in another post, not all black persons care for this titling. But they see nothing wrong with it, and I for one, don't either.

In truth, we can only speak for ourselves. We don't know what is going thru the heart and mind of a black person. A white person can have a great-grandparent from Scotland and still recognize that heritage.

A black person may have the same feelings too. Again, not all of them, but why is it so wonderful for white people to focus on their heritage and where they came from but black people do it, and it is inappropriate and incorrect?

As to Ellis Island, more than just Irish came thru there, so I don't know why you only referred to them.

And yes, there was Irish discrimination, both here and abroad.

Alex Haley traced his family history back seven generations. How many black people who have been in this country for seven generations are going to have something or anything to go back to in Africa?

Leave an Irishman in America, with no connection to his native land for seven-plus generations (some do go back further than Haley's), and then send them back to Ireland and see how connected they feel?

Contradicting now, you say? No. Again, I'm not saying ALL Irish will feel this way after several generations just like not ALL blacks will feel this way.

Many blacks have gone to other countries. Many left during the 1960s, finding better chances and opportunities in Europe and elsewhere. Europe, which has nothing to do with their African roots, and they were better treated.

Many blacks didn't choose to stay, either they couldnt afford to leave, or as I noted, there were those who did leave America's racism.

And as to blacks who may have left America after slavery was abolished, I'm sure there were some, but Im not aware of the figures. Are you?



Basically only those who seek to recognize their heritage in such a way, the heritage that was deprived of them, really refer to themselves as African-Americans.

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The terminology isn't improper, it is the only connection to their history that they can observe, because there were no records kept of slaves as to where they had come from.

The thing is that the terminology is LITERALLY improper.

Your argument would be relevant if I was saying that "African-American" is wrong because the "proper terms" should be like: "Algerian-American" or "Ethiopian-American." If I had said THIS, than you would be correct, because obviously many people do not know from which country in Africa their blood line originated. I let this discrepancy be.

What I AM saying is that if a person didn't literally emigrate from Africa to America - meaning they were born in America - then they are therefore "American" NOT "African-American."

The "missing heritage" argument does not work here. The proper title for an American-born black person is not African-American, in the same way that an American-born German person isn't German-American. Remember, your argument only holds water if I were nitpicking about the fact that Africa is a continent and not a country, which I am not.

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jm110: "The "missing heritage" argument does not work here. The proper title for an American-born black person is not African-American, in the same way that an American-born German person isn't German-American. Remember, your argument only holds water if I were nitpicking about the fact that Africa is a continent and not a country, which I am not."
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Number one, to quote Mommiedearest Joan Crawford, it takes two to argue, and I'm not arguing.

Number two, a person of German descent, even if it is a grandparent or great-grandparent, can still regard himself by his German heritage. That is all the African-American application is seeking to do, and has sought to do; give persons a bit more recognition of their heritage.

Not ALL black people care for the title, for the very reasons that you said. It is simply a title to use of their own, rather than use white people's categorizing of negro, colored or black.

there have even been attempts to spell black in a racial sense with a capital B. I have done it at times in the past, and obviously here I am not.

No one has complained or accused me of racism.

When I speak, I use black and white as they are the easiest terms to use.

If someone wished to call themselves African-American, I would have no problem with that. I don't think I have ever met a person who CHOSE to be called African-American.

Must just be the group of people I associate with.

Nor have I ever met a white person who feels the need to use this terminology if they were to refer to someone who is non-white, to endorse some sort of political correctness.

I work with a fellow who has an obvious French-sounding name. Another person (if it matters, this second fellow was AFRICAN-AMERICAN, or Black, if you will) noticed that the first guy, PIerre, had very curly hair.

The second guy, Darnell, concluded the guy must be of Cajun descent, from Louisiana, because of his curly hair.

I, who am not familiar with this heritage possessing curly hair, said I didnt' know. We tried to ask Pierre was he of French descent, and he responded with that he was American.

No harm done. People like to recognize other cultures and heritages, as well as their own.

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I didn't mean "argument" as in "altercation" but rather as in "reasoning" or "grounds" or "debate" etc.

And yes, a person of German descent has every right to say, "I am of German descent" and a black person has every right to say, "I am of African descent." But the key word here is "descent."

Simply, using the term African-American to refer to a present American-born person is just logically incorrect. Like how "Ameriken" is not the correct way to spell "American."

