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Great Job..by kicking Aishwarya from movie


Then it would have been just regular sucky loooking Indian movie which these days are all about looks. I think the reason they kicked aishwarya rai was becasue she dont even look like normal Indian girl. I like the way they Chose girl from Lagaan who actully looks little like Indian woman.

PS aishwarya rai just have looks...but when it comes to acting she is one of of the Poorest in World. She will never make big in Hollywood, cause When it comes to Movies...Hollywood wants GREAT acting not just Looks.

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Well maybe they did a good job by removing Aishwarya Rai, however they certainly undermined that by putting in Amisha Patel. She has neither looks nor talent. Atleast with Ash you have something worth watching.

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Catakiosk, its a bit difficult if you just say the two films which pretty much everyone agrees are her best performances are being discounted like that. How can you say Madhuri has on talent. Ok, you didn't but it was implied by the way you talked about Devdas.

Agreed, thank goodness for Rani. She is really the true starm well true female star anyway, of Indian cinema. All of her recent films I have loved her in. And Black is without a doubt the cherry on top.

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I honestly believe that Aishwarya has very little acting talent. And Devdas was a largely forgettable affair and I completely stand by it. Thanks for reminding me about Madhuri. She truly was the only bright spot in that vacuuous hole.

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well aishwarya doesnt have little acting talents, she has none! and Madhuri's boring!

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I actually think Amrita is much better actress than Aishwarya and she may not be better looking but shes definatley got looks.

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Thank you for voicing this. I am sick of the Aishwarya fad among the guys of India (yes, I am a guy, and I'm Hetero). This girl has no substance, and is more deserving of sitting in a Victorian doll house than being an actress. And while I think she's pretty, let's face it: if she didn't have the big green eyes, she'd be nothing.

Yes, rani2500, you are right; though looks are fine, Hollywood could care less because the most popular actresses need to both act and look good. Julia Roberts (whose looks are overrated), Cameron Diaz, Charlize Theron, and (at one time) Anjelina Jolie all can act decently while looking pretty. Aishwarya can't pull it off. Only one person I know in Hollywood who can't act but looks good--Keanu Reeves; and that's because 1) he's a guy and 2) his movies prove he can bring money. I don't see Ash pulling this off.

Now maybe Sushmita Sen or Lara Dutta...

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how did people already vote for this movie?? it hasnt released

Well i gave it 9 out 10 just because of what this movie is going to be about. I have not seen this movie and i can tell you that it will be 1000 times better than what our Bollywood releases every week..crap and crap.

at least in one song actors wont be going from paris to New York and from London to LA. It least its songs and dances and music will make some sense.

I guess thats why it got great rating all ready.

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I'm sorry, but that's just bloody dumb. BUT, since this is an Aamir Khan movie, good on you! :-)

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i luv the girl chosen for lagaan aswell. she wasn't 'too much' and actually looked brown.

I think aishwarya breaking ties w/ aamir khan was a biiiiig mistake though. (apparently aamir was really annoyed and doesnt care much for her in his movies anymore) he's actually done quality movies that have made it to hollywood, so to have them linked professionally probably would have helped her here in america. but in all honesty, i think she was getting a bit greedy and swell-headed by demanding more $$ than originally anticipated. if ur supporting idian cinima, what does $$ have to do with it. so i hope he doesnt give in and create ties again, cuz he can excel here without her.

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I really think that rani2500 is a loser in life!!! That's coz she cannot stand the fact that Ash got the role in Rising ! Ash is not only talented and beautiful, but she is also a nice human being; someone who is not going to stand the tantrums of Aamir. Aamir not only acts but indirectly directs his films, and Ash is not going to take his crap. See Ash's performance in Raincoat ( where she looked like an ordinary housewife ), Choker Bali, Shabd and Devdas. Then you will realise that you do not know anything about acting, looking beautiful or being a nice human being ! Just because Ash looks beautiful, it does not mean that you have to envy her always. And by the way, Ash does not work for chaarity, so even if she does charge more money for the roles that she does there is no harm. She delivers so much more than all the other actresses. To be honest, Rani Mukherjee is not as beautiful as Ash and neither talented. She has worked hard, looks the part she plays but she is still learning. Rising will be bereft of a wonderful actress.

