so this is a 'bad' film but...


don't you think that india should have entered this into the oscars for best foreign film category? i mean paheli? that was one bad movie, less deserving to be entered to the oscars. so the rising isn't the best bollywood film ever. to some this is a piece of crap. whatever i can respect your opinions but that's not the point. can't you agree that out of all the movies bollywood had, and 2005 wasn't a great year for hindi movies either, that the rising would have been reasonable, especially to foreign audiences? lagaan was the best choice for india back then because it doesn't just appeal to indians. i mean they're definitely not gonna want to see some typical hindi movie, because let's face it, they're not exactly masterpieces. but what other movie could india have possibly entered? if only rang de basanti came out earlier. hopefully they enter that, unless another revolutionary film comes out.

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I totally agree with you (rytz429)... I personally loved this movie eventhough many people didn't.... I also believe that this is a movie that foriegn audiences would apreciate more than the Indian audience in general... Yes, this should have been India's entry for the oscars.... The next choice would have been swades, but the movie was a little to slow and it it kep on dragging.... (My ratings for both movie were 8 stars)

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Paheli was a bad choice. Mangal Pandey would have been a better choice. It got glowing reviews from foreign critics, and had all the clasisc Hollywood epic ingredients.
Still wouldnt have been the best choice, but alot better than Paheli. I think.

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I second the sentiment. As a matter of fact, I would characterize The Rising as just the sort of film the Academy loves... sweeping epic with a message. If only Dry White Season had been half as good as Mangal Pandey (which certainly made it to the Academy Awards). I also agree The Rising may very well play better to western audiences than eastern. Between so much of the west being founded in revolt and the striking Christian alegories in this picture, there's plenty for a western audience to identify with. Further, westerners wouldn't get bogged down in the historical accuracy debate... it's a great story and it stands on it's own. It's beyond me why the producers never seriously released it in the US market.

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if this movie would have been sent it would have gotten nominated. It's as simple as that. All the international reviews were more then positive for it and many people really enjoyed it. the movie is highly underrated.

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Mangal Pandey was indeed better than Paheli, but don't you'll think Black deserved to go to the Oscars more?

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Goodness no. IMO Black is the single most overrated film I have seen. Pretentious, messy, superficial, poorly written (like the poor development of the twist with Amitabh's character) and its plagiarised. The fact that it was about hellen keller is not the issue. Making a biopic is fine. Its the fact that SLB took some parts of The Mircale Worker scene for scene, shot for shot.

On a more technical standpoint and nothing to do with opinions, I doubt Black would have been accpeted as a subission for Best Foreign Language Film, as its about 70% in English.

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Paheli is probably the best film made last year!! Mangal Pandey was a major disappointment, i m no SHahrukh fan, but you guys defo feel like Aamir's fans thts y ur suggesting this!

Paehli was a master piece!!!

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Now dont get me wrong, i liked "Paheli," but masterpiece? It was a good movie and i really enjoyed it, but there's no way it would have been nominated considering the other great films to come out of different countries last year.

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I agree. I liked most of Paheli. The middle portion, between the first and the last 20 minutes were excellent. But the beginning and end are probably the most important of any film. It had a weak beginning which just simply doesnt grab you at all, and a weak ending which personally left me rather unsatisfied with the film.

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Anyone who thinks Paheli is better than The Rising, is wrong, hands dowN. Getting nominated for the OSCARS. how crap is that. Mangal Panday deserved the Oscar, if not win it, then atleast get nominated.

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Paheli was good...Mangal Panday was a mess. Toby Stephens and Aamir Khan were the only saving grace.

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I just saw The Rising and I want to tell everyone from this thread that for an European viewer , which I am , the film was enjoyable . Indeed it has some cheesy things and many of you disapproved the historical unaccuracies in the film , but despite this the story is interesting and with good humour sometimes : that outcast with a broom is a very important character !
For those who think that Bollywood means only movies with loong , pointless singing / dancing episodes this film is a nice surprise and proves that the Indians know good cinema . And I think that the rest of the world should find this more often .
At this time , among my all-time favourite movies , there are some films from two Indian directors : Mira Nair ( Monsoon Wedding and Vanity Fair )and Shekhar Kapur - Elizabeth from 1998 . I just found that a second " Elizabeth " with Cate Blanchett , Geoffrey Rush and Clive Owen ( wow ) is being made by Mr . Kapur . I can hardly wait for the film to be released .

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I am glad that this European viewer liked the film.In India Mangal Pandey is one seriously underrated film.As you wrote, dori,that outcast with the broom is a very impt character;also funny and significant.It's really sad when a good film gets less than it deserves.Yes,the director has taken cinematic lisence and twisted history dates around for the sake of drama.But this is historical drama,similar to a historical novel;it's not real history.All that hard work goes to waste simply because some critics and viewers were looking for another Lagaan.A few sensitive Indian reviewers gave the film decent reviews,but most were unnecessarily harsh.The film had its faults[a less than tight screenplay ,certain characters like Emily underdeveloped] but on the whole I and my family and friends loved it.And not just because we are Aamir fans.
I remember reading British critic Mike Marqusee's review-I've kept it,found it:"'The Rising' easily holds its own against the historical epics produced by Hollywood in recent years.It's a better film than 'Braveheart' to which it's been compared in the British media;subtler and far more credible.And although lumbering at times,it's light-footed compared to Troy".
You can read more at www.mikemarqusee.com.The article appeared in 3rd week of August 2005 under title'Low level Rising'
The reason I wrote about this film after all these days was the realization that it was a good film after all and I had been unnecessarily apologetic about liking it.I watched the dvd a couple of days back and enjoyed it again.It is a 2dvd pack,quite a bargain.One dvd has the movie,2nd has the making,deleted scenes,music release,premiere,etc.It shows Aamir cutting a birthday cake with his sword!

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majority of indian people like song- stuffed and very cheesy romantic stories. So that's why paheli got nominated and the rising didn't.

if u see at lagaan, all the indian awards were given to this movie only when it was nominated at oscar. if it didnt get nominated in oscar i'm sure one of srk's movie will win, which i honestly find it unfair.

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You lost me at 'bad film'. But I agree with your assertion that it should have been submitted as an official entry from India for the AA.

This is one of the best historical dramas I have ever seen told from an Indian point of view. And, it is superbly accurate to history (trust me, I know what I am talking about).

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