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Only a death obessed ghoul could enjoy this film. The same people that say The End is their favorite Doors song and Heroin by the Velvet Underground is an afternoon listening delight.

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To quote Barney "There's only one way to handle an interloper, the big freeze".

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There is nothing more pretentious and athetic than someone who thinks their taste in movies makes them more cultured or better at appreciating "art"

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"The same people that say The End is their favorite Doors song and Heroin by the Velvet Underground is an afternoon listening delight."

The End is not my favorite Doors song and Heroin isn't my favorite VU song, but pain and death or major themes in all our lives and does not lessen their artfulness. The Doors (Jim) used death, life, sex, drugs, pain and pleasure heavily in their music and his poetry. And the Velvet Underground uses similar emotions. Even sadomasochism is touched on (the duality of pain and pleasure). Also, with music there is more than just subject matter. There is so much more being taken in than just an idea. Its poetry, every line can be a part of a whole or can be many different, but similar ideas all running into each other. Even the sounds of certain instruments and the resonance of the singer's voice can alter and change what you thought was your only emotional destination.

Now, not to say that songs like The End and Herion are the most upbeat and an easy carefree listening experience, but their content alone does not scare, offend or bring down to the point of grimace. I can still find the beauty in these songs and do not confine them to "downer music".

I guess my nutshell point is that just because the subject matter is weighty and may be considered depressing, sad or disturbing does not mean it's not entertaing and even enjoyable.

This movie was pretty tame in its depressing/death factor anyway. It's way more human and psychological than the death of two sons or even a marriage.

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You actually make a good point. The Velvet Underground and Leonard Cohen do a better job with death and depression than this movie.

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Thank you bhoover247. My reply was not meant as a commentary on the film, but on bhhoover's comment about music.

Sshelly-

What exactly do you disagree with? My comments or bhoover’s? I don’t agree or disagree with the comment that certain bands do a better job than this movie, for it depends on what you are looking for (which I think is one of your points).

As I mentioned before, I didn't comment on the movie as much as I did the outlook or opinion of bhoover and those who believe the same (I quoted the statement in which I am addressing).

I only address the movie with the last sentence of my post and was not comparing or contrasting the ideas and how they are played out and executed. I was not comparing The Doors and Jim's poetry to this movie; I was addressing a pet peeve of mine about weighty subjects and how they are processed by humans. My point here is that everybody has their opinions and just because you happen to think something is depressing thus only a weird, screwed up person can enjoy such things is absurd. (I do believe we agree on this point).

"I personally disagree, I think the film is more realistic because it's not tragi-porn, like you'd typically get with this subject material."

ok, so what is tragi-porn? Tragedies with sex? Or obscenity? Sexual situations under trauma?

How does a film resemble 'reality' because it uses less sex? Not to say more sex is more real, but still.

“I'd much rather have a more centered and grounded viewpoint of a situation. For these characters the world did not completely end or begin with their pain, it is only a part of their lives and human experience. They experience everyday life in its mundaneness, silliness, pleasure, pain, and tragedy. The film certainly felt more earthy than any of Jim Morrison's poetry.”

What makes this movie centered and grounded? Yes, the events are easily seen and the dialouge easy to digest. Yeah mundane is there, work is there, parents are there, death is there, but just because we can see and name it a bit easier does not necessarily mean that what’s going on is just as simple as that. True, its more "grounded" meaning the movie acts like real life, he lives in a house, they have a child, a seperation, a mother leaving, mostly in linear story-telling fashion but that's where the easy, "this stuff happens everyday" trickles off into the realm of complex human emotion that isn't as easily seen, felt or interpreted. The emotions are not end all be alls. In songs this is not as true, but this is an issue with medium and not with content. Songs/poetry are 3-10 minute bursts of emotions, a movie has much more time to convey. I found that this movie had a decent amount of metaphor and exaggeration, while still conveying the details so to speak. His book, “The Door in the Floor" is a prime example of metaphor, but also a source of surrealism and contemplation in the movie. Real things happen, like a picture breaking, sex with a married woman or the end of a marriage, but what we do with those things and what the characters do with those things psychologically is what makes or breaks this, or any other movie for me.

Poetry has basic elements exaggerated to entice and evoke, films aren’t much different. Jim’s poetry might be more up in the clouds, but the feelings and emotions behind them are as real and earthy as the dirt we all call home.

We don’t need things to be mundane to comprehend or identify, it might me easier for some, but what makes life worth living (for me) is to use, transform the mundane into the extraordinary, while still allowing the individual to stay grounded enough to feel real. This is what art is to me.

I am not bashing your opinions, I am simply stating mine.

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I agree. Horrible it is. I have watched 51 minutes of this movie and have made the executive decision to see no more. Tomorrow it gets deleted, thereby freeing up valuable DVR hard drive space for something that I hope is much, much better.

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Be careful iawebster. Sshelly34213 will consider you a Philistine for not liking this film. As for me, I'm sitting back listening to the Velvet Underground's third album. It's the quiet relaxing one where Lou Reed found God or at least thought he did.

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"I agree. Horrible it is. I have watched 51 minutes of this movie and have made the executive decision to see no more. Tomorrow it gets deleted, thereby freeing up valuable DVR hard drive space for something that I hope is much, much better."

That's quite the first-world problem right there.

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This movie is crap and the girl is damn annoying too.

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