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Ash is a Barbie Doll ..people only wanna look at her not see her act.

FACE THAT FACT, SHe is the worst actress in the WORLD (I mean WORLD). I think she should not even be called Actress. Its shame for word Actress.

AND I think Rupam is a Lonely guy who cant find a chick and looks at Aishwarya Rai's pictures that he had put all over his room and enjoy his life doing that.

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well for something to be a fact, it has o be universally agreed by everyone in the world, and I disagree with you rani2500, and so do alot of other people, so unfortuneately for you, its only an opinion, your opinion.

Ash is still alot more popular than Ash, deal with it.

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ahh. rupam2004 ''...Rani is not as beautiful as Ash and neither talented.''
Where r u living man?On Mars or something.I mean I had a real laugh when I read this statement of urs.Any sane person can see that Rani is a FAR FAR better actress than Ash.Rani is without a doubt the best actress out there right now ( i mean have u heard of a movie called Black, her performance was phenomenal in it ).And for u to say that Ash is better!!!Sheesh!!!And that Rani is not as beautiful as Ash??!!Rani is the epitome of a traditional Indian beauty( i am not saying Ash is ugly or something ).Next time plzz know the difference b/w what a true actress is and someone who has fame primarily on her looks before posting messages like this!

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Maybe you think that ash is the best but there are many people who finds here a loser and also ugly. Ash is not pretty at all ( she is not ugly but neither pretty)she is only famous because she is on television, but you have people who are much prettier, even without make-up only not all people are on television. Ash has a misvormed nose and very weird eyes if you look good at them you can see that there is something wrong with it, her eyes looks like frog eyes. Sometimes people only look at the make-up and clothes but if she would not wear make-up and woul wear a simple outfit and not do anything with here hair, then i am sure that the people who think that she is pretty would not even look at here twice and here eyes are ugly even if they are light it does not mean that it is pretty and she is not the only one in this world who has light eyes, there are many more people who have prettier eyes then she have, because they are only light but they are not speaking something there is no power or chemistry in it, there are so many people with dark eyes who looks like mistyrious and have power in it. So people do not overreact because she is not the only person in this world, because the world is so big and the peoples who are saying that she is the prettiest one, actually can not even say that because they have not seen everybody from this world, so speak for yourselves when the ones that who are saying that she is pretty and do not act like everybody think she is, because ther is a difference in finding someone pretty and in beiing pretty. Ther are so many things missing too say that she is complete pretty. like she is not cute and Rani is and rani has naughty eyes in a sweet way and they look so warm and ash looks old for her age, you have peolple who are older than here have kids in still have babyfaces and ash has not a babyface and it is more fun too look at someone who is cute or have a babyface, with ash you will get boring looking at here. There is a very big differenc in beiing pretty and prettyyyyyy. There are so many people in the world who find ash ugly because they have seen better in real live and she has only won the miss titel because not all people that are really pretty where in this show, if all pretty people from whole the world have been in the show she would not have a chance because she only won cause she was the pretty one compare too the ugly ones , but she is not pretty herselve compare too people who are pretty and ther are so many as look alikes too so she is not unique and even if ther were not people looking like her she still would be not unique because she is boring, she has nothing cute and its much better too look at someone that is cute even when they would be old than they would still have something too look at and with ash you dont have that and for someone who has no childeren and who have not money problems she look old for her age, you have people who are older than here, have childeren and problems does not have so many support because they are not famous and not wear make-up but still looks younger than here, so before too call someone pretty you should look at many factors before saying it. Jennifer lopez is older than her but still has a babyface and so there are many more other peoples.

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your post would be a whole lot easier and more tempting to read if you broke it into paragraphs.

Sorry for nitpicking, but I am of the extremely lazy sort.

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its ok that you are nitpicking because i think you do not mean it in a wrong way. And yes it would be easier if i would broke it but i do not know how to do that because i am from holland and my english is ok but not very well and i am lazy too.

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sweetface_b1tchface is in LOVE with Ash and blinded with ASH LOVE and oh...anybody who is in LOVE with Ash has Mental Problems and has NO LIFE and IS a Looser and oh...BIG LOOSER

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Most of you fanatics behave as if Aish is too perfect and no one has any right to say their opinion about her if it`s negative.