I get what you're saying, and it's right to a point. If people want to refer to themselves as such, that's fine I guess. I am just saying that's technically not the correct use of the term. It doesn't make any sense.

I feel like we're not even debating here, because I agree with what you say. My point is specifically that it's unfortunate that it has to be this way at all.

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Look back over the posts. Someone has already said that he was Italian, and asked if that makes him African-American, because Italians are supposed to be black.

Now this then leads to the conclusion (until and unless he specifies otherwise) that he must be American by birth.

If that is the case, he referred to himself as Italian. Not Italian-American (tho again, we can conclude he is American by birth, as he didn't ask if he was African, but African-AMERICAN) but he didn't say simply that he was American.

A Black person doesn't have a distinctive nationality to connect themselves to by ancestry, so the easiest way to do it is connect to the mother continent: Africa.

You run into the same thing if you try to identify the native descendants of North America.

They aren't native American, they aren't Amerind (I've always disliked that term), the correct titling is their native tribes.

Some people, but not ALL people, like making identifications like this. People like making distinctions such as this.

If Lucie Arnaz and Desi Arnaz Jr refer to themselves as Cuban-American or Latin-American, no harm is done.

Look at all the identification that Freddie Prinze Jr does; Hungo-Rican.

Why is it so questionable if a black person makes some connection to Africa?

Simply because they havent even been to Africa, it isn't right?

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"NAACP; the C stands for 'colored' so that was the term when this organization came into existence. "

Actually the word colored was used because the NAACP want to support all people of color - i.e. those not white.

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austynburton: "Actually the word colored was used because the NAACP want to support all people of color - i.e. those not white."
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Nevertheless at the time of the recognition of the NAACP, the C stood for 'colored' which was used in reference to black/African-Americans.

Mexicans, Asians, East Indians, American Indians, none of these referred to themselves as colored and falling under the guidance of the NAACP.

Also worth noting, an episode of good ol' "Sanford and Son".

Fred had witnessed a robbery or hold up and was being interrogated by the police.

The white officer asked about the crooks, "Were they colored?"

"Yea," Fred says, "white."

We could find problems with racial distinctions all throughout history like this.

White is a color. The least used crayola in the box, to quote Penny Marshall, but a color nontheless.

If anything, referring to 'AFrican-Americans' as 'colored' at one time in American history should have been insulting to Caucasians, as the insuation then is that our personalities and depths are 'colorless'.

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what does that have to do with this movie?

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Why aren't African-Americans, Irish-Americans, Hispanic-Americans just called Americans? Why the seperation??

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I am aware of the racism, but do you really think giving everyone a different labelwill help things? How many 'African Americans' have actually been to Africa? I spent a few years there. My familt is from ireland, and I am English, but I am not irish-English, I am just English.

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Applying African to African-American have nothing to do with how many AA been to Africa. Its an identity for our ancestors whos original homeland was Africa. Its our way of connecting to a culture we werent not given the opportunity to learn about. But I do agree with you about applying it all the same. No matter how many names we give ourselves African-Americans will always be Americans first and last.

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...but that is my point... How many have actually taken any form of African culture. The 'African-American' culture is a culture all of it's own. It has little or nothing to do with Africa.

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I have seen several post that refer to Swahili as a COUNTRY like Kenya or Nigeria. It is not a country, tt is a LANGUAGE spoken across a number of African countries (it originated in East Africa). So no one is fron SWALHILI.

As if it matters ... I'm African-American, I don't mind being referred to as black. I've noticed that white people make much more of a big deal about the whole name thing than most blacks do.

To answer one poster's question, yes, I have been to Africa although that has nothing to do with it.

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andy_mc24, I doubt you will fully understand what I am trying to convey to you because you can identify your irish heritage. Africa is one big continent with a vast array of different countries. As a result of not being able to identify the exact location of our origin, we just take the term African American to cover the whole region b/c we know at least one of the countries is where our ancestors came from. You do not have this same identity crisis that we do so you wont be able to relate.

Also if you look at our singing style (not rap but r&b, jazz, blues, and gospel) you will see a large number of similarities between that music's style, timbre, and beat and africa's music. I learned this revelation in my music culture class. You can also find a huge similarity in our dancing which you can view in a movie called "Rize".

