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To me this film was totally 'blah'


OK, I really really hated this film which was very disappointing because I love anime and I was expecting it to be great after all the raving reviews it got. But seriously the plot was abysmal. The main character was bland and annoying, the villains were unsympathetic, dull and never really felt threatening and the whole premise was dumb. By that time steam power was doomed anyway, it just made no sense.
The one thing that rescued this animation from being the worst I've ever seen was the animation itself. The backgrounds were beautiful I admit but even so the character design felt almost...tired? I don't know it felt to me as if the animators were bored or something.
For anyone who reguards this film as the second coming of Christ, that's absolutely fine. You're allowed your opinions and I'm allowed mine and if you want to disagree more power to you! I love a good argument, however give me the grace of writing in coherent sentences if you do, there's only so many times you can read "OMG!1! tihs movie was awwesome!!!!11! U f ukin sux u sapaz!!1" before it just makes you tired XD

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I coudn't agree more!!

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Alright. I respect your opinion, but here's what I don't respect. You say that the animators were "bored". Do you have any idea how much effort was put into every aspect of making that movie look like Jesus had a baby with the Mona Lisa? It took them almost 15 years for them to get the animation right! Albeit that the characters look like generic anime characters, but if you're a true anime fan, then you've come to terms with that. Also, to say the main character is bland and annoying is basically saying that you've only heard this movie in English. Being an American voice actor working on a Japanese film is harder than one might think, so even though the voice was annoying, you should give the voice actor credit, because it's hard work that he's doing. Also, "steam power"? Did you even see the movie? He didn't control steam like a lame character on a low-to-no budget SciFi original, he just had a machine that generates steam. In conclusion, OMG!1! tihs movie was awwesome!!!!11! U f ukin sux u sapaz!!1

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I'm sorry but I have to agree. The whole movie was about STEAM for chris' sake! STEAM! Nothing could make that threatening, or thrilling, even the monologues about the power of steam made it even more lame! The artwork was gorgeous though, shame they wasted it on such a dissapointing story, i'm sticking with Akira.

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I think you missed the whole point of this film. It's a marvellous intertextual work of the imagination, combining the wonderful anachronism of steam and Victorian England within a science fiction premise detailing the inability of men to control the power of an awesome (albeit fictional) technology - a genre which some might refer to as steampunk.

Fantastic animation, beautiful artwork, enjoyable visusal recreation Empirical England and very creative interpretations of cutting edge Victorian technology with an added kick. Watching this brings to mind the work of HG Wells and Jules Verne, those 19th Century grandfathers of science fiction and technological conjecture.

Actually, it reminds me of a few years back when I found out they were making a new version of 'War Of The Worlds', and the dismay I felt when they said it was going to be in a modern day American setting (again!)

Though I did actually enjoy that film, I thought it a wasted opportunity to be true to the original book and set it in Wells Victorian England. If anything, it would have been "jolly good fun! what! what!" to have seen the futility of artillery canons, steam ships and men on horseback trying to topple a Martian fighting machine. Not forgetting the Olde English countryside choked with red weed and the destruction of Victorian London etc. And no offence to crane drivers, but it would have made a more interesting and intelligent film to have had the lead character a reporter as in the original story, played by someone like, oh I don't know, Richard Burton? ;) rather than the perpetually stunned looking simpleton Tom Cruise. Anyone got £100m they can lend me so I can make it please?

Anyway, I don't find the story of Steamboy at all lame, and I thought the characters and plot were involving and subtly complex. It's so good to see a film such as this where there is not a definite clear cut exposition of who is good and who is evil and who is right and who is wrong. Nothing is ever as black and white as that, but unfortunately we have Hollywood and America in general to thank for the representational simplification of the way life is and the way people and society works, within the majority of films and other cultural outlets.

I love Akira, have done since I saw it on its first cinema release in the UK, but I'm glad to see something different to 'normal' anime, whilst still retaining the character of anime - a really creative representation of realistic technology gone awry in a historical setting.

Some of the regional English accents were a bit off though ;)

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I really enjoyed this movie, and I get bored easily.

Please tell me you all watched it in Japanese with english subtitles, it's not nearly as good dubbed.

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I wasn't expecting Akira 2. I was just expecting a film with the superior artwork and a a gripping original stroy. I admit it was original but geez there's so much more they could have done....