You finally understood....


There are 3 kinds of people: those who can count and those who can't

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First of all, I do not think it's wise to rip on Rani2500 personally because quite frankly, you don't seem to know her personally. Second, don't succumb to the "nice human being" argument; Jimmy Carter is a "nice human being", but was a worthless president. Third, I saw Devdas, and once again, I didn't see anything new with her acting (same "lost little girl" role until the end). If you want great, look at Rekha--beautiful woman, excellent actress, and intelligent. Plus, she has much more sex appeal than Aishwarya ever will (could you ever see Ash playing Rekha's roles in "Utsav" or "Silsila"? Young indian guys all over would die!). If anyone, I'll take Sushmita Sen anyday over Ash. She's more versatile, more beautiful, and has a brain.

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^^ great post
just to add to padiyark's civilized response, ash is pretty, no doubt about it. But, what is it that made her so famous- her acting or her looks? She is an average actress, nothing great. Sure, some of the movies she makes are enjoyable but I don't see anything special in her acting. In Devdas, IMHO, Madhuri stole the show. Oh yea, Sushimita Sen is a really good actress (her work in Samay is phenomenal).

"The greatest thing you'll ever learn.. is to love.. and be loved in return"

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um....i agree with the stuff bout aish being a good actress and all but um...Rani is much better acting wise although she may not look as beautiful as aish she is still one of the most beautiful actresses in Bollywood.

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oh and by the way i think you guyz should keep in mind her growth as an actor from her first film to her more recent films. she has definately grown as an actor and i think that people should appreciate that fact. i mean how many models turn out to be good actors? and by the way i hate kareena kapoor too but you cant say that she is bad at acting after you have seen Chameli. everyone should watch it!

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i meant aish but works for rani as well...

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rani 2500 is no loser. Aishwarya is though! Rani is way more talented and more beautiful than that Aishwarya bimbo

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I personally think that its a good thing that we've got rani to watch in the rising instead of ash. I feel that Rani has got a lot better acting skills than ash. Rani's more versatile which has been proved in the films like Black, yuva, veer zaara, saathiya and a lot more.
As far as beauty is concerned, no doubt Ash is beautiful but now we have seen so much of her ( in films, adds, news , affairs etc) that i am actually tired of her and sometimes even get irritated.
Rani is beautiful as well and she has got a pinch of cutness in her which adds up to her beauty.
All in all, well done 'The Rising team' by picking Rani.

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sweetface_chanel, my reply was to sweetaquariaz, when she wrote:

"Most of you fanatics behave as if Aish is too perfect and no one has any right to say their opinion about her if it`s negative"

I was only joking though.

Some of you seem to think this was a case of Ash OR Rani, but Rani was always in this film. Somehow I dont think even Ash-haters can deny that the producers really screwed up - not by removing Ash, but by replacing her with Amisha Patel.

Rani and Ash were meant to be doing this film together, not one or the other.

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Yeah, Abhinav's right.....Rani already had the role of Heera the prostitute when the film was announced. And Ash was supposed to play the character Jwala, which went to Amisha Patel eventually. So Amisha replaced Ash......Rani was a part of the film at the very start. Yeah, Amisha is nowhere close to Ash, thats a really screwed-up decision on part of The Rising team.

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direcotrguy, forgive me for coming across as demanding, but I demand to know where and when you saw Mistress of Spices!

Thank you.

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direcotrguy, forgive me for coming across as demanding, but I demand to know where and when you saw Mistress of Spices!

Thank you.

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Ok to show that Aish is NOT ALL THAT. First of all did you see the girls that were in MISS UNIVERSE? When Aish was there? My god even my grandma would have won it with their IQs and stupid answers. 2) Raincoat, Choker Bali, Are you kidding me? Did you see her act in Khakee. She cant even whine properly. Makes you wanna close your eyes. What about her acting in Raincoat. Got so bad that people actually got bored.