You are absolutely rite when you call AA culture a culture all on its own but the influence of that culture dates back to our African ancestors. Though we havent grew up there or know the peopole extensively, the ties have never been broken completely. We carry their genes, looks (somewhat, all that mixing has diluted it a bit), and heritage.

I hope I was able to clear up your inquiry. If not let me know I will try again.

P.S I dont mind being called black or AA, as long as Im not called N*****. :-)(and rap is not an exception!!!!)

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No, we retain a lot of African heritage in our culture--through our music,food, the way we celebrate our lives,o our hair,all of that---we didn't come to America out of a vacuum--we did come from somewhere else,just like most Americans---only difference being that we were FORCED to come here, and since different tribes from different African countries were all thrown together, and since they weren't taught to read/write, and had NO chance in hell of seeing their original homelands again,family ties were broken and lost. Which is why until recently, it was said that it was easier for a black person to trace the history of a piece of furniture than it was to trace their own family tree.

And we call ourselves (okay,SOME of us,not all of us) African-Americans to honor our roots/where we came from, and where we are now. That's all that's about. We could care less what white folks think about it because it's something for us and ABOUT us,plain and simple,and it's a matter being proud of our heritage and culture.

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<My familt is from ireland, and I am English, but I am not irish-English, I am just English.>

Stop making sense. It's seldom appreciated.

The majority of my ancestors were from Ireland. I was born in the U.S. I have no connection to ireland (I don't have anything against Ireland, either)but I'm an American.

We are told - falsely, I think - that we must celebrate "Our Heritage," which is assigned by whatever country our ancestors came from. That is ridiculous. If black Americans want to associate themselves with a continent in which genital mutilation of young girls is still practiced, they can be my guest. They can't pick and choose their notion of what "African" means.

And I really don't have any connection with Ireland. Why in the world would I?

I never saw the point of ,well, *pointing* to the achievements of people with my complexion, if only because I had nothing to do with those achievements.

I honestly wish we would all get out of the futile "feelings-oriented" approach and adopt a "let me see what I can PERSONALLY achieve" approach.


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andy mc 24 wrote: "Why aren't African-Americans, Irish-Americans, Hispanic-Americans just called Americans? Why the seperation??"

Totally agreed.

I think, calling black people African Americans benefits seperation rather than integration. Because it tells black people: "You might have an american passport, but still you are African-Americans", which at least sounds like: "half African, half American." Semantically this makes no sense, unless you just immigrated from Africa to America.
As a musician, I work with a negroid singer from London, who calls herself "black" and me "white". This is, considered on a general level, not quite correct as well. Because I am not white, but tending to have some pinkish skin and her´s is rather dark ebony. But finding the unobjectionable part of the colour scale for our skins, would be exhausting. So we call each other black and white, or, more frequently "dark" and "less dark". Because, well, she´s darker than me, has more black in the blend of her skin colour, and that´s it. Why denying something, that anyone can see? She is darker than me. Period.
Or maybe it is the association: Black/dark represents evil, whereas white/(the) light stands for the redemption/divnine? No, no, three times no! In more than one mythology the dark principle is the vulva and womb, the cryptic mother nature, which gave birth to us all. And the light principle is the sun, which makes the seeds grow. So why can´t we just cope with those both colours as mythologies did and do? Not in the sense of esoteric principles, but as principles of the correspnonding, badly 'flawful' phenomena: Mankind.

And if there were the obsession, that I could be a bloomy esoteric babe, who knows a whole lot of nutting about racism - I´m german, and it´s still going on over here.




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I'de just like to point out that pretty much -every- human is thought to originate in africa, so uh..If your black and your in america your a black american. Just like if your white, and in america, your a white american. I'de also hate to break it to you but DNA evidence has shown that alot of black people are actually mostly white, due to master/slave breeding long ago.

You cant just call yourself african american, because hell, everyone originated from the african (as well as asian) countries. We were all monkeys once, and we were all probably black once.

Also just a little question to let this sink in. If you move from england (I suppose this would make you english) and took up permanent residence in canada. What would you be called? (Hmm lets see, the awnser is CANADIAN). Same thing if you moved from France to the United States, you'de be called an AMERICAN.


Oh, and a point on that little slavery thing. You do realise that there have been alot of races, from asian all the way to white and black that have been enslaved? And i'de hate to break it to you, it was ALOT longer than the blacks in america were enslaved. No one is special, everyone is exactly the same other than there skin. Just about every race has gone through some sort of harshness in the past.