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I saw it having never seen Akira and still though it was rubbish. I didn't see any subtleties in the plot, or much plot come to that. The character seemed to have no development, I mean why was Scarlet? (and what happened to her poor dog?)
However what really let it down after a really promising start was the lack of research put in. The steam inventions hardly ever appeared so they you could see them as a whole, you just got backgrounds of cogs and pipes without purpose and pretty much all the distruction was the same old random bits falling. An example of the lack of research was the shot near the beginning of steam coming out of the sandpipe on the train (sand come out of the sandpipe!)
Basically the action didn't by any way make up for the lack of characters or plot, the only bits I really liked were the beginning (upto the start of the London scenes) and the frozen explosion at the end.

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agreed, very disappointed with this film. Didn't like the characters, illogical story, overrated.

Last Exile, Howls Moving Castle are much better films in this genre.

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agreed, however I loved the Animation, It is more of something that is on while I work, rather than actually watch. Every so often I will look over to the other screen and be like, "damn,that's cool." then back to work again.

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Yeah. It was... blah.
Like... there wasn't any substance to it.

What is Otomo doing?
He used to make Akira, now he's directing animated commercials for CUP NOODLE (cup noodle! cup noodle!? cup noodle!!) set in a post apocalyptic lunar society. For some reason Nissin's cup noodle survives when earth's society crumbles.

He *used* to have a vision.
I think it's gone.

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I had the feeling that they desperatly tried to make it into an American-styled blockbuster: full-paced action and state-of-the-art animation. On those aspects it does a pretty good job, but it lacks the heart of a real touching movie. The characters are just too generic and dull to care about them, and they could've get so much more out of the idea of a victorian age with steam inventions. Now it just feels like a fun rollercoaster ride. Enjoyable as long as it last, nothing more.

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While this board is fairly tiresome to read between innumerable accent-fiends complaining and boring anti-American comments, the statement that it is made in "blockbuster American style" may not be inaccurate. As an American, I hate to say this, but I just didnt like "Akira" all that much. I should watch it again, but I feel *that* film is overrated. Like "Steamboy" it had some insanely cool visual parts (I regularly think about the motorcycle scene at the beginning and how awesome it is), but I think many people's complaints about this film fit for "Akira."

"Steamboy" impressed me with its fantastic animation, interesting setting, cool technology and surprisingly solid story. Maybe you could say they kept the story to simple ("blockbuster"-style), but compared to Akira, which I could barely comprehend, I appreciated this movie.

Let me end by saying I want to and will see Akira again

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I agree that this film had an "American blockbuster" feel to it but I didn't find the story boring at all and loved the gorgeous detail of the world that was created. I wouldn't say that this film is better that Akira, just different.



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I really liked it. I saw Akira donky's years ago and although impressed at the time cannot recall any of the film now.

I've recently gotten 'into' the whole 'Steampunk' genre and this is probably the best example of that genre I have seen so far.
I loved the animation, especially the CGI backgrounds and buildings..the inventivness of the steam powered hardware ("We call them 'Steam-Troopers'"...genius!)and the amazing detail of the wide angle shots of Victorian London.
I watched the dubbed English version (Patrick Stewart and Alfred Molina supplying the voices for the two main scientists...so no accent problems there!)however Ray's voice sounded a bit too feminine at times (not surprisingly as he was voiced by Anna Paquin). Scarlett was simply annoying.

But overall a very enjoyable piece of anime in a genre not often seen ( I agree with the earlier posted who was disapointed that the remake of War of the Worlds was set in contemporary American instean of Victorian England)

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Story felt thin. I never really cared much for the characters. Nothing interesting happened basically. It was a big let down to me, I'm sure you'll all tell me I didn't understand it and all that and of course if I didn't love it like you fans who has the "correct" opinion I must have misunderstood the entire premise. Love anime just not this one.
Oh and I did not watch the dub, I never watch dubs, can't stand em.

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'the villains were unsympathetic'

I thought that was the entire point of being a villain?

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No! Really I think a good villain HAS to be sympathetic! You have to know why they are so bitter and twisted and evil, or at least have a reason to sympathise with them and still hate and fear them. Think how frail and pathetic Darth Vader looks after he tells Luke he is his father... STILL an ace villain though! That's why I think Heath Ledger's Joker fails (personal opinion not shared by many) - you never get the chance to sympathise. You don't know why he's the way he is, nor does he ever show any weakness.

Anyway, back to topic!