Why does Aishwariya have fame? Thanks to others
She has never and can never stand and make afilm hit on her own. She always needs someone to do her job. Bachan family, Shah Rukh. Even in all the Magazines its written that Aishwariya has very many problems. And as for Aish going to Hollywood. its all Rumors. SHE wanted and also be a part of 007 but hollywood said no after looking at her screenings. People talk about Aish as if she can act. No she cant. Raincoat, Devdas werent viewed because of her. Maybe some guys went because Aish might be wearing something sexy. Devdas was stolen by Shah Rukh and Madhuri. Now your thinking: Aish got the best actress. Madhuri should have but Paro`s role was main and Chandramukhi was side. And at that time no other good movies were out.

So in conclusion No Aish is not a good actor. She needs alot of improvement the only things she is good at are Looks and Dancing


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Okay, well Priyanka Chopra is several, several times worse. When she won Miss World, she won despite the following:

Which LIVING person do you most admire?

- Mother Teresa. (very intelligent, considering she had been dead for 4 years)

Somehow I can't be alone in thinking this was a major stinker of a year, if the judges were willing to let that slide through.

You haven't actually given any reason not to like her performances in Raincoat or Khakee, apart from, 'are you kdding me?'

uhh...yes?

Everyone has fame thanks to others. People are very delusional if they think they have actually earned it on thier own.

Sure. Preity, Rani (both of whom I like), Kareena (who I don't), and the rest have all been hugely successful without SRK, Aamir Khan, CHopras or Johars. Not. I think someone needs a reality check. Indian cinema is way too male-orientated for any fgemale dominated film to do well. Its a very sad fact. Kareena is still waiting to have a solo hit. You would think she might have done so after 5 years!

As far as Ash going to Hollywood, sure, its all rumours, conspiracy theories. She didn't actually do Bride and Prejudice, isn't doing Mistress of Spices, Provoked, the Last Legion (with Ben Kingsley), Chaos (with Meryl Streep) or SIngularity (with Brendan Fraser). She didn't turn down the 007 role. It's all a big conspiracy, and people are willing to waste thousands and millions of dollars to try to make YOU believe she is going to Hollywood. But you sure are smarter than that.

People are all wrong. I mean Ash can't act. You said so yourself, oh mighty lord of the universe. they are all wrong, and you are right.
And you know exactly why millions of people went to see films with her in it don't you? I mean you read everyone's mind and time after time came up with the same answer, that it was in the hope that she would wear something sexy.

(moving out of sarcastic mode for a second) If you actually think any Indian film awards are transparent, honest, reward the best, and deserve to be taken seriously, you are sadly mistaken.

So in conclusion, I would say you need to come out of your distorted reality and back into the real world.

At this point, I would like to apologise for the cynicism in my post. I'm normally more diplomatic, and nicer, but I am rather grouchy right now and this is sort of out of character for me. Oh well, I'm too lazy to go back and change it.

Take your blah blah to the blah-blah-ologist

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I think that Aishwarya Rai is both pretty and talented. And I don't know what you're talking about when you saw Hollywood is looking for great acting...look at some of the horrible actors they put in their movies! For instance- Hilary Duff- she doesn't have much going for her; she can't sing, can't act, and isn't great looking but her career is blossoming. I think that Aishwarya is talented and has the whole package, which people resent. Just let it go.

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Just wanted to put my 2 cents worth in.

Firstly, we are trying to compare two different beauties. Ash and Rani are amazingly looking in their own individual ways. One is extremely fair with blue/green eyes that will allow her to be a part of Hollywood, coz lets face it, theres not that much scope for South Asian women to act over there....and the other is dark with brown eyes who I think epitomises REAL Indian women. In India, there are not that many fair skinned girls with blue eyes walking around.

Secondly, like the looks issue, you CANNOT compare their acting. Most probably because Ash isnt really that good an actress. Someone mentioned in their post earlier on, that she deserves to be in a dollhouse...so true. Amazing to look at, she's a brilliant dancer.....but acting...no. I mean come on, Bride and Prejudice, what the hell was that? It just seemed she was reading out loud her script....rather than actually acting.....whereas Rani has been getting better and better with each film she does. Hands down, Black has to be one of the most amazing films to come out of Bollywood...

And I think its slightly a bore if you have Ash Rai in everuy picture...ruining the film.

FEAR stands for F cuk Everything And Run

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i agree they done the right thing kicking ashwariya out of this film
amisha is better

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