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You are rite about there being little connection to our African ancestors due to master/slave breeding (as I pointed out in my last post which I think you missed). My POINT is as to why we call ourselves AA. It doesn't matter to me if I'm called black, american, or AA. I wanted to clear up why we call ourselves that name.

AND as I posted in my last post previous before the last one....I am first and last an American no matter what other title is used.

And to your point on slavery I am well aware that many other races have been enslaved. So you didnt break nothing to me. I never pointed my own people out personally. We are discussing the title of AA so I am covering that topic only. I did not go anywhere near the topic of enslavement. YOU took this to a new direction on your own.

SO before you attack someone know ur facts and understand what is being said.

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so, egyptians are african american too, right? so if you're black and you say you're african american, how do I know if you're from egypt, or the congo? oh god, it's so confusing, I'm glad I'm italian. which, I suppose makes me a little bit black, too. so am I part african american? and if so, what part of africa?

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ztmike: "so, egyptians are african american too, right? so if you're black and you say you're african american, how do I know if you're from egypt, or the congo? oh god, it's so confusing, I'm glad I'm italian. which, I suppose makes me a little bit black, too. so am I part african american? and if so, what part of africa?"
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I never have understood the stuff about Italians being Black.

If you are Italian and that made you part African-American, then we are to conclude you are in America and not Italy, correct?

Yet you said you were Italian. Are you Italian by birth or by heritage?

Either way, then you prove why some people (not ALL people) adopt and use the term African-American to signify their heritage.

If you are Italian by birth or by heritage, you nevertheless said you were Italian. You still reflect on your ancestry.

This is what black people want to do when they say they are African-American.

And you can be of Irish descent and have never been to Ireland, or be of Swiss descent and have never been to Switzerland, yet you can still recognize your heritage.

African-Americans do not have this, so what harm is there in this titling?

If African-American is not accurate enough, then someone needs to think of what would be?

"American?"

To recognize their ancestry, their roots, their heritage, their culture from another country, another land, as those of immigrant backgrounds or voyagers on the Mayflower have always been able to do.

What term will apply? 'American' doesnt cover it.

They want to recognize the slave in their history that had to be brought to this land of freedom. That slave wasn't regarded as an American.

So what word do we recommend, people?

Slave-American?

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Brantano: "I'de just like to point out that pretty much -every- human is thought to originate in africa, so uh..If your black and your in america your a black american. Just like if your white, and in america, your a white american. I'de also hate to break it to you but DNA evidence has shown that alot of black people are actually mostly white, due to master/slave breeding long ago.

You cant just call yourself african american, because hell, everyone originated from the african (as well as asian) countries. We were all monkeys once, and we were all probably black once.

Also just a little question to let this sink in. If you move from england (I suppose this would make you english) and took up permanent residence in canada. What would you be called? (Hmm lets see, the awnser is CANADIAN). Same thing if you moved from France to the United States, you'de be called an AMERICAN.


Oh, and a point on that little slavery thing. You do realise that there have been alot of races, from asian all the way to white and black that have been enslaved? And i'de hate to break it to you, it was ALOT longer than the blacks in america were enslaved. No one is special, everyone is exactly the same other than there skin. Just about every race has gone through some sort of harshness in the past."
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Your wording leaves much to be desired.

I did not originate in Africa. The first human beings did.

I have never been a monkey. This is Darwinism. If I were to believe these theories, then it would be that my ancestry was a monkey.

As to black people being 'mostly white' this is why persons of these hues find it disagreeable to be labeled 'black'. they are not all the same shade. Alex Hailey is not the same shade as Sidney Poitier, who isn't the same shade as Halle Berry.

As to their being 'mostly white', it is white people who won't recognize this heritage, not blacks. This is why generally these 'mostly white' people tend to be more accepted in black crowds.

Whites only accept them as passable tokens.

Surely you don't think you are opening anyone's eyes with that declaration about other races being enslaved?

Clearly we are dealing with a different reaction to being enslaved, to gaining freedom and still being discriminated against where black is concerned or where Chinese or Jews are concerned.

The reactions haven't been the same, have they?

As to the person from England moving to America, I can answer this one very easily. In the numerous instances I am familiar with, they were never regarded as Americans. Several of them are brides from WWII American soldiers.