I wanted to like this film SO much. I love the Steampunk genre and knowing how good the animation on Akira was I thought this would be a lush Steampunk adventure akin to Ghibli's Castle in the Sky.

However, where that film had heart, this one had cogs and steam.
Yes, it was beautifully animate and had some lovely ideas in it. The central concept of a power source that never was, and yet is so powerful it corrupts all manner of men and turns family upon itself is fascinating. It's something that I would expect to see in a futuristic sci-fi with some kind of newly discovered power. Setting it in a steam age where the power source is a new way of harnessing steam is, for me, the single best thing about this film. It's a nice twist.
My main problem with it is bland characters with nothing to make you feel the ties between them. The film tries to get us to sympathise with James' plight when he makes revelations about both his father and grandfather, without EVER having shown us any kind of previous relationship between himself and them. We are asked to assume that there is an emotional tie between a boy and a father and grandfather who have been absent for an undivulged amount of time.
The film asks us to feel betrayal from both the father and the grandfather towards the other, without ever having shown us that they ever did anything but hate each other. It is hard to empathise with this betrayal from two people who we have only seen mistrust each other from the outset.
The film asks us to feel James' angst when Scarlett is in peril, without ever having shown us he has any kind of emotional tie to her (and quite rightly so in my opinion for she is rude, abrasive and irriating throughout the whole movie. Why the film then expects us to want James to save her is beyond me!)

This film is actually quite cold and mean-spirited. Rarely do we see any character in it act out of anything other than their own interests. Rarely does anyone help anyone else. The characters are selfish and single-minded. I'm normally not so cynical, but maybe this is truer to life than most films. Maybe in such extraordinary circumstances, people would be so selfish. But as a piece of cinematic entertainment, it leaves me cold.

What I DID enjoy was that the film didn't clearly outline who was "good" and who was "evil". There was a point, round about where James first meets his grandfather in the castle and stops trying to hinder him, that I almost kicked myself. It was about there that I had a revelation that the film wasn't going to tell me who to root for and I was disappointed in myself for being annoyed with the film up to that point for not making it clear who were the "goodies". Such is how used to being force fed emotion and morals by films. At that point, I was pleased that the film left it up to both James, and the viewer to decide who was "right". Yes, James makes his choice, and as the viewer we are then more likely to side with him, but at the point I described in the film it was very much up in the air and I liked that.

Unfortunately I watched the dubbed version. Though, being set in England with English characters, maybe, for one, this was more authentic. I bought my DVD, put it in the player, went to find the language options only to discover it was an English only DVD. Yes - some of the accents were ropey to say the least, but not to the point of distraction. I'm a Midlander but I know what a broad Mancunian accent sounds like. With Patrick Stewart being from Huddersfield, not far from Manchester, I though he might've gotten the accent closest, but he seemed a little too generic northern pushing towards Lancaster. Though that is a minor quibble. And hey - maybe the granddad moved to Manchester from Yorkshire?

Lastly - my final major quibble with the film is that by the end of it, I was left with a "so what?" feeling. Has this experience changed James in any way? Or the balance of international power? From the closing credits, I think James went on to develop a super steam train and maybe become a superhero who fought in something like WWI, brought forward maybe due to the steamball? I don't know. The film didn't focus at all on how this monumental experience of being kidnapped and, whilst aboard a pioneering and potentially world-altering piece of technology being actively and aerially embroiled in an explosive international battle for power on which two of his close family members are very active on opposite sides has affected young Master Steam and as such, I find the film again rings hollow.

I don't just come on IMDb just to knock films. I come on to comment when something about a film is notable enough to me to comment on, good or bad. And the hype surrounding this film coupled with a certain amount of disappointment was one thing. Also, it is rare that whilst watching a film, I notice a lack of emotional connection at the time of watching. If that lack is there, it's normally afterwards that I noice so I thought this was notable.

Technically, a very proficient film.
Emotionally, lacking.

Where this film's heart should have been, there's just cogs and steam.


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I agree. It started off good and then as it progressed it just descended into nonstop explosions, fighting and people running around like headless chickens throughout the rest of the film. And oh god, the monologuing!

The animation was beautiful though, lovely backgrounds and portrayal of Victorian Britain.

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A fun film ruined by industrial strength moralising.

Forget the fact of the victorian setting and the use of steam - view the wonderous steam ball as the potential of nuclear power and the effects it could or did have. The film just uses the steam age as an allegory.

The Japanese are still searching their souls 60+ years after Hiroshima

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