They are still very English. They can give up their citizenships, never return to England again to visit family. Fella, it doesn't matter.

A document may regard them as American, but in casual conversation, they still get "where are you from originally?"

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WOW, lots of good stuff to talk about, a lot of crap too. I think the question was just raised out of curiousity; not meant for it to get into a heated discussion. I've often wondered about that question for a while, but didn't ask it because of responses much like those posted. It's such a forbidden topic that people can't even ask question out of curiosity anymore; if someone brings it up, it automatically must be that it's meant to be mean/racist/etc...

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You're rite it shouldnt have become a heated discussion but some idiot decided to butt in my on-going convo with andy so i had to ck him. I don't find it forbidden at all its a very good topic to discuss. I dont think anyone who asks me about it is racist, mean, etc...just curious.

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People say African-American out of respect I believe. "Afro-American" is lazy and lacks respect. "Black" is inacurrate and is a springboard for ridicule (I'm personally fine with it). Historically people have always associated "white" with purity and "black" as its opposite so there lies the trouble in "black". Also "Jew" is a lazy term and lacks respect. Is it much trouble to add the extra sylable to say "Jewish"? It takes alot to say fully say "African-American" whether you're black, white, etc so it hard to have a disrespectful tone without being obviously biggotted.

I believe human nature is basically evil and that people have to learn compassion and respect. One of reasons I think God does not get involved but allows people to set their own fate.

Why whites don't have a problem with "white"?? Maybe in a race of races they have already won. Wouldn't you just fall out and laugh if a black person called you a "honkey"? Slavery exsisted for the benefit of future generations of whites. If not, slavery should not have been slavery but rather a business of labor where Africans would have been paid directly. Blacks also would not have been killed for being educated. History is the burden whites must carry so I don't think its much effort to simply say "African-American".

The oppressors have not been cured of their God-complex in a mere 40 year period.


"I'm not red or white or black I'm brown.... from the Boogie Down (Bronx)..." - My Philosophy by KRS-One/Boogie Down Productions

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authorNYSE: "The oppressors have not been cured of their God-complex in a mere 40 year period."
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So what would 'cure' that so-called comlex? Taking all the white man's money and worldly goods and giving it all to blacks?

dividing those worldly goods fifty-fifty?

Making whites the slaves and blacks the masters?

None of this would solve anything.

Back when schools were integrating, the opinion was that only education could overcome racism.

Yet suddenly, if someone white says 'It's because they're black' then they have to be fired, dismissed, explain themselves, sweep them under the rug, act like they never existed, booed, hissed at.

Is this education?

Well, actually it is pretty close to what I got in public schooling, now that I think about it.

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Kinda stupid suggestions there Richard..... Would all the monitary compensation in the world given to Holocaust survivors cure the Nazi German perpetrators of their brainwashed God-complex? Of course, no becuase money given to victims does not cure the psychosis of the culprit. Neither would decreasing the culprit's net worth.

If some other black person before me has answered your questions with non-sense please don't think we all share that opinion. As far as those other sugestions... I think they fall under the catagory of "Two wrongs don't make it right". Getting even doesn't solve anything either. My suggestion.... stop with the God-complex, people are people. My statement still holds true.

"The oppressors have not been cured of their God-complex in a mere 40 year period."

Really wish you would have sent me a private msg as this reply of yours does not fit the thread topic.

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authorNYSE: "Kinda stupid suggestions there Richard..... Would all the monitary compensation in the world given to Holocaust survivors cure the Nazi German perpetrators of their brainwashed God-complex? Of course, no becuase money given to victims does not cure the psychosis of the culprit. Neither would decreasing the culprit's net worth.

If some other black person before me has answered your questions with non-sense please don't think we all share that opinion. As far as those other sugestions... I think they fall under the catagory of "Two wrongs don't make it right". Getting even doesn't solve anything either. My suggestion.... stop with the God-complex, people are people. My statement still holds true.

"The oppressors have not been cured of their God-complex in a mere 40 year period."

Really wish you would have sent me a private msg as this reply of yours does not fit the thread topic."
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If I had any inclination to privately email you before, I certainly am glad I didnt.

You make accusations and insinuations about so-called oppressors not being 'cured' and then offer no solution.

Stop the complex? Identify the carriers first.

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I welcome these discussions usually but see with it get nowhere.... If each and every "so-called" oppressor cannot be identified then common decency cannot be achieved? Rich do you really think after 400 plus years of this ideology that it died in '69? I don't because I see it day in and out that playing field is not level. Is it getting there? Yes, slowly but surely. ETA? Well beyond our lifetime...... is this ETA acceptable? NO.

I look at like how children are disciplined. You allow the child learn to play well others over years but immediately or show the child immediate consequence.

If you'd like to continue this discussion let's do it privately because again it does fit the film's topic discussion.

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authorNYSE: "Rich do you really think after 400 plus years of this ideology that it died in '69?"
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Did I say that? I don't believe I did.

If anything, I've been well aware that those who possess the capability to discriminate or their grandparents or parents had this know-how, and if they in turn taught it to their kids, or however we want to believe it works, its been quite obvious the ability to racially discriminate hasn't been dealt with.

In a sense, as those who were bigots were screamed at and booed and shouted down, they then became oppressed. They certainly weren't being cheered on for their right to freedom of speech!

And simply because they couldn't speak the usual racial bigotry, that didn't mean that it no longer existed in their thoughts.

As long as some sectors of this nation had the scapegoat to point fingers at another sector and regard them as more racist, they felt themselves to be in the clear.

In the past twenty years, we have had incidents at Howard Beach, Bensonhurst, Charles and Caroline Stuart shooting, Rodney King, Tawana Brawley and a couple more before I stopped documenting.

None of these happened in the land of cotton.

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What does all of this have to do with my initial statement "The oppressors have not been cured of their God-complex in a mere 40 year period"

You responded to my above statement with a list questions answered by yourself. I did not pose these questions, you initiated them assuming I did or either I was incapable of answering them. So I state another question assuming you didn't get this gist of my initial statement.

If you get what I'm saying by "The oppressors have not been cured of their God-complex in a mere 40 year period" and agree even slightly say so. If you don't say so, otherwise you're on and on about God knows what.

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authorNYSE: "you're on and on about God knows what."
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How odd. I was thinking the same thing about your post before I even opened the notice that you had replied.

Take care.

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aenglert04: "It's such a forbidden topic that people can't even ask question out of curiosity anymore; if someone brings it up, it automatically must be that it's meant to be mean/racist/etc... "
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You'd be surprised at the open dialogue that exists between black persons and what would be construed as white racists.

The funniest I guess I ever saw was a little white redneck fellow who saw a black magazine and the caption on front said "how a black man can sexually please a black woman" and that little fellow took off to show it to a much bigger black co-worker of his in a joking manner.

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I wonder if African Americans felt the movie stereotyped African Americans? I did, but being a mutt ( irish, swiss, american) I don't know or understand. I was offended. It made the African Americans look like "black trash" as some people would say "white trash" when talking about white people. Give me movies like: "Patch of Blue", "Mr. Tibbs", even "Guess Who's Coming to Dinner" and "To Kill a MockingBird"- movies that show what African Americans deal with, without stereotyping them as lazy, stealing, loud- that is what i got from Freedomland.
I hope I have not offend any one.

Atticus Finch: If you just learn a single trick, Scout, you'll get along a lot better with all kinds of folks. You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view... Until you climb inside of his skin and walk around in it.

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I'm not offended by anything you've written but I will add-on.

I felt the residents of the Housing Complex acted appropiately to those conditions. Remember the scene of lady letting Lorenzo (Jackson) know that her mother was having some sort of seizure and the cops would not let her go to the hospital... what the hell? My fam has to die so cops can wait out a confession by locking down a housing commnunity! I'm cussing up a storm just the same. No I will not peacefully sing Kumbaya my Lord! I've never heard of the police locking down Chinatown or Little Italy for crimes within those communities.

Were some residents uncooperative, yes. But family are truely unlikely to give up a fam member for a nickle sack weed charge. Should anyone get in an officers face and argue irrationally, no. Man, but what an irrational situation they're already in. Also I could tell just by the looks on some of the cops faces that some felt remorse for what was about to go down. Just as William Forsythe's character showcased. Those few good cops are just overwhelmed by the bad and basically they simply have a job to do.

But understand too that the Sindey Portier "upstanding black" is also a sterotype. Although I do see Freedomland and To Kill A Mockingbird as similar films, glad you brought it up Enna_1.

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